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Old 12-04-2014, 03:56 PM   #1
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Question of the Week: Who has grabbed Vince's brass ring?
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During the Stone Cold podcast, Vince McMahon said that no one has grabbed the brass ring since John Cena. Who do you think has grabbed that ring, but was not recognized for it? Why?

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Old 12-04-2014, 04:30 PM   #2
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Nobody has grabbed the Brass Ring, not for want of trying, but because it gets snatched away from them for one reason or another.

Ziggler was close. Cesaro was close. They positioned Ryback pretty well then dropped the ball. Ryder gave himself a shot at it before being quickly shunted back to obscurity.

Daniel Bryan is probably the closest thing. He was the hottest act in the company for a long time, then the injury.

I'd argue that WWE have failed in "making" stars for years; even the ones that got there were by fortuitous circumstances.

Cena is "The Guy" but hated by 50% of the audience because he's been shoved down people's throats.
Orton is right at the top now, but their first attempt with him tanked.
Batista was sky-rocketed because they screwed up Orton.

Even Austin - who pushed the company to new heights - got a push through luck. They gave him a shitty gimmick, he won the KOTR because the scheduled winner was shit-canned, he ad-libbed a now classic line...then nothing. There wasn't a long-term plan to push Austin, there wasn't a rocket strapped to him, he beat Mero in mid-card match at the following PPV, then beat Yokozuna in a match on the Free For All before SummerSlam, wasn't booked on the following IYH, etc. Austin's push - in fact, the entire Attitude Era - was a result of desperation. WWF/E was a kids show before WCW started turning the screw, they changed because they had to, then after the demise of WCW they went back to being a kids show. That's what Vince wants.

I don't think anybody will grab the "Brass Ring" until something drastic makes Vince change his mindset/take a gamble. Maybe a downward trend in the Network numbers?
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Old 12-04-2014, 05:23 PM   #3
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Off topic, but I watched the 2003 Rumble where Cena was barely getting into his rapper shtick, and JR worked his ass putting him over. He never grabbed anything. It was given to him and it was obvious from the outset.
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Old 12-04-2014, 05:34 PM   #4
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Nobody. Cena is a franchise player. There has yet to be another one.
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Old 12-04-2014, 05:42 PM   #5
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Even Austin - who pushed the company to new heights - got a push through luck. They gave him a shitty gimmick, he won the KOTR because the scheduled winner was shit-canned, he ad-libbed a now classic line...then nothing. There wasn't a long-term plan to push Austin, there wasn't a rocket strapped to him, he beat Mero in mid-card match at the following PPV, then beat Yokozuna in a match on the Free For All before SummerSlam, wasn't booked on the following IYH, etc. Austin's push - in fact, the entire Attitude Era - was a result of desperation. WWF/E was a kids show before WCW started turning the screw, they changed because they had to, then after the demise of WCW they went back to being a kids show. That's what Vince wants.
there was a definite shift when it came to Austin after KOTR/the promo, he just had to tread water for a few months whilst it initially got over with Vince and then waiting for Bret to get back. The IYH that you mention he wasn't booked on he cut a promo in the ring with Pillman planting the seeds for his run with Bret ("put the letter S in front of the word Hitman and you got my exact opinion of Bret Hart") Austin's entire push was handed pretty spot on, it was clear from late 96/early 97 that he was destined for big big things. If that was the case today, people would be screaming had he not won the title by Survivor Series that first year.
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Old 12-04-2014, 05:48 PM   #6
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as for the question, depends on the definition of brass ring I guess. I think anybody that has put themselves in a position to be financially set for life, to constantly work with top guys/be in marquee matches, to be able to speak up and not be punished and so forth. I'd say you could make pretty strong cases for Batista, Orton and Punk as guys that have accomplished these things.
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Off topic, but I watched the 2003 Rumble where Cena was barely getting into his rapper shtick, and JR worked his ass putting him over. He never grabbed anything. It was given to him and it was obvious from the outset.
don't be daft, I've also heard JR work his ass off putting Brakus, Rodney Mack, Mark Jindrak, Scott Putski and Ezekial Jackson over. That's what he was paid for.
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Old 12-04-2014, 06:40 PM   #8
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Nobody. Cena is a franchise player. There has yet to be another one.
This.

There are a handful of guys on the roster right now who have what it takes talent/look-wise to be a franchise player but they've been a victim of shoddy booking and probably don't wanna take things in their own hands and piss of management.
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Old 12-04-2014, 06:43 PM   #9
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I'd argue Bryan but that's more of the fans finding where Vince hid the ring and tossing it to Bryan. He was steadily gaining momentum ever since the 18 seconds incident and skyrocketing with the Team Hell No stuff but it wasn't until the fans openly rebelled that the WWE started to truly care.
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Old 12-04-2014, 07:17 PM   #10
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:15 PM   #11
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Noone has since Cena, but am starting to think that Rollins and Ambrose might both do it.

Rollins looks like such a natural as the top heel, in such a short period of time. His reactions and mic work are improving all the time, he has a unique look, and he is exciting in the ring. He also seems to have confidence in his own ability. You need almost an arrogance to get to the top and stay there.

I've just read that Ambrose had the biggest selling item on WWEShop over the 5 day sale, and he has the undertones of someone who would speak up and talk back if he needed to. His character is shades of Austin/Pillman, and you just think that he is someone who could catch fire and then be a big enough boy to grab hold of the brass ring and fight to keep his hand on it.
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:19 PM   #12
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I don't see how Vince expects a touchdown when he keeps moving the posts

I wanna say Dolph is getting there but Vince has the most ridiculous whims so who knows one bad reception and in Vince's mind you lack star power so down the card you go.

I mean you cut the legs out from under Cesaro then somehow it's his fault the fans stopped caring that is insane logic same with Kofi once upon a time.

Then Vince insists it's up to the fans Ziggler has been over as hell for a while but is only now gaining upward momentum.

Hell even Ryback seemed like he was gonna be big but then nothing came of it. The fact that no one has been able to grab that ring seems to be the fault of management no the talent who are clearly busting their asses

The Divas wrestling love of my life Alicia was finally finally getting over then outta nowhere you strip her of character and relegate her to the background again so yea is it really a wonder when certain wrestlers get no reaction after youve robbed the crowd of any chance to even care about them?
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Old 12-05-2014, 02:22 AM   #14
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There is no brass ring.

You have several thousand wrestlers trying to make it to the upper echelon of the industry with MAYBE 100 people making it, and an even fewer number of people staying there. If you've fought, kicked, and screamed your way uphill to that level of maybe 100 people, you've got it. You've impressed enough people to have the bosses say "Let's allow you to preform in front of millions of people."

The problem isn't with the wrestlers. It's with the booking. There is no reason why no random person on that roster shouldn't be good enough to hold the IC/US title. Now it'll be all too easy to play arm chair booker and spew out assorted platitudes, but all of you know this jazz.
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Old 12-05-2014, 08:13 AM   #17
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:29 AM   #19
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Who has grabbed Vince's brass ring? Hogan, Austin, Rock, and Cena. But in each case it was pretty much because Vince had no choice but to let somebody grab it.

Cena isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and thus even though there have been plenty of guys who could have been "top level guys", Vince won't give them the chance until he has to. They can grab for it all they want, but at the end of the day it is Vince who decides whose hands it resides in, and it resides in Cena's and that won't change.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:00 PM   #21
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I think there's some confusion over the definition of brass ring.

As far as I'm concerned, it means using the fullest of your abilities in your quest to attain the highest possible goal. Having it snatched away does not mean it was not grabbed.

It does not mean "was allowed to become the guy".
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But surely the fact that "noone has done it since Cena", in McMahon's own words, means that the person became a top guy, if not the top guy.

In his eyes, that obviously means take all the initiative and force them to make you the top guy. We can disagree, but he obviously sees people like Austin and Cena as having worked on their own to make it impossible for the company to not make them top guys. Hence, grabbing the ring, with their own hands, not having it handed to them.

It is hard to know why so many others have not been "met in the middle" through this arrangement, but McMahon obviously, and frustratingly, sees them as having failed in some way.
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Old 12-06-2014, 02:58 PM   #23
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Cena was the last, but only because grabbing said ring is virtually impossible when management is the way it is. Vince always seems to want guys to stand up for themselves to show they want it, but then when they do he fucking buries them for it. He's a hypocrite who's out of touch with the business plain and simple.
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The way management is structured nobody's grabbing anything unless Vince wants them to. If CM Punk threatening to quit, becoming the hottest superstar in 2011, selling piles of merch and having great matches isn't enough to grab the brass ring, I can't imagine what would be enough
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Old 12-07-2014, 02:46 AM   #25
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Off topic, but I watched the 2003 Rumble where Cena was barely getting into his rapper shtick, and JR worked his ass putting him over. He never grabbed anything. It was given to him and it was obvious from the outset.
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don't be daft, I've also heard JR work his ass off putting Brakus, Rodney Mack, Mark Jindrak, Scott Putski and Ezekial Jackson over. That's what he was paid for.
Exactly.

That's actually another problem with newer stars not getting over- they barely get sold by the announce team anymore.

JR put would tell us often how JoMo had "all the tools" to become a future world champion, and he would do that consistently until people watching at home started to buy it... now, this was coupled with him a) actually having matches on TV and b) actually winning said matches and c) actually being in angles. He'd always mention how Jeff Hardy would "put his own body on the line against his opponents". When somone was supposed to be a powerhouse, it was always "My God, the STRENGTH of that man!" Guys like Rey Rey were always "quicker than a hiccup" and can "wear you down with their speed". Almost everyone had something to be touted.

The only person I can think they do this with now is Rusev. They were doing it with Reigns until the injury. For awhile, Cesaro was "pound for pound the strongest man on the WWE roster" for about a month, then that went away. Hell, even Rollins, who is supposed to be the "undisputed future of the WWE", is mostly getting himself over on the mic. The only announcer rub he's getting is from JBL, and that's just on getting heel heat, not so much on his "ability".

It is something I said before, WWE can sell just about anybody as a new big star if they wanted to, and the announce table is the best place to start. They just... don't.
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Old 12-07-2014, 02:21 PM   #26
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I define "grabbing the brass ring" as "getting yourself over on your own instead of being chosen."

I don't consider Hogan as having done it. He showed a lot of potential in AWA, then Vince brought him to the WWF and lit a fire under his ass.

Austin did it with "Austin 3:16." Rock did it with his Nation promos. Foley did it by breaking his ass. These are guys who would never have been chosen if they hadn't made themselves what they were. Ziggler and Bryan made themselves huge without the company machine behind them, unfortunately both of them were sidelined by injury. Ziggler is making his way back now.

As far as Cesaro, he was given a huge opportunity which slipped through his hands because he's missing an ingredient in his presentation. I don't think he's a lost cause yet but he needs to figure himself out or he's going to go the way of Chris Masters & Vladimir Kozlov. If they can position him to turn face against Rusev maybe he can finally get it right.
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No way. He was given a top spot on a silver platter and chose to shove it up his own ass sideways.
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I'd also say Edge grabbed it pretty good, I think he just doesn't get a lot of notice for it because he did it solely as a heel.
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Oh, not that brass ring...


Seriously though... I'd say Daniel Bryan if we are going with the "you get over without massive backing of the office or being chosen"

I'd agree with Theo on The Rock. He took full advantage of the Nation spot. He was floundering as Rocky Maivia and just took off as a heel.
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My only issue with the Rock being a guy that grabbed it is they WANTED him to be a star. He was hyped as a big deal and they pushed him immediately upon arrival. Granted the initial face push flopped, and he ran with the more open creativity of being a heel, he was still a "chosen one".
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Yeah, the thing about that situation is that he got that initial "chosen one" push and it stalled instantly, and he basically turned to the company and said "never mind, I got this." So I still give him credit. He could have been a Lex Luger or a Sid if he hadn't made something of himself.
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They wanted a lot of different guys to be stars. The fact that his lived up to and surpassed it says alot for the Rock
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I'd submit Daniel Bryan as an answer to this. No matter what the company through his way, Bryan got more and more over and basically forced the company to give him a main event this year.
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Pretty sure Edge grabbed the brass ring
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I'd say that Jericho, Orton, Edge, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Daniel Bryan and CM Punk have all grabbed that ring at some point since the early 2000's.
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Deacon Batista. Guy was going nowhere, teaming with D'Von with a stupid gimmick before being thrown inside evolution as a generic big guy. He would've been another Tomko is he didn't step up and knock it outside the park.
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Batista was booked extremely well. He got the company "stamp of approval" aka had the proverbial rocket strapped to him when they mis-stepped with Orton's turn. He didn't so much grab the brass ring as it was polished up and delivered to him on a pillow.

Don't get me wrong; he held his own once in the position but he had the full backing of the company.

I guess it comes down to the definition thing again; seems a lot of people here - myself included - are putting a lot of emphasis on the 'grabbing' part, in the sense that we're looking at people who snatched it or at least put themselves in position to do so despite not having the backing of the company.
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Also, Jim Neidhart did not grab Vince's brass ring, to answer the thread title.
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