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Old 07-15-2017, 11:47 AM   #41
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Cutting costs like pyro and sets makes complete sense. Businesses always look at unnecessary expenses to cut. Cutting Talking Smack is the only thing that makes me scratch my head.

The house shows and ppvs not selling out doesn't surprise me. They have done a poor job developing interesting characters. Not sure how much a ticket costs but if I have a family of four I am sure I can spend money on something better.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:12 PM   #42
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Can't build interesting characters when you don't take accountability for an awful process and bad ideas. The only narratives we ever get is that it's somehow the fan's faults, or wrestler A had a bad attitude.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:13 PM   #43
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I remember HHH being like "Wins and loss only matter to you losers, not us" and it's like we're the losers who would be watching your product and contributing money to the network... not anymore though, you fuckwit.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:19 PM   #44
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I wouldn't say that they are in financial trouble right at this moment, but their expenditures are high and their margin of profit is quite low, and when they count so much on television to bring in that profit, and the future of television looks quite bleak, it's not a situation that the company should be sweeping under the rug.

While they were #1 or #2 for the ratings shares in the time slot, they could sit quite comfortably, but advertisers aren't going to be as interested in paying as much money on a property that is losing ground, nor is the USA Network. For a while, I was frustrated because I thought that the WWE could comfortably guarantee roughly the same deal or even a larger one with NBC Universal, based solely on where they were positioned on that leader board, but with them dropping down, I think that for the first time there is actually reason to speculate that their costs will be cut. That is when the WWE will panic.

The brand split is always a horrible idea for RAW. Always. SmackDown gets a little bit out of it, because they actually fucking try, but they often fall into the trap of using it to filter stuff into RAW, and right now is a glaring example of that. Jinder Mahal as WWE Champion? Carmella and Baron Corbin as Money in the Bank Winners? It's a Vince McMahon vanity project warm-up act. SmackDown never gets out of RAW's shadow this way. I can't think of a period where it was more obvious that the SmackDown crew was just there to create future RAW "stars." That being said, it surprises me that the WWE is already considering ending the brand split, because Vince can be god damn stubborn, and I could have seen the Universal Championship sticking around for 12 years just to prove that it could outlast the World Heavyweight Championship. That being said, if they do bring the rosters back together, I could see them keeping the Universal Title around just to spite everybody.

A lot of their foreign stuff hasn't worked out as well as they'd like it to. They got a new TV show in India or something, but it hasn't affected business domestically like you would expect an Indian WWE Champion who genuinely connected with people to. Bollywood films draw all over the world, whereas attendance during the reign of Jinder Mahal's title reign is down. They went with the TJP push with him representing the Philippines, but then the Philippines dropped their television or something. Ha.

It's like the tone-deaf nature of the WWE is finally starting to affect how they play. Ratings were always good, no matter what crap they through at people, but now they are down to #6 instead of being #1 or #2. Attendance was never perfect, but now photos are starting to circulate that affect perception. Remember TNA in the baseball field? That's the feeling I got seeing the vacant side of the building during the most recent RAW. PPV is a non-entity for them anymore, but very few people would buy their shows, and they are using the Network specials more as episodic content.

They wanted to go with more, more, more to bombard the viewer and make it seem like their Network subscription was going to be worth it based on the sheer volume of content being delivered, but now it's starting to plateau, given that the stuff that is there isn't, truthfully, very good. It can't be. Three hours is something you need to fill, not something you can artfully design each week to tell a beautiful and engaging story. Then you've got SmackDown. You are always working towards another Network special where very little is going to be able to be presented as fresh. On top of that, you have competing visions and a philosophy which has no problem admitting that everyone is just playing a character, and then can't understand why none of its heels have heat.

Merchandise might be doing well for certain stars. The video game might continue to sell well. Network subscriptions might be steady. But those will go down if the television presence of WWE continues to decrease. If <2 million people are watching RAW each week, because the show is tiring and bloated as fuck, then that is a smaller pool from which to pluck potential Roman Reigns shirt buyers, those interested in WWE 2k19 or linking themselves up to a direct debit with that company.

There definitely needs to be a correction in direction. Cynical as we as fans can be, we often overestimate the doom and gloom. I think many might be here. But it isn't nothing. For years many have spoken about "Ooh, it doesn't look good," when the WWE was actually not showing much in the way of wounds. But now they are starting to betray them a bit, and it's largely because of the stuff fans have been crowing about. It's starting to catch up to them, because you can only fatigue people for so long. The bubble won't pop, per se, but you're going to start to see things start falling off.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:12 PM   #45
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Over Under 10% chance Shisen actually read Noid's post.
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:50 PM   #46
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No way I read that. I just wanted to make Noid feel like a winner.
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Old 07-15-2017, 06:01 PM   #47
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No way I read that. I just wanted to make Noid feel like a winner.
Thanks, Shisen. It means a lot coming from someone who has been the places you have.
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Old 07-15-2017, 06:09 PM   #48
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I welcome this if true. With a lack of competition, the best way to put pressure on for change is hitting their pockets.

It has taken a while for fans to finally give up and walk away, but TV numbers are declining too quickly to just be "a sign of the times"

It's the same old predictable, boring shit every week and there needs to be a change in how they write their characters and develop TV.

I love wrestling, but I won't be back as a subscriber until things are worth watching again.
You vote with your money. I had to take away my vote for support of the company when they put the WWE Title on Jinder. I just couldn't do it anymore, even for the classic stuff.

I had the Network and I wasn't watching the specials. I'd read the recaps, find that the shows gave less jaded fans than me a lukewarm feeling, and would just skip over them. I essentially had access at no extra cost and chose not to watch.

With Jinder as champion, nothing matters to me. There's no hierarchy. There's no perception of true talent. It's a lottery or casting couch process. Jinder has only been around for 6 years, but in that time, there has been no on-air indication that he shows any of the qualities of being a star. None. And you want to break all that continuity and tell me that he is? No. Fuck you.
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I remember HHH being like "Wins and loss only matter to you losers, not us" and it's like we're the losers who would be watching your product and contributing money to the network... not anymore though, you fuckwit.
Holy shit, yes.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:47 PM   #50
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Lets be honest here,


Once CHW and that other yard fed whose name I forgot "went out of business", we all knew the WWE would be next.
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:25 AM   #53
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Once CHW and that other yard fed whose name I forgot "went out of business", we all knew the WWE would be next.
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:41 AM   #54
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The sets are probably just the way they are because of the led setup, far easier to pipe in custom graphics etc to differentiate the sets than build new ones from scratch.
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The Wrestlemania set from this year probably cost the same as a small town.

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How is a show where the talent is already paid to be there, that has maybe two camera shots at most too expensive to produce? Imagine looking at 205 Live and Talking Smack and then deciding to cancel the show that actually got talent over.


I sure hope they keep that show where JBL and that Rosenberg kiss-ass dude tell us why hardcore fans are dumb on the network advertised to and largely paid for by hardcore fans.
Catching up so this may have been posted but they could have easily taped it while 205 was going on and just pretended it was live.
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This actually pleases me. I won't go to shows unless I am ringside or in the aisle. If I can't successfully interact I don't want to be there. Very snobbish I know but I have been to several live shows and house shows ringside and the amount that it enhances your experience is unreal.
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Absolutely. It's like they can't wait to tell the customer that they are wrong. Yeah, well, good luck selling a product no one wants.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:43 AM   #61
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$1000 for a front row ticket. Is that the usual going rate?
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I would need a long shower if I dropped that sort of cash for a low level PPV. Unless it comes with a handjob from the SmackDown superstar of my choice I don't think it's a very good deal.
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I would need a long shower if I dropped that sort of cash for a low level PPV. Unless it comes with a handjob from the SmackDown superstar of my choice I don't think it's a very good deal.
I heard corbin gives great handies
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:55 AM   #64
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Maybe he could cash in his MITB right after he's finished
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Strowman would be the worst. You'd be done but he'd be all "I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!" and then you'd just wind up getting utterly mangled.
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