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View Poll Results: Really? | |||
Yes | 22 | 44.90% | |
No | 5 | 10.20% | |
Only if they get an actual star | 8 | 16.33% | |
It's a work -- they're not even going to try | 5 | 10.20% | |
Loose Cannon | 9 | 18.37% | |
Voters: 49. You must log in or register to vote on this poll. |
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12-05-2017, 03:56 PM | #1 |
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ALL-IN / Can Cody Rhodes draw 10 people?
Let's talk about this.
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12-05-2017, 04:15 PM | #2 |
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Loose Cannon
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12-05-2017, 04:15 PM | #3 |
Loque Ja
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How many people does your average ROH show get?
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12-05-2017, 04:18 PM | #4 |
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Having said that, 10k is a big ask for any non-WWE show in the US. But it doesn't hurt to at least try, because if they get even half of that they'll make money with all the merch, signings, and all the other stuff that comes with the territory of indy wrestling.
There's very little risk involved for them to try, and if they run this thing in a wrestling hotbed I can't see them not getting 4 or 5k. |
12-05-2017, 04:18 PM | #5 |
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1,105. It is going up. That being said, there are a lot of people who think this is a blatant lie and that ROH very obviously lies about selling out venues and inflates their numbers.
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12-05-2017, 04:20 PM | #6 | |
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Consciously or not, if Cody and The Bucks can't do this, it's going to affect people's perceptions of them, and people can't always control their own perceptions, or even identify them. |
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12-05-2017, 04:20 PM | #7 |
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I believe so given the time they have to promote it. Also depends on where its happening. Kind of feels like a true NWO Souled Out type deal with Bullet Club actually footing the bill.
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12-05-2017, 04:22 PM | #8 |
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Meh, to each their own. It won't impact my perception of them one way or another. They're willing to fork over the cash to take a chance on a lofty goal. Personally, I'd give them credit for trying.
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12-05-2017, 04:22 PM | #9 |
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I suck at doing polls -- I wanted to include an option that says "They won't even get to 5,000." I do think they could be able to get there with some sort of galvanized effort and trying to make it sound like it's a part of history and like they're "sticking it to the man." I would be surprised if they can get more than 5,800. That's the magic number where I'll draw the line and say that I'm impressed.
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12-05-2017, 04:22 PM | #10 |
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If they run it after Bryan hits free agency and get him booked for the show, that won't hurt their cause.
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12-05-2017, 04:24 PM | #11 |
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It won't hurt, but even then -- 10,000 people? In one city? Headlined by Cody Rhodes?
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12-05-2017, 04:25 PM | #12 |
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Estimates place Cow Palace attendance for Cody at 2,500-3,000.
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12-05-2017, 04:26 PM | #13 |
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I'd have to think they're gonna try to run the show in a known wrestling hotbed. That alone will give them a nice jumpstart.
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12-05-2017, 04:27 PM | #14 |
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New Japan drew less than 2,500 for their American shows.
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12-05-2017, 04:27 PM | #15 |
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12-05-2017, 04:28 PM | #16 |
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It's also going to mean that they are going to have to spend a lot more money and will need to actually get closer to achieving the goal.
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12-05-2017, 04:29 PM | #17 |
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Can Cody? Lol no. Can a show? Yeah.
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12-05-2017, 05:00 PM | #18 |
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What would be on this show? I can't think of anything that isn't already on them and only draws about a quarter of that.
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12-05-2017, 05:20 PM | #19 |
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In a convention center, I don't think 10,000 is the goal though. Of course depending on the set and the actul size of the arena 10,000 might not even be possible. NJPW played it safe, this is kind of testing the market to see if them and ROH could do bigger arenas, which I believe is Cody's thinking.
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12-05-2017, 05:24 PM | #20 |
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Yeah, the goal might not even be 10,000. It's likely just a marketing ploy to get more than they usually do.
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12-05-2017, 05:56 PM | #21 |
Rigged from the start
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Depends on his art skills obviously.
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12-05-2017, 05:56 PM | #22 |
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If it was WM weekend, in the WM city, maybe.
Probably not otherwise. |
12-05-2017, 06:33 PM | #23 |
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I think with the right card, they can do it. It won't be easy, obviously, but I think right now more than anytime in the past 30 years is the best time to try something like this.
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12-05-2017, 06:38 PM | #24 |
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Are they looking outside the US? I read somewhere they were looking at London.
I could see it working in the UK as we don't get major shows so people would travel for it more than in the US where there a lot more shows to pick and choose from. Cody doesn't have the power to draw alone, but a packed, high profile well promoted show? Could that draw around the same numbers as a Blackburn Rovers game? Probably. |
12-05-2017, 06:38 PM | #25 |
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Getting even half (paid or not) is going to be really tough but if Cody manages to at least come close or break ROH's record, it would be a pretty big consolation prize.
ROH's current record is around 3500 for attendance and required being on Mania week to make it happen. Their non-Mania week record is around 2500 but required NJPW lending talent to make it happen. Meltzer mentioned recently nobody outside of WWE has managed to hit the 10k number for a show since 1999-2000 WCW and even they needed to paper the numbers to make it happen for their later shows. |
12-05-2017, 06:56 PM | #26 | |
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12-05-2017, 07:06 PM | #27 | |
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For most significant centres of population, Scotland is a dick to get to (the M6 can fuck off). As much as I hate everything going to London, travelling to London is much easier for most people. |
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12-05-2017, 07:07 PM | #28 |
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Lol Cody Rhodes
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12-05-2017, 07:30 PM | #29 |
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I'm sorry, what's going on?
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12-05-2017, 11:02 PM | #30 |
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NO!
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12-06-2017, 03:13 AM | #31 |
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12-06-2017, 03:34 AM | #32 | |
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But occasionally people start believing the work -- especially when they are prone to being marks themselves, as a lot of people in the business seem to be for each other. I can totally see them actually thinking they can draw. Here's what doesn't make sense to me as it pertains to this being a work (and I might be thinking too old-school with this): Floating the idea is going to make people want to see you try. If you know you can't do it, then why put that idea into people's heads so they can see you fail and measure, exactly, your worth to the head. Because they made it about that. Their caveat has been "they still need ROH's permission," so are they going to heel ROH and say that their bosses won't let them be stars? That sounds dumb. |
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12-06-2017, 09:55 AM | #33 |
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They could get 10,000 in the right town and at the right time, because I could see their efforts going a bit "viral" and people going "ironically" or to stick it to WWE because they are so "cool".....
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12-06-2017, 10:02 AM | #34 |
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12-06-2017, 10:28 AM | #35 |
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No way, WWE can't even draw 10000 in most placed with John Cena, how in the fuck would CODY and The Bucks draw more?
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12-06-2017, 11:52 AM | #36 |
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Apparently Meltzer said they couldn't put 10,000 people in an arena on twitter or something and I guess they took that personally.
I think if they marketed it correctly and got some stars to sign on, they could do it. But if it's just Cody and the Young Bucks main-eventing here, it might be tough. |
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12-06-2017, 11:59 AM | #38 |
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12-06-2017, 11:59 AM | #39 |
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To be fair they probably could have drawn more for the Chicago show if roh ran a bigger venue. If I recall tickets sold out in like a week.
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12-06-2017, 01:52 PM | #40 |
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