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Old 07-19-2018, 02:04 PM   #41
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Poor Curt Hawkins. 200+ match losing streak and counting and I'm almost willing to bet that he's released before he's ever given any sort of payoff.
I'm afraid Baron Corbin's taco party destruction was his payoff.
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:24 PM   #42
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:29 PM   #43
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I can't help but be a mark for the guy. He's a really cool dude. Never complains. Seems to have totally embraced the gimmick and is more than happy to get a decent paycheck to travel and get squashed constantly vs. the indy grind. Plus he's got a wrestling school on the side and a hot wife. Not a bad gig at all.

Also I can't help but root for a fellow long-suffering Mets fan. The irony of a Mets fan losing all the time is not lost on me.
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:40 PM   #44
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I like him too.
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Old 07-19-2018, 06:12 PM   #45
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If all 32 of the women in that tournament were capable of winning it, then that's not a good thing. Parity in wrestling is never good.


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Why is Curt Hawkins employed by WWE? Presumably because you need to fill out spots.

If all you're saying is "upsets could have happened", sure. It sounded like you were saying all 32 were neck and neck skill-wise and anyone could have beaten anyone because of it. Which would be bad.


I sometimes wonder about the Hawkins thing myself.

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I can't help but be a mark for the guy. He's a really cool dude. Never complains. Seems to have totally embraced the gimmick and is more than happy to get a decent paycheck to travel and get squashed constantly vs. the indy grind. Plus he's got a wrestling school on the side and a hot wife. Not a bad gig at all.

Also I can't help but root for a fellow long-suffering Mets fan. The irony of a Mets fan losing all the time is not lost on me.
I like him more than Zack Ryder. I enjoyed him with Tyler Reks, but I just don't give a fuck about him on any meaningful level in 2018. He's so cursory. It's that ironic wrestling "look how over he's getting because he sucks" (in kayfabe) stuff. I don't see why you'd want to feature him over anyone else that is more interesting.

Good for him getting his job back though.
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Old 07-19-2018, 07:37 PM   #46
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I sometimes wonder about the Hawkins thing myself.



I like him more than Zack Ryder. I enjoyed him with Tyler Reks, but I just don't give a fuck about him on any meaningful level in 2018. He's so cursory. It's that ironic wrestling "look how over he's getting because he sucks" (in kayfabe) stuff. I don't see why you'd want to feature him over anyone else that is more interesting.

Good for him getting his job back though.
Noid, I love you but I don't think you have a right to complain about Curt Hawkins when you were wetdreaming about Val Venis v. Doug Basham Ironman matches
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:15 PM   #47
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What about the fact that women's wrestling is awful?
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Old 07-19-2018, 11:20 PM   #48
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What about the fact that women's wrestling is awful?
It's somewhat better than ca. 5 years ago. I know that's not saying much but it's way more watchable than before, especially NXT and last year's and most likely this year's Mae Young Classic tournaments. I highly recommend last year's if you can find a way to watch it in full without forking over $10/mo. for WWE Network (assuming you haven't already seen it), definitely give it a watch.
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People grow and change, Helmy.
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What about the fact that women's wrestling is awful?

Not a fan of it either, seeing 120lb women bouncing off the ropes with the ropes barely moving just looks funny.
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Old 07-20-2018, 03:17 PM   #51
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The women try to work like guys, and the booking follows the booking of the men. They're becoming gentrified in a way that doesn't suit them.
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Had an idea for asuka the other day. A way to get some of that aura back. Now that Becky is apparently next up for Carmella, put asuka back with Charlotte. Build it around asuka being affected all this time by the loss. Unable to fully focus on the matches she's been in, because all she can think about is getting her win back. Maybe even turn asuka heel and add more heat than their original build. Would help explain her current slump and lead to another fine match with Charlotte.
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I'm fine with Asuka/Charlotte II, but they should just make it for the belt. Have your best two women fighting over it. Makes sense.
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Old 08-19-2018, 03:49 PM   #54
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Asuka is done, she won't even have a match at Summerslam. Time to retire
Today is Summerslam, and just like I said, Asuka is nowhere in the card. In fact she has only been on tv once since then, standing on the stage clapping when WWE announced Evolution.

She is DONE. WWE should job her out to Michelle McCool at Evolution and then give her a one way ticket back to Japan.
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They'll microwave her every now and then.
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The fact that they're apparently aware that their booking of Asuka has been shit, gives me a little hope they'll turn it around. Usually they have no idea that they're awful.
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Asuka wasn't ready for Asuka
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What did people honestly think would be the case with her? I'm curious as to what people thought would actually happen when Asuka got into the ring with, say, Alexa Bliss or Carmella.
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They thought WWE would make a little more sense and give all the talent they hired for a wrestling promotion that can actually wrestle a little more promenence above the supposed eye candy and publicity stunts... and sorry, but that is essentially what Rousey is, no matter how much she is actually taking to it. If she were just a girl who came into the business organically (no MMA), and made an okay showing of herself in a previous Mae Young Classic enough to get a contract, she'd be in a similar boat as Asuka now.

With proper booking and flame stoking, people would be salivating for the showdown that should have happened in NXT between Ember Moon and Asuka. That Bayley heel turn that was a long time coming... got scrapped LOL so her and Sasha can potentially be the first ever women's tag champs. Yayyyy. So they're back to being kinda generic and just there. Asuka jobbing to Charlotte just to feed Charlotte to... Carmella? You have the wrestling 4 Horsewomen, potentially 3 of the 4 MMA Horsewomen, Nattie Neidhart, etc., etc., and you decide Carmella is enough to hold up a division? Really?

The same company that tries their damnedest to diminish the idea of "smaller" guys as being championship material, slaps a women's belt on one of the tiniest waifs they have in Alexa Bliss. There is absolutely zero reason why Brie Bella needs to do anything involved in a wrestling ring, and her sister is so much worse.

It's like they're trying to supposedly dissolve this pereption of women's wrestling being un-entertaining and worthless while doubling down on the trope at the same time by trotting out the less talented broads, jobbing out the decent workers to oblivion, and trying to tie in TOTAL DIVAS/BELLAS whatever side show ... uh... sideshow instead of showcasing the girls who can wrestle and letting them wrestle. What a concept, huh?
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If that wasn't in the cards, why even hire Kana? Why bother? They could have just kept Eva Marie on the Roman Reigns path to be women's champion until she eventually inevetably Droz'd some chick, then Vince could have shrugged his shoulders and said "See, people with vaginas shouldn't do this dangerous shit!" and shuttered the women's division in one go.
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It was obvious that they weren't going to scorch the earth of all the horrible diva stuff in 2015 when they emphasized The Bellas. Then in 2016 when they put the belt on Alexa Bliss. And then in 2017 when they buried Bayley. And then in 2018...

I don't understand where this idea that they were going to actually change anything comes from.
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Keep hearing about this 4 Horsewomen thing but WWE should hold off until they bring Tessa Blanchard in. Any incarnation without her just won't feel right.
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Asuka should have been handled better but they shouldn't have given an undeafeted streak to a person who can't speak English so well (IMO).
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What did people honestly think would be the case with her? I'm curious as to what people thought would actually happen when Asuka got into the ring with, say, Alexa Bliss or Carmella.
They thought she would retire undefeated
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:15 AM   #66
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Asuka should have been handled better but they shouldn't have given an undeafeted streak to a person who can't speak English so well (IMO).
Undefeated streaks are best used on baby faces who cant talk. The are second best used on heels who cant talk.
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Never was that into Asuka. I believe NXT overhypes alot of these women.
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Undefeated streaks are best used on baby faces who cant talk. The are second best used on heels who cant talk.
Can't talk or can't speak? Goldberg wasn't a great talker but you could understand him.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:37 AM   #69
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He said two words.
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Which I understood clearly.
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All jokes aside he could speak
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:53 AM   #73
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I don't think a wrestler should have to speak to get over. It's a bullshit WWE-ism. Give her a manager. Or just build mystique around her. Not everything has to "fit the mould".

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I don't think a wrestler should have to speak to get over. It's a bullshit WWE-ism. Give her a manager. Or just build mystique around her. Not everything has to "fit the mould".

Your wrestling opinions suck, Big Vic. #FightMe
I'd be perfectly fine if they just gave her a manager. They didn't though.

I don't think her not speaking at all could last very long but it would have been better than what they did.
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Never was that into Asuka. I believe NXT overhypes alot of these women.
It's more the botching of the character that they built up than the botching of Asuka herself that is ridiculous. I don't find Asuka the performer to be miles ahead of everyone else. But they did a good job of building her up as unstoppable. And then just shat it all away in a manner where it almost takes a special talent to botch a push that badly. It's not the fact that she lost a match (though that's the easy WWE apologist strawman). It's the fact that she went from an unstoppable beast to a joke of a jobber in an instant.
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And yeah, not everyone needs to speak to get over. Especially if their booked as an ass kicker and they happen to not speak English very well. Just let them kick ass and not speak.
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I've watched one Asuka match since her call up, which was the match with Charlotte at Mania. I watched a number of her matches in nxt, mostly the Takeover stuff. The way she was presented was night and day.

Nxt Asuka was an unstoppable monster, like a villain in a horror film. Doesn't matter what you throw at her, she keeps getting up and eventually you are destroyed.

WrestleMania Asuka looked like she was the equal to Charlotte. It didn't seem like Charlotte had to nearly kill herself to beat Asuka. They wrestled like they were peers.

To me, that's the death knell. Whatever made Asuka special on nxt was lost simply by how they booked her matches. If and when she loses, it should be because the other person essentially had to try and kill her. They don't seem to be doing that. Hence she fails.
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Jist make her a female Funaki
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