05-02-2018, 11:51 AM | #81 |
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Just heard the Cornette take. Go with that.
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05-02-2018, 01:34 PM | #82 |
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He needs a complete presentation overhaul. Save the Shield theme and gear for when the group reunites again down the line. Then it might feel like it actually means something.
How the fuck did Vince McMahon of all people decide it would be a good idea to cover this guy up?? |
05-02-2018, 02:06 PM | #83 |
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Cornette makes a good obvious point about the sympathy thing. They try to get everyone over the same way. There's no thought of "does this work for this specific guy" anymore. Outside of Lesnar, every heel has to be a chicken shit at least occasionally and every face has to be sympathetic.
Reigns should not be getting his ass kicked constantly to get over as a face. Cena should not have been getting his ass kicked constantly to get over as a face. It doesn't fit them. It fits a Daniel Bryan type. Let the smaller guys get the sympathy and the muscled up beasts be muscled up fucking beasts. Ryback should have told them everything they need to know. He got massively over just kicking ass to the point where as soon as he faced off with the heel everyone wanted to see get their shit kicked in, the crowd backed him INSTANTLY. He became "their guy". So they respond by making him look weak. He was still over to some extent because they never pushed him to the moon at that point but... it's just so fucking simple. It's insane how this company doesn't learn from what works and what doesn't. |
05-02-2018, 02:16 PM | #84 |
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They're obsessed with heat. I think Alvarez harps on it a lot. Steve Austin while having to "overcome odds" always delivered comeuppance. Very rarely did he just flat out get his ass kicked without there being severe repercussions on the same show.
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05-02-2018, 05:31 PM | #85 |
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Austin was an ass kicker tho. Getting comeuppance and refusing to stay down fit his character.
I wonder if Roman still has that physique at this point. He's older now, and maybe they cover him up for a reason. |
05-02-2018, 05:34 PM | #86 |
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Bet he's got pointy nipples.
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05-02-2018, 06:17 PM | #88 |
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05-02-2018, 06:19 PM | #89 | |
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Could have salvaged his aura as a star if they had him beat Henry at Mania but by that point they lost all interest in him and then did him no favors by feeding him right to Cena because they wanted Cena to soak dry what was left of his aura with crowds. |
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05-02-2018, 06:22 PM | #90 |
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Exactly, God forbid WWE calls an audible. Not like Ryback would have hurt Cenas status anyways.
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I've heard Court Bauer, who is allegedly very close with the Samoans, suggest that Reigns does cover up for a reason. He is probably genetically predisposed to being a big boy. That being said, this is the guy that you've chosen to invest 10 years in and you knew that going in. I don't understand why you wouldn't a) factor that in; b) give a fuck. Samoa Joe doesn't wrestle in a shirt, and he looks 10x cooler than Roman Reigns, because he does not give such a self-conscious fuck. He's supposed to be tough, not look like a Ralph Lauren model. If he's big -- good. If he looks like a Greek god? That's even better. It's much better than him playing fake army man by himself. Also coming from Bauer though are stories about how hard Jim Barnett had to work to get Vince to take a shirt off Cena too. Barnett thought it was insane when they were doing the rapper thing that they were getting him to cover up the shape he was in. Grabbing Vince and pointing out that people wanting to fuck his top star is good thing is apparently something that needs to happen. |
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