Better Wrestler #51

[Destor]

VS





3 DAYS

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Better Wrestler Hall of Fame"Macho Man" Randy Savage

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[Big Vic]

Which Kane are we voting for? Demon, Corporate, Concessions, Mayor?

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Big Vic Which Kane are we voting for? Demon, Corporate, Concessions, Mayor?

Fake Kane only

[Evil Vito]

Kane is one of my all-time favorites and one of the first wrestlers I became a mark for. First wrestling-related autograph I got too.

But objectively Edge was way better in the ring. He could get a good match out of pretty much anybody. I don't really recall a time when I'd groan before an Edge match. Even during his less than stellar face run in the early 2000s at least you knew you were getting a really good match out of it.

Even though I like Kane he's had more than his fair share of eyesores. His Corporate Kane run in 2014/15 led to funny segments but had me wishing he would retire rather than going out there and stinking out the joint night after night.

[Blue Demon]

I went with kane....as much as I like Edge, I pretty much always enjoyed the Kane character...except when he had to go through the Katie Vick angle, which was probably no fault of his.

[Bad News Gertner]

Kane. I have no valid reason for this.

[Destor]

I think the conversation of legacy is interesting with these two. In ring Edge is better, hard to argue anything else. But which of these two will be talked about the longest? I think from that perspective I think the answer is Kane. The character is more "iconic" (using the term loosely) than Edge and I think in 20 years Kane will be more memorable than Edge.

I think these two are much closer than this poll suggests. If you exclude the average fans propensity to prefer fast paced matches (and thus preferring Edge's in-ring product to Kanes) they ae pretty even in every meaningful category.


With that said I'm giving my vote to Kane due to the legacy which is my 2nd biggest metric for voting since neither really generated a boat load of money.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I just enjoy Edge's work more.

I mean Edge will never have anything as iconic as "THAT'S--- THAT'S GOTTTTA BE KANE" but damn if his TLC feuds aren't pretty fucking iconic themselves.

Plus Kanes lows are far lower than Edge's.

[Maluco]

I don't think we can put Kane over Edge in terms of being more iconic and memorable...when Edge just beat Sting.

Kane is in that same "character" genre as Sting. Sting is better than Kane on every level as an iconic character, as well as bettering him in the ring and on the mic....and he STILL lost to the Rated-R suuuuuuperstarrrr.

In other words, if Sting couldn't beat him, no way Kane is

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Maluco I don't think we can put Kane over Edge in terms of being more iconic and memorable...when Edge just beat Sting. Kane is in that same "character" genre as Sting. Sting is better than Kane on every level as an iconic character, as well as bettering him in the ring and on the mic....and he STILL lost to the Rated-R suuuuuuperstarrrr. In other words, if Sting couldn't beat him, no way Kane is

I think the money Sting left on the table via Starrcade removes Sting from the conversation. Ive conteded for years that sting is the reason we watch raw now and not nitro...Also despite being called the icon i dont really see him as such. Its all gimmick. Hes an icon because we were told he is. Dont buy into it.

[mike adamle]

Gonna think on this one

[Outsider]

Edge.

Kane isn't bad for a generic big man, but never felt he has shown anything more than being big and able to slam people a bit. Don't get me wrong, he does it well, and certainly the Kane gimmick works, but in terms of wrestling ability he is nothing special.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

he did a sweet off the top rope clothesline

[screech]

I love Edge, but Kane is my favorite wrestler ever and the reason I got hooked.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Hard choices. Don't think Kane was ever really the man in the WWE. Edge carried Smackdown for years as a heel.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Outsider Edge. Kane isn't bad for a generic big man, but never felt he has shown anything more than being big and able to slam people a bit. Don't get me wrong, he does it well, and certainly the Kane gimmick works, but in terms of wrestling ability he is nothing special.

Generic?

[mike adamle]

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon Hard choices. Don't think Kane was ever really the man in the WWE. Edge carried Smackdown for years as a heel.

Try thinking about it SOBER

[Shisen Kopf]

Kane. He's not Canadian.

[Ruien]

Originally Posted by Outsider Edge. Kane isn't bad for a generic big man, but never felt he has shown anything more than being big and able to slam people a bit. Don't get me wrong, he does it well, and certainly the Kane gimmick works, but in terms of wrestling ability he is nothing special.

Lol what? I don't think you know what generic means.

Kane all the way. Such a wonderful asset for the company to have.

[Sixx]

voted edge. just enjoyed his matches more.

glenn jacobs is a great dude, loyal to the company. but yeah, adam copeland rocked.

[Sixx]

just to be clear, i love kane as well.

[Nicky Fives]

Originally Posted by mike adamle Gonna think on this one

After contemplation, I have to go with Kane. I preferred Edge, but Kane was better.

[Rammsteinmad]

Edge.

I liked Kane back in the day (and even today I respect him), but he's just never been someone I considered one of my favourites. His legit "monster" days were great though and he was terrifying, but over the last decade his character/background and everything else has been so inconsistent that I haven't really given a shit.

Corporate Kane was kinda a nice twist though when it first happened.

[Maluco]

Originally Posted by Destor I think the money Sting left on the table via Starrcade removes Sting from the conversation. Ive conteded for years that sting is the reason we watch raw now and not nitro...Also despite being called the icon i dont really see him as such. Its all gimmick. Hes an icon because we were told he is. Dont buy into it.

I actually think nearly the exact opposite. That Sting was incredibly charismatic and one of the reasons the nWo didn't sour way before it did. Fans loved him and he was the only WCW guy that wasn't treated like dirt in their wake.

A lot more people would tell you Sting was their favourite growing up than Kane I would wager.

In any case, poor Sting has been and gone. Edge is much more well rounded than Kane and right from his breakthrough, he had energy and charisma and memorable stories.

Kane has had a LOT of years in the wilderness and that has soured me on his legacy somewhat.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Maluco I actually think nearly the exact opposite. That Sting was incredibly charismatic and one of the reasons the nWo didn't sour way before it did. Fans loved him and he was the only WCW guy that wasn't treated like dirt in their wake.

If it werent for Starrcade 97 I'd think your stance was fair. But that match was so damaging to the company that it cant be forgiven. As WCW had apexed and the WWF was getting steam to have him deliver in that fasion it in my opinion was the first failure for WCW and started a dominoe effect that imo killed the company.


I dont mean to put the entire weight of WCWs demise on Sting but it was the first dominoe to fall and then many that came after did them in. Had that match gone well I think things go very differently for the industry as a whole. The neigitves of that moment are so huge, possibly the biggest failure of any one worker ever, that it destroys any good will made from other aspects of his career.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What was he really supposed to do with Hogan though? I mean Hogan didn't want to put him over.

I honestly think if there was no fuck finish, the shittiness of that match wouldn't matter because Hogan ALWAYS had shitty matches at that point of his career. I'm not one of those guys who hates Hogan's workrate because in the 80s (literally ALL of the 80s) and some of the very early 90s, Hogan's work was pretty solid for what he had to do. But Hollywood Hogan was the drizzling shits, and he sewer fucked that finish.

[Big Vic]

Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead What was he really supposed to do with Hogan though?

Kick out?

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead What was he really supposed to do with Hogan though? I mean Hogan didn't want to put him over. I honestly think if there was no fuck finish, the shittiness of that match wouldn't matter because Hogan ALWAYS had shitty matches at that point of his career. I'm not one of those guys who hates Hogan's workrate because in the 80s (literally ALL of the 80s) and some of the very early 90s, Hogan's work was pretty solid for what he had to do. But Hollywood Hogan was the drizzling shits, and he sewer fucked that finish.

Maybe show up in shape and not get blown up 10 min in? I mean Rock/Angle/and Lesnar all had classics with Hogan like a decadish it's not like he was washed up.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I just don't think that really matters.

The Rock match is a totally different ball game.

Angle and Lesnar are Angle and Lesnar. 2 absolute machines of men and could wrestle around Hogan. Let's not act like Sting even in the best shape of his career was going to do that.

Hogan's as much to blame for that match as Sting is. If not more so. It was a badly booked match. Why not have it go 7 minutes and have Sting win with the Death Drop? High octane Stinger splashes, no Hogan back rakes bing bang boom, do some business.

Notice how Goldberg couldn't wrestle more than 5 minutes at Mania so they didn't make him go more than 5 minutes?

I mean you spend all this time building up a match, you see the guy is in less than ideal shape and you set the match up to be a flop.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead I just don't think that really matters. The Rock match is a totally different ball game. Angle and Lesnar are Angle and Lesnar. 2 absolute machines of men and could wrestle around Hogan. Let's not act like Sting even in the best shape of his career was going to do that. Hogan's as much to blame for that match as Sting is. If not more so. It was a badly booked match. Why not have it go 7 minutes and have Sting win with the Death Drop? High octane Stinger splashes, no Hogan back rakes bing bang boom, do some business. Notice how Goldberg couldn't wrestle more than 5 minutes at Mania so they didn't make him go more than 5 minutes? I mean you spend all this time building up a match, you see the guy is in less than ideal shape and you set the match up to be a flop.

Here's what I got out of that: "Sting should not be expected to have good matches because he is not that good of a worker."


I agree.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He's not Angle or Lesnar.

[Destor]

Or Edge apparently

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

They kind of have similar loose styles. Edge was just more agile.

[Big Vic]

Originally Posted by Destor Or Edge apparently

But is he Kane?............ hmmmmmmmmmm

[Big Vic]

Sting vs Fake Sting

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Big Vic Sting vs Fake Sting

Fake Kane vs Fake Sting

[Big Vic]

Better Fake Wrestler #1

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Luke Gallows v Cobra

[mike adamle]

I thought about how much both have accomplished, and they're honestly very equal. Then you look at the garbage they've produced and Kane leads that by a mile. Gotta give it to Edge even though I think Kane is great.

[Theo Dious]

Gotta say Edge. It's close, really, but Edge has greater raw ability and he's never touched the depths of shit that Kane has.