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Old 01-06-2018, 01:11 AM   #1
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How do you feel about Cena?

Not a big fan of his wrestling persona, really. But the guy seems like a really cool dude. Watched his interviews, his mad lib theater on Kimmel, dude is just so down to earth. I would grab a beer with him the first chance I got.
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Old 01-06-2018, 01:12 AM   #2
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John Cena. Jesus Christ. JC. Can't see either of them. You get it? He's our fucking lord and savior. WWJCD? Be the motherfucking lord and savior, that's what.
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Plus of all , he is good for the company. I realize a lot of people dislike him, but he draws. And the fact he's such a likable person makes it for me.
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Old 01-06-2018, 01:27 AM   #4
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His matches are the only ones that seem to really mean anything anymore. He might be the GOAT, for real.
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Untouchable on the mic too.
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Old 01-06-2018, 01:32 AM   #6
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His ass kicking at SummerSlam 2014 was a huge catharsis. His expanding Hollywood presence makes him a legitimate star, and he's going to outgrow the WWE just as he actually enters "living legend, respect mode." I don't even want to see him turn heel anymore.
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As much as people might hate him, there's no denying he's the Hogan of our era. Sure, the guy might not draw AS MUCH but still. The biggest star. But the fact is - I don't watch a lot these days, since they no longer show it on TV here and watching on youtube is just not the same, but I really did my homework on him and watched a lot of interviews and whatnot. You can just tell he loves the company which might be why Vince used to have that boner for him.
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Old 01-06-2018, 03:31 AM   #8
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Also, the number of Cena matches I would go back and watch now is WAY higher than the same stat for Hogan.
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Correct. I used to be a Hogan mark, but his matches usually sucked.
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Everything that is allowed to get stale in wrestling, does. And this was the case with Cena too. Nothing ever changed for a solid decade and it became mind numbing at times.

Brock beating and US title stuff allowed fans to see him in a new light and appreciate him. I don't think he is anywhere close to GOAT, but he is a very versatile performer and extremely hard-working.

He was very much the chosen one though and I think people forget how stale it got with him on top and the never changing landscape.
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Cena's incredible. The hate he got for a decade plus is justified because of the combination of over-exposure and horrible, bland booking. But the man himself is just a prototypical wrestling mega star.
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Everything that is allowed to get stale in wrestling, does. And this was the case with Cena too. Nothing ever changed for a solid decade and it became mind numbing at times.

Brock beating and US title stuff allowed fans to see him in a new light and appreciate him. I don't think he is anywhere close to GOAT, but he is a very versatile performer and extremely hard-working.

He was very much the chosen one though and I think people forget how stale it got with him on top and the never changing landscape.
I loved it when he went after the US title. His status made the title legit as it was put on kind of jobbers before and lost all the meaning.
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Yeah, Cena made the title look meaningful as fuck. It was weird having your top guy as the midcard champion and a much less over guy as world champion but it at least brought the title up.

Of course, like 2 months after he lost it, it was around Kalisto's waist...
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Yeah, Cena made the title look meaningful as fuck. It was weird having your top guy as the midcard champion and a much less over guy as world champion but it at least brought the title up.

Of course, like 2 months after he lost it, it was around Kalisto's waist...
Oh fuck, did not know that.
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My favorite part of cenas career is after being shit on for a decade he changed nothing and got over with those who formerly shit on him.
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My favorite part of cenas career is after being shit on for a decade he changed nothing and got over with those who formerly shit on him.
Hm, I don't remember if I ever shat on him, but as I mentioned, not really a fan of his in-ring persona. It's the other shit that makes me like him.
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Cena is pretty much a perfect example of the wwe basically doing whats best for their bank balance and not caring if the overwhelming majority of the audience is booing him out of the building for a decade. So much for them "listening to the fans", he probably could have had a more interesting career if his character had became a heel during the last 5 or 6 years, but nope. Just remained generic "good guy" with the exception of the odd promo now and again.

A missed opportunity imo, as a heel in the early 2000's he was a pretty interesting character, but once he went "good guy" and merchandise sales started to soar he was just locked into that. Cena turning heel after years of being the ultimate good guy could have been a big a turn as Hogan turning at BOTB, but Vince "the visionary, the genius" never had this thought cross his mind and instead decided to milk the merchandise sales for all they were worth.
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Cena is pretty much a perfect example of the wwe basically doing whats best for their bank balance and not caring if the overwhelming majority of the audience is booing him out of the building for a decade. So much for them "listening to the fans", he probably could have had a more interesting career if his character had became a heel during the last 5 or 6 years, but nope. Just remained generic "good guy" with the exception of the odd promo now and again.

A missed opportunity imo, as a heel in the early 2000's he was a pretty interesting character, but once he went "good guy" and merchandise sales started to soar he was just locked into that. Cena turning heel after years of being the ultimate good guy could have been a big a turn as Hogan turning at BOTB, but Vince "the visionary, the genius" never had this thought cross his mind and instead decided to milk the merchandise sales for all they were worth.
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Theyre dumb, im smart. Them wanting money was a mistake.
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Theyre dumb, im smart. Them wanting money was a mistake.
If that's too long for you then your attention span must be pretty short. And obviously seeing the possible bigger picture is an issue for you.
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If you still look back and think youre right about them needing to turn him you dont know shit about shit. Cena merch money is the only thing that kept them going amd to throw that way so the cool kids would like him (lol @ turning him heel so people would like him btw) is moronic and is a fine example as to why youre better off watching from your couch.
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If you still look back and think youre right about them needing to turn him you dont know shit about shit. Cena merch money is the only thing that kept them going amd to throw that way so the cool kids would like him (lol @ turning him heel so people would like him btw) is moronic and is a fine example as to why youre better off watching from your couch.
And you honestly think in the 2000's they were so bad off in terms of money just after the boom of the attitude era that cena's merchandise money is the only thing that kept them going? I think you'll find financially they were very well off after the attitude era, they also went public with shares which also helped bolster the company. This wasn't the down period where they were actually taking bottled water dispensers out of titan towers to save money, this was after the period that legitimately made Vince a billionaire so i don't know where you're pulling this "merch money floated the company" bollocks from.

Think you need to look into the mirror to see someone who "doesn't know shit about shit". But feel free to believe whatever fairy tale you come up with next.

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YOU COULD argue a heel turn could have given Cena a little more colour and when he turned face again he coulda sold more merch.

But realistically whether he turned or not would have made no difference. Not like there was any heir apparent ready to be #1 face...or at least anyone they had earmarked other than maybe Lashley and that never would have worked.
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Turning Cena heel would have been cool for shock value and then after a month or so everyone who was clamoring for it would have been like "Wait. It wasn't that Cena needed to turn heel. It's that WWE booking is paint-by-numbers regardless of disposition.

As a face, he never needed to be booked with any real substance because kids are stupid. So they could take the easy way. As a heel, they'd be lazy with it and he'd end up not being any better as a character eventually.
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Cena is pretty much a perfect example of the wwe basically doing whats best for their bank balance and not caring if the overwhelming majority of the audience is booing him out of the building for a decade. So much for them "listening to the fans", he probably could have had a more interesting career if his character had became a heel during the last 5 or 6 years, but nope. Just remained generic "good guy" with the exception of the odd promo now and again.

A missed opportunity imo, as a heel in the early 2000's he was a pretty interesting character, but once he went "good guy" and merchandise sales started to soar he was just locked into that. Cena turning heel after years of being the ultimate good guy could have been a big a turn as Hogan turning at BOTB, but Vince "the visionary, the genius" never had this thought cross his mind and instead decided to milk the merchandise sales for all they were worth.

They are a business. Of course they are going to do what's best for their bank balence. What are they supposed to do?
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Old 01-06-2018, 03:50 PM   #26
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Something to be said for putting on quality television instead of pinning your hopes to one star. The problem they have now is ratings dwindling because of years of lazy booking and surviving by doing the bare minimum.

When they were under pressure from WCW, they took risks and it was better for everyone. Characters thrived and TV was exciting.

As a business, I would expect them to think long term about their product and not just the here and now.
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John Cena is a legend. Don't get all the hate he gets. Good in the ring, good on the mic, his woman has a nice ass. What's not to like?
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They are a business. Of course they are going to do what's best for their bank balence. What are they supposed to do?
Oh i don't know, maybe not wank away money on half brained schemes like the WBF the XFL, WWE Films, Linda running for government (may or may not have been her own money, afaik that was never mentioned one way or the other). Sterling examples of doing whats best for their bank balance, right?

As for Cena, all they did was play it safe and as a result they had a situation where they eventually had to bribe people to tune into the show (the million dollar giveaway), and their top "star" everyone's meant to cheer for was booed out of the buildings for the better part of a decade.

They didn't even test the waters with a Cena heel turn, it may have went really good, it may have went over like a fart in church, at this point we'll never know. Either way wwe continue to treat their fans like they have a memory retention span of 10 minutes so a failed heel turn is easily rectified in their eyes. Vince talks about being a risk taker, i think his grapefruits are more like prunes after the XFL debacle. The Vince of the attitude era would have had no issues turning Cena heel.
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:55 PM   #29
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There are a few things that other people do better than Cena, but no one is as good at everything as Cena.

Definitely top 3 on yhe mic though, if not #1.
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My favorite part of cenas career is after being shit on for a decade he changed nothing and got over with those who formerly shit on him.
In fairness, the quality of his matches gradually improved over the years. He wasn't always "big match john".
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Cena was always amazing. Just everyone else in his era was shit besid3s for Orton basically
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Which is why Cena became stale because there was and still is no one to fill his void besides Lesnar.
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Outside of the occasional story throughout the years, no real issues with him outside the ring. Could probably argue he's the best major star the WWE ever had in terms of media and PR stuff just due to the vast amount of stuff he has done.

Inside the ring, more of a meh stance but mainly because of how terrible/stale his booking generally is. Personally I'd break him down into 3 eras with really liking him a lot during the pre-Super Cena era, completely despising him during the Super Cena era, and a mixed but leaning more towards the enjoyable side since the feud with The Rock.
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Yet Orton and Cena cannot work a great matcg together @Noid
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"It would have been cool if they turned cena heel"

If you dont get why thats a stupid sentence i promise youre a mark.
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Something to keep in mind about Cena is that ratings did go down under him. They were determined to get him over, but the push actually pushed people away. He did well selling merch to dumb kids still watching wrestling, but when it comes to naming the biggest stars in wrestling, there's no way he's anywhere close to Hogan, Austin or even Rock, who routinely helped Cena get over the million buy line for Mania.

Cena's star will continue to grow now, with the secret being out that he does have personality and can make it in Hollywood. And that's the star that is going to be remembered and valuable moving forward. People aren't suddenly going to look at Cena vs. Triple H from Mania 22 as expert storytelling. And Cena now is so much better than Cena from a decade ago. When Cena first got given the belt and got smashed over, he was not six years into his career. Now he's been doing this for 19.
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"It would have been cool if they turned cena heel"

If you dont get why thats a stupid sentence i promise youre a mark.
That does make sense. But that's like those people who say that "Austin was an asshole, so doesn't that technically make him a heel?"

#Fan explained it perfectly. People were just fed up with stale white bread. They wanted to see things get more intense and less "poopy."
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Oh i don't know, maybe not wank away money on half brained schemes like the WBF the XFL, WWE Films, Linda running for government (may or may not have been her own money, afaik that was never mentioned one way or the other). Sterling examples of doing whats best for their bank balance, right?

As for Cena, all they did was play it safe and as a result they had a situation where they eventually had to bribe people to tune into the show (the million dollar giveaway), and their top "star" everyone's meant to cheer for was booed out of the buildings for the better part of a decade.

They didn't even test the waters with a Cena heel turn, it may have went really good, it may have went over like a fart in church, at this point we'll never know. Either way wwe continue to treat their fans like they have a memory retention span of 10 minutes so a failed heel turn is easily rectified in their eyes. Vince talks about being a risk taker, i think his grapefruits are more like prunes after the XFL debacle. The Vince of the attitude era would have had no issues turning Cena heel.

Cena has made them money hand over fist. Again, why change something that's working financially
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