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Old 01-09-2018, 03:02 PM   #81
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They will all come in and have a first match against Dolph Ziggler, then get stuck in boring feuds cos creative will have nothing for them.
The WWE roster is too crowded at the moment , no one should be bought in till they get rid of people.
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Old 01-09-2018, 03:03 PM   #82
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I feel like TNA was going for a Lesnar-type with Lashley but they butchered it horribly. Wouldn't mind seeing him get a good run as an unstoppable legit fighter on Smackdown. Mainly because I just miss when true credibility was something you could find in more than just one part time guy.

Also, I somtimes forget Lashley was once handpicked by the fucking president to represent him. They could definitely use that in whatever they do.
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Old 01-09-2018, 03:06 PM   #83
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They will all come in and have a first match against Dolph Ziggler, then get stuck in boring feuds cos creative will have nothing for them.
The WWE roster is too crowded at the moment , no one should be bought in till they get rid of people.
No need to get rid of people. Just give Smackdown a B show instead of having 2 for the 3 hour show and let some of the other guys just be jobbers. They TRY to make everyone relevant at some point and in doing so, bring down everyone else. Some guys should just exist to make the rest of the guys look good. It seems like there's a handful of true main eventers and then EVERYONE ELSE is a midcarder. There should be more levels.
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Old 01-09-2018, 03:09 PM   #84
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No need to get rid of people. Just give Smackdown a B show instead of having 2 for the 3 hour show and let some of the other guys just be jobbers. They TRY to make everyone relevant at some point and in doing so, bring down everyone else. Some guys should just exist to make the rest of the guys look good. It seems like there's a handful of main eventers and then EVERYONE ELSE is a midcarder. There should be more levels.
I understand the need for a jobber , the original reason I'm guessing Mahal was bought back and the re hiring of Hawkins.
If Smackdown was to get a B show you know it wouldn't just be made up of clips of what happened on the main show and maybe a Match involving The Ascension.
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Old 01-09-2018, 03:11 PM   #85
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I feel like TNA was going for a Lesnar-type with Lashley but they butchered it horribly. Wouldn't mind seeing him get a good run as an unstoppable legit fighter on Smackdown. Mainly because I just miss when true credibility was something you could find in more than just one part time guy.

Also, I somtimes forget Lashley was once handpicked by the fucking president to represent him. They could definitely use that in whatever they do.
Kind of like what WWE was going for with Lashley after Lesnar left.
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I understand the need for a jobber , the original reason I'm guessing Mahal was bought back and the re hiring of Hawkins.
If Smackdown was to get a B show you know it wouldn't just be made up of clips of what happened on the main show and maybe a Match involving The Ascension.
It would. Speaking ideally though. The fact that the 3 hour show has 2 extra shows and the 2 hour show has none makes no sense.

There's enough talent to get a women's match, a tag match and a singles match with some midcarders on a B show every week along with some of those backstage interviews they usually save for WWE.com. Would be useful in theory.
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Sorry meant to say that it would be full of clips.

In theory that would work a treat , but there's a sense of overkill at the moment with the programming. The apathy that is shown to 205 live by a crowd who is ready to leave and for the most part has no interest in seeing these guys wrestle.
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Having 205 Live AFTER the main show also makes no sense.
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Completely agree , they should still have the main matches on Raw but film 205 live either before Smackdown or at Full Sail.
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There are definitely big problems with the WWE that would get in the way of anything. At the top they need guys who can be credible stars. The B-show idea makes sense, I guess, but is that going to help anyone, really? Who really got a rub from Velocity (even though I used to love it)? I do think that cycling talent in and out more frequently is better for the talent and better for the health of the industry, in general. I wouldn't want to see them go, but imagine what Fandango & Tyler Breeze could do as a cocky heel team on the independents. No, they wouldn't draw 10,000 people, but they could have some great matches and create buzz which would allow them to come back when they have their routine down as a team.
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Ideally with a B show, you're showcasing guys you normally wouldn't want to spend time on the main show on and giving them a chance to show what they can do outside of getting squashed. Done right, it's a useful tool. (See: Creepy Johnny Curtis)
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Yeah, but you'd need to actually write stuff then. I can't see them writing more stuff. It will just be extended matches.
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Don't see Eddie coming to WWE ever. NXT is his ceiling if he does. EC3 has to be EC3, none of this Derrick Bateman bullshit. Lashley return would work but maybe not for him also wanting to do MMA. I like James Storm but see no use for him in WWE at all.
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Plus Derrick Bateman died in a fire work factory explosion.
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:26 PM   #96
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To be fair no one would really know who the hell Derrick Bateman was. He would be more famous off his run as EC3.
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Although it may mean that would have to link him to Dixie Carter which I don't think they would do.

Call him BJ6
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Lol, more people would have seen NXT than TNA. I do think the internet would have read that is his name and stuff, but no one watches TNA, haha. No one.
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Call him VK3 and give him a frat boy gimmick with Hornswoggle in college.
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Lol, more people would have seen NXT than TNA. I do think the internet would have read that is his name and stuff, but no one watches TNA, haha. No one.
Im not saying that TNA has a massive load of viewers , but most fans are gonna have no recollection of a guy who jobbed a lot on old NXT shows.
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Yeah, I'd lean toward more people knowing him as EC3 than Derrick Bateman simply because it's current and Bateman is long forgotten.
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Why? No one knows who that is.
Believe it or not Impact is televised around the world and since joining Impact he's made a name for himself. Plus he does other promotions going by that name. EC3 is also way more marketable than Derrick Bateman. EC3 has beat Kurt Angle and Sting, Derrick Bateman hasn't beat anyone.

Just don't see how you think people would know him more as Derrick Bateman. I never seen the guy until he showed up on Impact and they built him up better than they have anyone in their history. If he comes to WWE, which I hope he doesn't then he has to be EC3.
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Would that really surprise you? 300,000 people watch Impact. Over three times as many people watched NXT when it was on Syfy.
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I'm sure the current crop of fans have read that he was EC3 in TNA. But this assertion that his stock has appreciated so much because of the name change and because TNA has given him a bigger platform is ridiculous. He's more polished. He can go to WWE as Lester Wonderyears and he'll instantly be more recognizable as that than anything TNA can produce. I'd call him Derrick Bateman, not that the name means anything, but for continuity.
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Continuity of what? The guy did nothing in WWE or even NXT. I don't know where you are getting TNA giving him a bigger platform though. Yeah if he comes to WWE he'll be more recognized, same as any other talent that has come to WWE. EC3 is more marketable and its the same reason the kept the names of most other TNA talent. If they can get that name they'll use it.
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He was Daniel Bryan's rookie. I think that's got far more value than being Dixie Carter's nephew, or whatever his gimmick is there. They don't even acknowledge TNA. What does it bring over with him? It'd be like bringing over a kayfabe relative of Eric Bischoff to the WWE using that kayfabe gimmick. Also WWE actively go out of their way to not use TNA names.
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Would that really surprise you? 300,000 people watch Impact. Over three times as many people watched NXT when it was on Syfy.
That does surprise me. Mostly because I forgot NXT was ever televised.
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Also WWE actively go out of their way to not use TNA names.
They go out of their way not to mention TNA, not their names. WWE has 4 guys using their TNA/Independent name. Also used Austin Aries and James Storm. Lately if a talent is from the US or Canada and has any name value they'll let them keep it if possible. EC3 being there before is different but that character never got established and likely repackaged once NXT was rebooted if he stayed.
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Tut tut Noid.

Looking at a bit of detail; the season of NXT that he appeared on wasn’t even on SyFy. I can’t find any specifics for viewing figures once it went to a web-only show. Meanwhile you quote TNA’s current (awful) viewership when he’s been with the company since 2013 when viewership wasn’t so bad. The last episode on Spike did nearly 1mil in viewers - similar to the NXT on SyFy figures you quoted.

Ultimately I’m not all that bothered. I just think “Derrick” is a terrible name. Derrick is not a superstar, he’s a dork that works in IT.

It’s all moot anyway; give it 6 months he’d just be “Bateman”.
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That does surprise me. Mostly because I forgot NXT was ever televised.
It inherited the ECW slot.
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Tut tut Noid.

Looking at a bit of detail; the season of NXT that he appeared on wasn’t even on SyFy. I can’t find any specifics for viewing figures once it went to a web-only show. Meanwhile you quote TNA’s current (awful) viewership when he’s been with the company since 2013 when viewership wasn’t so bad. The last episode on Spike did nearly 1mil in viewers - similar to the NXT on SyFy figures you quoted.

Ultimately I’m not all that bothered. I just think “Derrick” is a terrible name. Derrick is not a superstar, he’s a dork that works in IT.

It’s all moot anyway; give it 6 months he’d just be “Bateman”.
My point is that more people are familiar with NXT and the WWE things than the TNA things. Derrick Bateman has also appeared on SmackDown and Saturday Morning Slam. I know we live in a smarky-smark bubble, but most people don't even know TNA exists. This idea that his run there has been prestigious in any sense other than his performative development is ridiculous.

Most people probably have forgotten that Derrick Bateman ever existed. But those same people aren't exactly champing at the bit to get "Ethan Carter's" autograph either. I'm not trying to state that Derrick Bateman was a big star. Just don't blow smoke up my ass and tell me that EC3 is.
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I don't like Derrick either, but again, I'd rather keep the continuity. D.C. Bateman. Run with the American thing.
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They go out of their way not to mention TNA, not their names. WWE has 4 guys using their TNA/Independent name. Also used Austin Aries and James Storm. Lately if a talent is from the US or Canada and has any name value they'll let them keep it if possible. EC3 being there before is different but that character never got established and likely repackaged once NXT was rebooted if he stayed.
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I don't like Derrick either, but again, I'd rather keep the continuity. D.C. Bateman. Run with the American thing.
Derrick Carter Bateman?
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-edit- I see the Bateman not being on the SyFy version thing was already addressed.

I agree that calling him EC3 would be silly too just because A) Who gives a fuck about his TNA name and B) It's a reference to Dixie Carter, which is weird. But If they DID go with EC3, more people would probably recognize him as that than as Derrick Bateman. You gotta look at who watched the NXT web series too. It wasn't a ton of casual viewers. It was the same type of people who are likely to watch TNA. NO ONE who isn't aware of him in TNA is gonna remember Derrick Bateman from WWE TV. Might as well just give him a different name completely.

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I don't like Derrick either, but again, I'd rather keep the continuity. D.C. Bateman. Run with the American thing.
"USA Guy" D.C. Bateman.

I like it.
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Bateman wasn't on it when it was on SyFy though.

I agree that calling him EC3 would be silly too just because A) Who gives a fuck about his TNA name and B) It's a reference to Dixie Carter, which is weird. But If they DID go with EC3, more people would probably recognize him as that than as Derrick Bateman.
No, but the show was exposed to so many people, and it left the network with 1 million viewers. I'm sure not everyone jumped over, but I think everyone is underestimating the reach of the WWE and overestimating TNA's. I think people are conflating his push in TNA with being at the bottom of the hierarchy in WWE. But more people are aware of who Heath Slater is than have ever seen Kenny Omega.

The only reason he was signed by TNA was because he was a WWE reject anyway. It was "Hey, look at what they're getting Derrick Bateman to do in TNA." I agree with your reasoning in both A and B.
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