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Old 08-11-2015, 05:52 PM   #201
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that Jay Garrick will have his "classic" look and nowhere near his current one....
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Old 08-14-2015, 08:19 AM   #202
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Old 08-16-2015, 07:40 AM   #203
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Just started watching this, pretty cool so far.

What I don't get it why the hell does he fight at normal speed? He runs up to them and takes their weapons superfast but then just fights like a regular guy. Hope he ain't that dumb later in the season.
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Old 10-06-2015, 10:22 PM   #204
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Barry's dad kinda a dick....
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Old 10-07-2015, 10:49 AM   #205
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Great first episode. Really looking forward to see how Earth 2 goes.
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Old 10-08-2015, 01:39 PM   #206
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Still bugs me how he runs fast as fuck only to stop and fight like a regular person.
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Old 10-08-2015, 09:18 PM   #207
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:48 PM   #208
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The Flash of Two Worlds part was hilarious.
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:52 PM   #209
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Marked out for it.

Can't wait until Jay inevitably gets his powers back and they team up for real....

I also enjoyed the new Patty Spivot character.... though getting kidnapped and playing damsel in distress in her first appearance probably isn't a good sign for her.... likely to happen on a semi-regular basis now.
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Old 10-18-2015, 07:40 AM   #210
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i think zoom is eddie tbh. i don't know how convinced i am of my own theory but at the moment that's where i'm leaning, idk. really don't want it to be earth-2 wells. that'd be boring. i suspect he is probably not gonna be as creepy as he seemed; would be good to have a good wells around this season. whatever, i am making predictions and they'll probably be wrong, this is why i never post

anyway, the reason i think it's eddie (if it's not someone we've never met before, which is a solid possibility too i guess) is that this is a pretty "black flash"ish incarnation of zoom

so if they're fusing the two characters, which they kinda seem to be (since just zoom would be another 'man in yellow' really), then the 'death' aspect of the black flash side makes me think that maybe something happened to eddie's body when it got sucked into the breach (a breach made/inherently touched by the flash/speed force, remember) that turned him into this twisted shadow speedster hellbent on destroying the man who forever made him the silver medal in life. he wants to be THE BEST. THE ONE. THE ONLY. there's a bit in one of the trailers too where barry yells at him "you wanna be *me*? you wanna be a hero?" which also fits pretty well. maybe the creation of zoom is what happened to jay's speed. speedster goes into the breach at the same time as eddie's body does, speedster comes out without his speed... so what happened to it?

am i grasping at straws here or is this a pretty solid theory?
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Old 10-18-2015, 08:00 AM   #211
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i think zoom is eddie tbh. i don't know how convinced i am of my own theory but at the moment that's where i'm leaning, idk. really don't want it to be earth-2 wells. that'd be boring. i suspect he is probably not gonna be as creepy as he seemed; would be good to have a good wells around this season. whatever, i am making predictions and they'll probably be wrong, this is why i never post

anyway, the reason i think it's eddie (if it's not someone we've never met before, which is a solid possibility too i guess) is that this is a pretty "black flash"ish incarnation of zoom

so if they're fusing the two characters, which they kinda seem to be (since just zoom would be another 'man in yellow' really), then the 'death' aspect of the black flash side makes me think that maybe something happened to eddie's body when it got sucked into the breach (a breach made/inherently touched by the flash/speed force, remember) that turned him into this twisted shadow speedster hellbent on destroying the man who forever made him the silver medal in life. he wants to be THE BEST. THE ONE. THE ONLY. there's a bit in one of the trailers too where barry yells at him "you wanna be *me*? you wanna be a hero?" which also fits pretty well. maybe the creation of zoom is what happened to jay's speed. speedster goes into the breach at the same time as eddie's body does, speedster comes out without his speed... so what happened to it?

am i grasping at straws here or is this a pretty solid theory?
Eddie died 6 months ago, Jay Garrick's been fighting Zoom for almost 2 years, so unless it's Earth-2 Eddie, this is impossible.

I don't think it's any version of Eddie anyway. Leaning towards completely new guy, but Earth-2 Harrison Wells being creepy makes me wonder. But as you said, this would be boring.
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Old 10-18-2015, 10:49 AM   #212
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I find it interesting that Jay Garrick had been the Flash for roughly the same amount of time as Barry
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Old 10-18-2015, 05:42 PM   #213
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Eddie died 6 months ago, Jay Garrick's been fighting Zoom for almost 2 years, so unless it's Earth-2 Eddie, this is impossible.

I don't think it's any version of Eddie anyway. Leaning towards completely new guy, but Earth-2 Harrison Wells being creepy makes me wonder. But as you said, this would be boring.
the entire first season was about time travel

there were literally three barrys at the scene of his mother's death. it's not out of the realm of possibility that zoom is fast enough to break time. so it's not "impossible", thank you
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It could be an Earth 2 Eddie anyway.

I'm all for that theory, but as long as I get me some qualityTom Cavanagh I should be good.
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Old 10-18-2015, 05:54 PM   #215
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there were literally three barrys at the scene of his mother's death. it's not out of the realm of possibility that zoom is fast enough to break time. so it's not "impossible", thank you
Oh, gimme a break. So you think not only did Eddie survive due to some supernatural shit but he also travelled in time to become Zoom? Your theory sucks, you are welcome.
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Old 10-18-2015, 07:09 PM   #216
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Zoom kinda looks like Xorn... maybe he is really Magneto....
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Oh, gimme a break. So you think not only did Eddie survive due to some supernatural shit but he also travelled in time to become Zoom? Your theory sucks, you are welcome.
no, a-hole, that is not what i said. i said he became zoom in the breach, and that by virtue of being an ultra-fast speedster, he'd be able to run fast enough to travel back in time to "first appear" two years ago

did you even watch the first season
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and i don't think he survived. i think he was resurrected.
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i rly hope that's not the last villainous appearance for captain cold. love his dynamic with barry and want to see him lead a proper rogues job with more than just heatwave and/or his sister at least once before he goes good guy for legends of tomorrow
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Lol Wentworth Miller is the worst. It's beyond just cheesy acting now. He's full on awful.
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I mean, the show itself is like 90% Camembert, and for his first few appearances I figured he was just embracing that. But every line he delivered in this episode was just terrible.

I don't remember him being quite so bad on Prison Break, but I guess I was like 17 when I watched that so probably didn't care too much.
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Old 10-28-2015, 01:35 AM   #222
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King Shark looked pretty sweet.... too bad they probably didn't have the budget to actually give him a full episode....
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Old 11-04-2015, 01:20 PM   #224
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That Hawgirl actress is just so horribly ugly.

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She is a notable One Tree Hill Alumni. Please move this post to the correct thread in the mma forum.
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Don't see it being Earth 2 Barry but maybe Eddie. Been thinking that Earth 2 Barry could be Cobalt Blue if he was to show up in the series. Eobard would be the most logical to me.

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I was thinking earth 2 Barry as well maybe have the wrong Barry start season 3 but then i started wondering about Jay as well. Jay and Zoom sharing the same body but being two distinct people which would explain Jay never being able to Defeat Zoom. Just a way for Caitlin to lose someone she cares about yet again.
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Doesn't explain the fights between the two on Earth 2. I was going to go with Eddie as well but the actor is on Quantico as well, so I think it's someone else entirely.
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What if it is just Hunter Zolomon.... Doesn't necessarily need to be "someone"....
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What if Zoom is Iris's unknown brother? Jealous because Barry got his life.
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nah wally west has been cast as a specific person, def not zoom

imo my eddie theory got given a decent shot in the arm

- he knows who barry's ex is, having apparently never actually met barry or earth-1 flash to be *able* to know that without having, well, met him before
- his "i will not die" line was very black flash; still feel like his 'corpse'/'demon' look is pretty strongly evocative of some connection to death

plus the cobalt blue connection, who wasn't a speedster in his own right but 'stole' speed from others, which jay said happened to him, and cobalt blue was barry's twin brother malcolm thawne, who was pretty widely accepted as the general basis for the eddie character, bearing in mind that eddie already shares similarities with hunter zolomon too.

basically, zoom ii + black flash + cobalt blue = cw zoom, and all of that, since cw zoom is clearly not "just" zoom, makes me think it's not hugely likely to be hunter zolomon, but rather someone we *do* know, someone who shares a buttload of traits with all the characters that seem to have influenced the way this incarnation of zoom has taken shape

but whatever sixx will probably just tell me i am being stupid again
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You're being stupid again.
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Nah, but to be honest, I just think he's gonna be his own man. Then again, I don't really think about this much, we will see.
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i'm definitely not *ruling out* that he ends up just being hunter zolomon or someone else entirely or whatever; i just think the other thing would be cool/plausible in terms of continuity and what they've set up is all
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