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View Poll Results: Are you a fan of the World Heavyweight Championship? | |||
Yes | 10 | 38.46% | |
No | 1 | 3.85% | |
It's secondary to the WWE title and that's how it is going to be for the rest of eternity | 14 | 53.85% | |
Other | 1 | 3.85% | |
Voters: 26. You must log in or register to vote on this poll. |
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07-21-2013, 04:22 PM | #1 |
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The declining prestige of the World Heavyweight Championship
As a huge fan of the World Heavyweight Championship, I would love to see it at an equal footing with the WWE Championship like before.
It has been over three years since a World Heavyweight Championship match main-evented / closed a pay-per-view. The last time it preceded a WWE Championship match was back in 2012 at the Elimination Chamber ppv, where Daniel Bryan successfully defended the belt in an Elimination Chamber match. However, the match did not close the show as it was followed by a United States title match and an Ambulance match that featured Kane and John Cena. The last time the belt closed a show was at Hell in a Cell 2010 where Kane defeated the Undertaker inside the Hell in a Cell structure in order to retain the title. Ever since 2011 / Edge's final reign as World Heavyweight Champion, the belt has found itself in the midcard or opening bouts at pay-per-views with rare appearances in main event programs. Over the years, the pecking order was made clear on the programming. Not to mention, the closing segment from last week's RAW where Alberto Del Rio was a possible contender for John Cena's WWE Championship and many "Champion versus Champion" matches where the WWE Champion would go over the World Heavyweight Champion on almost all occasions. (skip to 6:50) Discuss and share your opinions on the declining status of the World Heavyweight Championship. Talk about future possibilities like unification, retirement, comeback etc. |
07-21-2013, 04:25 PM | #2 |
Quark is Less Impressed.
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The prestige usually follows what brand the title is on. When it was Raw exclusive it was the premier title and seemed to mean more than the WWE Championship. It all depends on who is carrying the tilte and how the matches are. Right now they have a strong champion and challenger in Del Rio and Ziggler and have had some great matches. It's still going to be second fiddle to the end of eternity since the brand split is gone which is the way it always should have been.
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07-21-2013, 04:37 PM | #3 |
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I distinctly remember when CM Punk had it on the flagship show - Monday Night RAW where he never got a chance to main event a pay-per-view. However, he main evented three consecutive pay-per-views as champion on Smackdown.
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07-21-2013, 04:42 PM | #4 |
Quark is Less Impressed.
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Punk only won that first World Title just so the belt could stay exclusive to Raw. They needed the belt off Edge.
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07-21-2013, 04:53 PM | #5 |
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I hear you. He did hold on to the strap for 3-odd months before not losing it to Jericho at Unforgiven. They clearly didn't have an idea as to what they wanted to do with him.
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07-21-2013, 05:03 PM | #6 |
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Money in the Bank has played a huge part in decreasing the value of the belt, since they use it to attempt to elevate a wrestler from the midcard to the upper midcard/main event rather than building them up first, and then giving them the briefcase when they're ready. Even more-so since it became two MitB cases per year and not just the one at Wrestlemania. Just looked at the list of winners then and I'd say only Kane was a legit Main Eventer who cashed in on the WHC belt, and even that's pretty debatable give how much he flip flopped around the card in the years prior to winning it. Punk, for all he's worth now was probably given it a little too early in his career, although it's obviously not hurt him, he wasn't a main eventer at that point in time. Ditto Daniel Bryan.
Now the current holder is Sandow, who while great, is no doubt a midcarder and has been for pretty much his entire time in WWE. It's lazy booking by WWE really to try and make a main eventer by giving them the case. Either that or they probably just don't really care and they just see a potential storyline to go with in the short term and work out the rest as they go along. |
07-21-2013, 05:38 PM | #7 |
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Triple H should return full time and be determined to bring back prestige to the World Heavyweight Championship. Then, you build up Dolph or Cody Rhodes to beat him for the title at WrestleMania XXX. I really want to see Ziggler/HHH or Rhodes/HHH.
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07-21-2013, 05:43 PM | #8 | |
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07-21-2013, 05:46 PM | #9 |
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Holy shit, that is one hell of a 6-man tag team match. I need to find the entire match.
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07-21-2013, 06:03 PM | #10 |
Fire up Chips!
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other is the best option here.
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07-21-2013, 06:50 PM | #11 |
the low Art Gloominati
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R-V-D can give it that high it needs.
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07-21-2013, 11:04 PM | #12 |
Wrestling Marks Rejoice!
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"Does anyone get as high as Rob Van Dam?"
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07-21-2013, 11:22 PM | #13 |
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07-21-2013, 11:27 PM | #14 |
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I didn't help that after Kane won the title the WWE flat out said it was second to the WWE title.
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07-21-2013, 11:33 PM | #15 |
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Triple H holding it pretty much ruined it right there
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07-21-2013, 11:55 PM | #16 |
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07-22-2013, 12:48 AM | #17 |
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I like what the World Heavyweight Title is actually. I still consider it a World title, but it is secondary to WWE Title.
To me, it is a title that WWE can give to guys who are on the cusp of being a Main Eventer, and see if they can be a legitimate champion. If they can hold their own as WHC, they can show that they are the real deal. It is almost like a World Title where you can test guys out with. |
07-22-2013, 12:54 AM | #18 |
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So it's basically like the Intercontinental title.
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07-22-2013, 04:15 AM | #19 | |
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It's the same thing with the title, it comes down to how its booked not the placement on the card. Look at RVDs run with the ECW TV belt, it was the recognized secondary title but the way it was booked it rivalled or exceeded the prestige of their world title. |
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07-22-2013, 08:48 AM | #20 |
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With the brand split no more, it will always be the second title behind the WWE title, the problem is that it is SO far behind it at times it may as well be a mid card title. I tend to see it as a sort of #1 contender title for the WWE title. Punk won the World title before being given the WWE title, possibly the same will happen with Bryan.
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07-22-2013, 10:44 AM | #21 |
Narc stole my star
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It only looks good when a big muscley guy holds it.
Looks weird on teh midgets like Punk and Bryan. |
07-22-2013, 10:52 AM | #22 |
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07-22-2013, 12:59 PM | #23 |
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Personally, I think we've exhausted this topic over the course of the last few months and there's not much else to add.
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07-22-2013, 01:07 PM | #24 |
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I would appreciate a Noid post.
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07-22-2013, 04:38 PM | #25 |
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It hasn't had much of a purpose since the end of the brand split, and probably a few years prior when they stopped having brand-specific PPVs.
I'd be cool with just the IC and WWE titles again (and tag and divas obv), at least it would mean a hell of a lot more if someone wins it. Think of the PRESTIIIIIIIGE. |
07-22-2013, 10:49 PM | #26 |
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I actually like the idea of Triple H winning the title again, if just to drop it off to Damien Sandow, Cody Rhodes or Dolph Ziggler very shortly thereafter. It would get people interested in the championship. Brock Lesnar winning the title would also not be a disaster. I'd have gone with Daniel Bryan as World Heavyweight Champion until he became a lock for the WWE Championship match at SummerSlam.
With the brand split essentially becoming non-existent, the World Heavyweight Title finds it even harder to find prestige. It's still sold as a World Championship, and I am grateful for that, but it kind of doesn't make sense. There should only be one. Creatively, I would not mind it if Vickie Guerrero, in an attempt to establish herself as the greatest General Manager of all-time, signed Alberto Del Rio to an exclusive SmackDown contract and ensured that all challengers for the World Heavyweight Title must be SmackDown-exclusive talent. Dolph Ziggler feels like he has something to prove against Del Rio still? Sign on the dotted line and become a blue brand exclusive guy. Vickie could sign Damien Sandow to an exclusive contract and then dangle a shot at Sandow's briefcase in front of Cody Rhodes if he signs an exclusive SD contact, as well. Christian could sign on for "one more match." That's just in my dream world where the brand extension comes back. I loved the draft and such. I thought it was good for keeping talent separate. |
07-23-2013, 03:51 AM | #27 |
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I do like it but that doesn't mean I always care about it. Think the last time I gave a shit about it was 2010, when Kane had a nice run with it.
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06-15-2017, 04:38 AM | #28 |
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I miss the big gold belt. The Universal title doesn't do anything for me.
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06-15-2017, 06:16 AM | #29 |
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My views on the World Championship have changed so much over the years. I used to be a lot more naive and didn't really engage with the problem properly. And it can really be solved by looking back at the last sentence of this post: the World Championship. You can't have two.
Being the World Champion is the answer to the question "Who is the best in the world?". You cannot have two answers to that question. If you do, then what you really have are contenders. They need to fight to crown a champion. It really is that simple. Brock Lesnar -- god that he is -- cannot be considered a true World Champion until he squashes Jinder Mahal for that belt. By the end of the World Heavyweight Championship's tenure in WWE, it was being ignored when the title histories of many wrestlers were given on WWE television. How often did the commentators talk about Daniel Bryan's World Heavyweight Championship run? Or CM Punk's three World Heavyweight Championship runs. In fact, the WWE ignored WWE Title reigns each man had -- the first one for Punk and the first two for Bryan. They will put either belt on anybody and therefore there is no suspense in who gets it. They've watered down their greatest tool for storytelling. |
06-16-2017, 06:12 AM | #30 |
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I don't understand the "Universal Championship" moniker. I thought Mike Tyson was already the reigning, defending champion of the universe, but maybe I missed something.
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06-16-2017, 06:28 AM | #31 | |
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06-16-2017, 09:32 AM | #32 |
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I'd be fine with Raw and SmackDown having their own World Championship if they were truly treated like separate, competing promotions. In the first brand split they went to great lengths to have the two rosters never interact aside from the Royal Rumble for a few years.
But it's dumb as fuck seeing the brands promote what the other show is doing. It kills the immersion that they are actually competing. |
06-16-2017, 09:55 AM | #33 |
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The only way it MIGHT have been okay to have the two titles is if the brand split stuck the first time around. Now it's just a muddled mess and neither title feels like it has a clear history to build prestige off of.
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06-16-2017, 11:04 PM | #34 |
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They should be two COMPLETELY separate entities if each is going to have a World Title. But considering they both exist on the USA Network and promote each other, it's just counterproductive. Imagine being a new fan just coming into wrestling and trying to wrap your head around that.
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06-16-2017, 11:36 PM | #35 |
2 Dicks out for Trips
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Universal title is fucking dumb. WCW belt will always be the best looking title. Classic never dies, bring it back.
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06-18-2017, 12:12 AM | #36 |
Quark is Less Impressed.
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WM4 to WM14 is the best belt. They shouldn't bring it back though because nobody is worthy of it.
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06-23-2017, 07:44 AM | #37 |
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Would like to see Brock Lesnar with an IWGP style belt. That would be pretty.
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06-23-2017, 07:53 AM | #38 |
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I remember when Kevin Owens won the Universal title, he was trying to justify the win as if he won the WWE Championship same as Shawn Michaels
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06-26-2017, 06:21 AM | #39 |
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Jericho standing next to Owens saying that he had held every title besides the US Title was pretty funny too.
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06-28-2017, 04:29 PM | #40 |
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