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Old 03-02-2009, 12:15 AM   #601
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They shouldn't have made it so good then. Fuck.

Also, anyone ever play the original Street Fighter and get all the way to Sagat? What is with his fucked up knees? They are like almost at his ankles in that game.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:25 AM   #602
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god i really want to play this. of course i'd have to buy an xbox 360 and an awesome tv but still.
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They shouldn't have made it so good then. Fuck.

Also, anyone ever play the original Street Fighter and get all the way to Sagat? What is with his fucked up knees? They are like almost at his ankles in that game.
I fucking hate that game. Capcom are such ubborn fucking retards when it comes to that game, too.

Ok trhere is a ninja in street fighter, with a three pronged claw. And there is a ninja in street fighter II with a three pronged claw. But they are differnt characters.

There is a tall black boxer in street fighter named Mike. There is tall black boxer in street fighter II whose FUCKING NAME IS M. BISON BUT THEY AE DIFFERENT CHARACTERS

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE
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god i really want to play this. of course i'd have to buy an xbox 360 and an awesome tv but still.
You can always just beat the shit out of people in real life instead.
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I personally don't think Nintendo ever intended smash bros. to be taken as seriously as some people do.
That's almost certain, given their philosophy.
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They need to make that ninja outfit an alternate for Vega, somewhere down the line.
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They need to make that ninja outfit an alternate for Vega, somewhere down the line.
That would be cool. I firmly believe Mike to be Balrog. Lee is Yun and Yang's uncle and Gen's buddy. Fans want to believe the Ninja is Ibuki's father (which isn't so crazy a though), and perhaps Vega learned some ninja skills from his clan?

Seriously, the characters in Street Fighter probably weren't made with any future plots in mind.
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You can always just beat the shit out of people in real life instead.
i would have to do it in the uk. at least they can't deport me from there.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:43 AM   #609
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That would be cool. I firmly believe Mike to be Balrog. Lee is Yun and Yang's uncle and Gen's buddy. Fans want to believe the Ninja is Ibuki's father (which isn't so crazy a though), and perhaps Vega learned some ninja skills from his clan?

Seriously, the characters in Street Fighter probably weren't made with any future plots in mind.
That's fine, but the fact that they made ridiculously similar characters afterwards, and said "nah, they're different" seems incredibly stupid and lazy. It's like they said "hmmmmm should we make this ninja trhe same one as in street fighter II? Nah then we'd have to say where he's been and why he's back. Let's just say that he's spanish, and it's someone else. Alright, high five!"
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A similar creation process went down between Soul Edge and Soul Calibur, although originals came back anyway.
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I've got HD Remix, I know all about it. It was more like a "WAHT?!? " sort ot response.

And yeah, For Brawl, all the top tier melee characters were nerfed to shit. For example, Captain Falcon's balance was that yeah, he's retardedly fast (movement-wise) and powerful, but most of his best attacks are pretty slow. Now he's got slightly better than average speed and strength, his range was shortened and his attacks are still slow.

It's like rather than balance everyone properly, they just crapped on the good characters and Sakurai's original characters get way better treatment. Plus tripping every 4 seconds is like punishment for being good at the game. Tourney fags are just that (fags), but they have a point. It's like Nintendo did everything it could to kill competition in the game.
No wavedashes in Brawl makes me sad
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I never got into wave dashing.
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No matter how much they try to dumb down Smash Bros. Its STILL immensely deep and competitive. You still gotta remember that in Melee the Wave dash was a mere glitch that in some ways (in my opinion) broke the game. However it only favored a handful of characters Greatly boosting their specific attributes (Fox, Marth, Falco etc.) while the rest of the other characters simply couldn't compare. This turned the game upside down. You would only see people use Fox, Falco, Marth, C.Falcon in tourneys or high level play which led to boring match ups (everyone using the same characters against each other. You Wouldn't dare pick Bowser or anyone else who didn't benefit from this accidental feature because you will not win no matter how skilled you are. It fuckin pisses me how people complain that everything got nerfed in Brawl. Brawl is way more balanced than Melee and every character stands a fighting chance now. That is all
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That's the thing tho. I am not a tourney fag. I basically only play against my brothers and a few friends. And none of us wave dash. Of course we all know about the tiers of characters, and we all have our favourites (some high tier, some not), but we don't make use of glitches. We play on pure skill.

I take issue with Brawl because of stupid shit like tripping all the time and the forced smash ball. I have had matches (most of my matches are triple threats with my brothers) where literally I trip 3 consective times in 5 seconds. Move, trip, get up, move, trip, get up, move trip yet again. How the fuck is that supposed to be fun? All it means s that you can be a button mashing tard and still win because the skilled guy trips at crappy times. It'd be nice if they'd patched in the option to turn off the smash ball and tripping.
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Also, what they did to characters like Bowser was good. Can totally play and win with him now. He was fun before, but now he's good too. What they did to guys like Marth was good too. Changed up a couple of moves to increase his effectiveness while toning down his power. Balanced.

What they did to Falcon was bullshit. He was balanced, albeit in a very fucked up way, but he had weaknesses to go with the retarded power and speed (slow attack speed and crappy low attack, as his downward smash is a sideways attack). The only improvements he got were not Raptor Boosting off cliffs and the turning ability added to the Falcon Punch.
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I actually find the tripping mechanic hilarious. Particularly if someone is playing Sonic. I can't hate on it, though - that's like hating on Mario Kart for having obstacles on the track. We've had races where - no bullshit - somebody would go from 1st to 10th place in the blink of an eye (mostly me).

Given the option to eliminate all the wacky stuff and make Mario Kart a 'legit racing game', I wouldn't. I have a lot of other racing game options for that sort of thing. Perhaps the grand mistake was crafting Smash into something it wasn't. Don't get me wrong, no items on Final Destination is still a good workout for me, but we should embrace some wacky stuff every now and then. Smash is still the best brawl game out there, unless Capcom steps up with Power Stone 3.
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How can you complain about that type of balancing from another game in a street fighter thread? That's all they seem to to in SF now (not a comlaint, I don't mind it)
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Funky Fly: The tripping issues can annoying but there are ways around it, such as short hopping and special moves that propel your character forward. You CAN turn off the Smash Ball just go to the item switch menu and switch it off, its that simple.
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I actually find the tripping mechanic hilarious. Particularly if someone is playing Sonic. I can't hate on it, though - that's like hating on Mario Kart for having obstacles on the track. We've had races where - no bullshit - somebody would go from 1st to 10th place in the blink of an eye (mostly me).

Given the option to eliminate all the wacky stuff and make Mario Kart a 'legit racing game', I wouldn't. I have a lot of other racing game options for that sort of thing. Perhaps the grand mistake was crafting Smash into something it wasn't. Don't get me wrong, no items on Final Destination is still a good workout for me, but we should embrace some wacky stuff every now and then. Smash is still the best brawl game out there, unless Capcom steps up with Power Stone 3.
Fair enough. Just give me the option to turn it off. Like items. They're not forced on you, so why this?
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Literally, when you move your guy will trip and fall on his ass at random. Can completely fuck you over too. "Oh hey my guy feel down go boom! OH HAI THERE MR FLASHING BOBOMB, FANCY SEEING U HERE ^ . ^*!!!!!!!!"
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Pokemon ??
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The first one was fairly competitive too.
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That Fierce Kick - Sweep isn't a Ken thing, that's for almost everybody. The most annoying thing from Ken users is the all consuming Fierce Shoryuken, but you can see it coming most of the time. I like to think my Ken breaks the trend.

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Which is funny, because it's so hardcore when two people know what they're doing. It's non-Nintendo.
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You guys are right, RoXers good.

Dan V Dan fights are immense, however.
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I only do player matches, and almost always encounter people who play everyone. Sagat, Ryu, Ken , and Akuma are top tier, so naturallyyou are going to face a lot of them in ranked, from people who don't want to lose their spot at 3562 on the leaderboards.
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Tier lists. Bah. I remember Taki being called low tier in SC4.

Your comment about tourny guys being fags is accurate, because tier lists almost always point out characters that have the most exploitable mechanics - and they love that for some 'playing to win' bullshit philosophy. Me and my guys have a closer 'honor play' style of sessions, and we don't care for tiers.

There's people who don't even main a character unless they're known to be top-tier beforehand. I have automatic no-respect for players like that (>>> SRK community).
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SRK= Fail. They have threads on how to get through trial mode with certain characters, which is very stupid.
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I think the balance on a lot of people in SF4 is actually right. Take Sagat out of the equation (if they're not going to properly fix him, they need to at least give him an Akuma like power bar.) then I would say Cammy, Balrog, Guile and Gouken could easily compete with any of them.

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SRK= Fail. They have threads on how to get through trial mode with certain characters, which is very stupid.
Most of those guys are lame sauce. I still catch myself touring the forums looking for a good topic. Even if I find something worth discussing, it won't go a single page before some ignorant elitist jackass comes in talking about stupid shit like tiers and single frame link combos. I'm not saying deep mechanics are off limits, but these things make or break the game for them - and I know it can't be that serious for them in play.
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I made some guy disconnect for the first time in this game. I had Ken and he had Honda and he bailed at the end of the second round. It was a Player Match for God's sake! He could have learned a thing or two. lol Lame.
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I think the balance on a lot of people in SF4 is actually right. Take Sagat out of the equation (if they're not going to properly fix him, they need to at least give him an Akuma like power bar.) then I would say Cammy, Balrog, Guile and Gouken could easily compete with any of them.

I need the video function now. I want to up a video of mine and RoXers Dan pose-down. Even wasted a super bar on his super taunt

The balance is great. You see, tier lists are based on how the best players in the world playwith each character. Retards online see tier lists and pick the top guys, not realizing that for someone who isn't one of the best players in the world, tier lists are useless.
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