09-02-2017, 08:45 PM | #81 | |
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In terms of comparisons with Hogan, Cena usually wrestled more on TV in a year than Hogan did over the course of several years. Do agree about the stuff regarding him having little to no control over how Creative handles his losses afterwards. For example, Nakamura beating Cena for the #1 contender spot on Smackdown should have been treated as a rub by Cena to Nakamura's eventual title win at SummerSlam. Instead Nakamura lost to Jinder in the usual fashion and decreased the value of Cena's loss earlier. |
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09-02-2017, 08:59 PM | #82 |
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I hated that they made Cena look invulnerable after taking a beating for so long. His awful matches with Randy Orton were the worst that way. It's not as if Cena didn't know how to sell, he did/does and is actually pretty good at it.
I just wanted to see him sell match-injuries after the match. |
09-02-2017, 09:01 PM | #83 |
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For sure. I think that hurt him w fans.
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09-02-2017, 09:06 PM | #84 |
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Remember when they made a smark Chicago crowd go from hating Cena to going crazy for him when he came back to beat Lesnar at Extreme Rules? It was amazing.
Then they followed it up by having him lose to John Laurinaitis the next month... |
09-02-2017, 09:10 PM | #85 |
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Well he doesnt lose to lesnar then he loses to laurenatis that just insults peoples intelligence
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09-02-2017, 09:39 PM | #86 |
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Did Cena job left and right? I seem to remember him being frustratingly well protected. I'd probably make more of a case for protecting him now, because wins and losses do matter (and for those saying booking is a large part of the problem -- that is a large part of booking), if the timing of his elevation was right. He felt really jammed in there at the time, and I remember being off the Cena train well before he was originally given the title and had as long a reign as JBL.
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09-02-2017, 09:41 PM | #87 |
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Also the fact that hes having a match with laurenatis is also bad booking in itself
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09-02-2017, 09:45 PM | #88 |
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Laurinaitis showing up at Money in the Bank 2011 was fine. There should have been no more after that.
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09-02-2017, 10:01 PM | #89 | |
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Don't get me wrong, it's not the SOLE reason. His booking has been shitty outside of that. But having him job so much is absolutely the biggest fuck up. Reigns jobs a lot for a top face, too. They made some mistakes early with him that fucked up his character but then it's like they tried to get people on his side by making him take a lot of "harmless" losses and it's just a retarded strategy. Your top face looking weak half the time and then winning a "big one" here and there doesn't endear people to him. Basically, it's the 50/50 bullshit. The effects are just more noticable with the guys who are being shoved down people's throats as the major stars even though they lose about as much as they win. |
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09-03-2017, 12:51 AM | #90 | |
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Then, from there, it was the Cena-only show. No one got to successfully be a decent star on their own. Anyone who comes close got their legs chopped out from under them, be it by Cena's ego, shit booking, or a combination. Seriously, They didn't make Big Bossman look like an idiot during Hulkamania. They didn't make Savage look stupid (well, apart from those two Royal Rumble flubs he did). Foley wasn't made to be a complete buffoon while Austin was on top (he had goofy moments, but wasn't made to look like he couldn't beat his meat). |
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09-03-2017, 02:10 AM | #91 |
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I agree that 50/50 booking is a problem, but Cena was protected better than most. Between when he won the WWE Title in 2005 and when he went out with the injury in late 2007, his PPV record was 25-6, with two of those losses being DQ, one of them being the Edge cash-in, the other the RVD cash-in at ONS 2, another being Edge (Cena would definitively win the feud) and the other being a multi-man match. At WrestleMania, Cena would be 4-0 and would make both Triple H and Shawn Michaels tap at WrestleMania.
I'm not saying booking has always been perfect, but Cena was pushed pretty hard. I don't think a harder push would have helped him. |
09-03-2017, 02:33 AM | #92 |
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Once he got drafted to Raw he started losing pretty consistently on television. Was he protected better than most? For that first couple years at least, yeah. But your top guy SHOULD be winning more than most. That's what justifies him being a top guy. He was still being made to look vulnerable by taking losses every month on Raw to build to PPV. That works for an underdog character (though underdog characters generally don't have a long shelf-life as a top face). It doesn't work for a guy like Cena or Rock or Reigns.
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09-03-2017, 07:57 AM | #93 |
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I`d hardly say he ruined it. He helped, he was on top during a slump. It`d be like saying Bret Hart harmed WWE because he was on top during the steroid scandal.
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09-03-2017, 08:50 AM | #94 | |
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09-03-2017, 09:36 PM | #95 | |
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09-04-2017, 03:37 AM | #96 | |
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But that's not Cena's fault. There are very few guys who can turn it on and be at that level. After consistently being pushed for about 8 years, I think Cena started to get it. Plus, there was that cathartic release with Brock Lesnar kicking his ass. I think that took out of a lot of the frustrations people had. |
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