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Old 10-07-2017, 09:57 PM   #1
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Here's my Top 3. My criteria is that they disappointed me personally as well as dropped the ball.

Glacier- not really a "push", but they hyped the hell out of that guy. Great example of WCW wasting a ton of money for pretty much no benefit to them. I remember expecting something really special there and being so disappointed.

Vickie Guerrero- tell me why we turned the widow of a wonderful wrestler into a terrible heel while humiliating her on a weekly basis. The nude photoshoot still makes me feel ill, not because she was unattractive, but because she was made to look awful by her own employer. She was not good at her job, people just hated listening to her voice.

Test- RIP. Generic look, terrible in the ring, no charisma. Biggest accomplishment was being in The Union with Foley and the Rock. Felt like he was pushed only because he was kind of tall.


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Old 10-07-2017, 10:14 PM   #2
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Old 10-07-2017, 11:20 PM   #3
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Here's my Top 3. My criteria is that they disappointed me personally as well as dropped the ball.

Glacier- not really a "push", but they hyped the hell out of that guy. Great example of WCW wasting a ton of money for pretty much no benefit to them. I remember expecting something really special there and being so disappointed.

Vickie Guerrero- tell me why we turned the widow of a wonderful wrestler into a terrible heel while humiliating her on a weekly basis. The nude photoshoot still makes me feel ill, not because she was unattractive, but because she was made to look awful by her own employer. She was not good at her job, people just hated listening to her voice.

Test- RIP. Generic look, terrible in the ring, no charisma. Biggest accomplishment was being in The Union with Foley and the Rock. Felt like he was pushed only because he was kind of tall.
I agree with Test and Glacier, but Vickie was the best heel in a decade. She was a heat magnet
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Old 10-07-2017, 11:23 PM   #4
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As someone who has watched way more 1980's/very early 90's WWF wrestling than I care to admit, the 1990 push of Dino Bravo was the worst
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Old 10-07-2017, 11:33 PM   #6
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Oh, yeah, Balor is a modern one. I mean, you can make that case for anyone who really gets pushed out the gate, because what is "deserving" in that case? But using the term liberally and by looking at whether or not the lead-in or the aftermath lived up to it, then Balor definitely makes the list.
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Old 10-07-2017, 11:33 PM   #7
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Khali really just got pushed because he was big and Indian. But by default that makes him a little better than Mahal, because at least he was big.
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:14 AM   #10
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Gunn did enough to deserve a try at a singles run. He just failed at it.
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:23 AM   #11
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I agree with Test and Glacier, but Vickie was the best heel in a decade. She was a heat magnet
She got boos. I thought it was because of how terrible she was and not because she was an effective heel.

Could be wrong, but it always seemed like she had that "xpac heat" people used to talk about all the time.
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:25 AM   #12
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Gunn did enough to deserve a try at a singles run. He just failed at it.
He had been part of a successful tag team and was a solid C+ wrassler with no business near the top.
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:29 AM   #13
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I'm using a broad definition of "undeserved".

You could make the case that a lot of company guys who gave a lot to the business "deserve" a push, but really the fans are ultimately the deciding factor. The fans were not clamoring for MORE Billy Gunn and his reaction from the start of that 99 run was awful.

He could not get anybody to care or even buy him as a threat to The Rock. So I'd say the push was undeserved.
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:37 AM   #14
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Agree with Gertner on Vickie.

Tadao Yasuda and Kazuyuki Fujita in New Japan Pro Wrestling.

Neither could work for shit, but were given the IWGP Heavyweight Title anyway, because New Japan was trying to capitalize on the MMA boom of the early 2000's but fans shit all over it. That combined with the Lesnar debacle sent the company into a nose dive that it still hasn't recovered from, even with it's current resurgence.
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She got boos. I thought it was because of how terrible she was and not because she was an effective heel.

Could be wrong, but it always seemed like she had that "xpac heat" people used to talk about all the time.
It was definitely not X-Pac heat. She got the loudest boos during that promo with Cena that I've ever heard before.
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He failed misrably during that program with the Rock
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Agree with Gertner on Vickie.

Tadao Yasuda and Kazuyuki Fujita in New Japan Pro Wrestling.

Neither could work for shit, but were given the IWGP Heavyweight Title anyway, because New Japan was trying to capitalize on the MMA boom of the early 2000's but fans shit all over it. That combined with the Lesnar debacle sent the company into a nose dive that it still hasn't recovered from, even with it's current resurgence.
Can someone give or direct me to a run down of this? I had no idea Lesnar in NJPW was a huge disaster.
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He basically squashed everyone with the eventual plan being to have Tanahashi stepping up to slay the beast. But then he vacated the title due to visa issues, leaving no pay off and everyone in new japan looking like chumps. Lesnar kept the physical belt and had a unification match against Angle who was the IWGP champ at the time....which still left New Japan looking bad since it was a TNA guy who eventually beat him.
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:25 AM   #21
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Old 10-08-2017, 02:52 PM   #22
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He basically squashed everyone with the eventual plan being to have Tanahashi stepping up to slay the beast. But then he vacated the title due to visa issues, leaving no pay off and everyone in new japan looking like chumps. Lesnar kept the physical belt and had a unification match against Angle who was the IWGP champ at the time....which still left New Japan looking bad since it was a TNA guy who eventually beat him.
Yeah, but at least it was Kurt Angle. Still shitty though that they didn't get the big match.
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Old 10-08-2017, 03:48 PM   #25
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Enzo is at least a great promo. He's fucking crushing on 205 Live right now.
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:15 PM   #26
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Yeah, there might be a lot of IWC people that don't like him, but the dude is over as fuck, and I don't blame the WWE for putting the title on him to inject some life into 205 live.
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:24 PM   #27
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as I've said before, I loved that finish versus Neville. It's the only logical way Enzo could beat someone of Neville's calibre and it made sense.
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Undeserved push?

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She got boos. I thought it was because of how terrible she was and not because she was an effective heel.

Could be wrong, but it always seemed like she had that "xpac heat" people used to talk about all the time.
She was the only person to make me change the channel every single time she was on. She was not a good heal to me, she was unbearable.
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:39 PM   #30
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Sorry Stickbro, but Vickie was a great heel.
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:41 PM   #31
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People are pretty polarized on Vickie's effectiveness. I give her MAD credit for going head first into a role she was not qualified for as a performer, but I personally could not keep the t.v. on when she was on-screen. But maybe you're more of a wrestling fan than I, ABT.
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:46 PM   #32
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Dunno what makes you say that last part, but she got really good. Maybe not at first.

Also, do you guys really just change the channel like that? How do you even know how long she's going to be on TV for a segment? Or maybe she was about to get interrupted by one of your favorites. Whether a show sucks or not, I stick with it all the way through. I always hear people say they change the channel or turn the TV off, and it sounds hilariously short-sighted to me.
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:48 PM   #33
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I gotta be honest Vickie pulled off her role beautifully

her grating voice deserves all the credit I lost bone density whenever she screamed
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:49 PM   #34
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For the first few years I think she was unbearable..... hated all the stuff with Edge....

I think it was maybe halfway through her run with Ziggler before I turned around on her and was like "you know what, she is a great heel...... but in saying that people love to hate her so much that all the heat is going onto her instead of to Ziggler"
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:51 PM   #36
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Let's not forget the Immunity Battle Royal. Wrestlemania moment. Also, that Love Her or Leave Her match was tight.
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Dunno what makes you say that last part, but she got really good. Maybe not at first.

Also, do you guys really just change the channel like that? How do you even know how long she's going to be on TV for a segment? Or maybe she was about to get interrupted by one of your favorites. Whether a show sucks or not, I stick with it all the way through. I always hear people say they change the channel or turn the TV off, and it sounds hilariously short-sighted to me.
Sorry I didn't actually mean that to be snarky.... I just find certain "wrestling" characters to just be too on the nose, and not be subtle enough and it actually just kills it for me. But that is kind of the lure of wrestling I guess, having over-the-top characters. I honestly do think you're a bigger wrestling fan than me because you enjoy it far more, and that's a good thing tbh. Would rather enjoy it than be as cynical about it as I am, but I can only enjoy what I like... knah mean?
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:54 PM   #38
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and also, you can turn the channel til that person is done, and change it back in hopes they're showing something you like.
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:56 PM   #39
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Old 10-08-2017, 07:04 PM   #40
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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead View Post
and also, you can turn the channel til that person is done, and change it back in hopes they're showing something you like.
You're bound to miss something that way. Would you ever turn off a movie because there was a boring part?
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