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Old 10-11-2017, 10:30 PM   #641
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:31 PM   #642
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Gertner made the Tank Abbott comparison with Owens and it's a fair one. You can book him as a worthless, fat fuck and he will come off as one. You can book him as a guy who doesn't look the part but is actually tough as shit and he'll come off that way, too. It's all about the presentation.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:43 PM   #643
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Old 10-15-2017, 12:53 AM   #644
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I go back and forth on Owens. The dude is such a good promo. So fucking good. He's also really good in the ring. But he does look like a normal dude. Dale and I got into it about Owens looking "tough." I think he looks like a geek. Something about his face and the way he is built just looks like "fat guy" as opposed to a "big guy." Like, Samoa Joe has got that aura of being a bad dude about him. Owens just doesn't have that. I'm sorry, he just doesn't.

Maybe it's also because he presents himself as eloquent and witty on the mic? If Owens presented himself like a dumber dude, I honestly think it would help him. Sheamus is another dude who I just think talks too damn much, even if he's good at it. Some dudes should just say one or two things and maybe spit at the camera a bit.

More problematic than Owens' weight, for me anyway, is his height. I can't remember who he was wrestling, but I saw him use a Stunner one week, and he had to jump to get it. It was kind of cute, honestly. I dunno, I just don't think the dude should be doing things that highlight how small he is.

And that's a problem to an extent. The dude is really small. Like, allegedly he was pushing for the Undertaker match that they gave to Shane, but it's like -- dude, for Taker to sell for you...

I dunno, is that too old-school? By the way, in kayfabe Shane is tough. Like, he's a wrestler. You can say he's not a wrestler, but to them he's a wrestler, and he's a bigger star than most of them. And doing the eye test, if you told me one was a wrestler and the other was the owner, and I knew nothing about WWE, I'd probably guess that Shane was the wrestler.

The gear is...fuck, I've always got a problem with wrestlers wearing non-wrestling gear. It just makes me think they think they're too cool to do what they're actually doing. I think it comes off as really insecure. I hate the jorts with Cena, the jeans for Ambrose, the swat gear for Reigns now. Like there's a time and place to dress like a gimmick, but they seem to indicate way too much with it now. If Austin were coming up today, would they have made him wrestle in the jeans too? Just give wrestlers wrestling gear, lol.

Buuuuut, Owens dressing the gimmick with the shirts and the shorts and stuff sort of suits him. Because he's so good as a personality he manages to breath himself into it a bit. I can kayfabe get why he brands himself "KO" and has the logo and stuff and the KO Mania shirts make total sense. But it's dangerously close to "fat kid doesn't want to take his shirt off at the pool," and they've really got to avoid that with him.

He's presented about as well as a dude with that look and gimmick can be. And he's so fucking good at talking. In another era, he probably wouldn't have made it as a wrestler, but he'd be a fantastic manager. Can you imagine him as a spoiled little fat kid talking shit? Holy shit.

But yeah, there are problems with Owens. Look, size and aura being the big ones, and there unfortunately ones you can't really change. I also don't think the dude is genuinely charismatic on that star level either. That's harder to gauge and stuff, but I think his Universal Title push would have gone better if he were. But he's always going to have some sort of value as a dude who can talk and as a solid hand because he seems to have incredible timing. I just don't get "main event bad-ass" from him.
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Old 10-15-2017, 02:13 AM   #645
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Old 10-15-2017, 04:40 AM   #646
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He's doesn't have huge star potential. He's not someone you revolve the company around. But again, he's good enough in the ring and on the mic AND he's got a unique enough look that he can be a huge asset. It's all in the presentation. If you book him like a big, sloppy, fatass loser, he will come off like that. If you book him like an ass-kicker who doesn't look the part, he will come off like that. They've just gotta pick one or the other and go all-out on it and never look back.

Maybe giving him a mouthpiece and not letting him work the mic as much like Noid said is key. It seems like a weird thing to do with a guy who is actually comfortable on the mic but maybe his style of promo is just not what you want when trying to present him the way he needs to be presented.
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Old 10-15-2017, 03:41 PM   #647
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I have no problem with Owens. He is gold on the mic and he can go in the ring. He is shorter than I would like and he has a terrible body but because he is fat he can get away with being short. He has a bully look and is good enough in the ring to counter that. Some of the short in shape guys don't look like believable ass kickers (Like Balor, Ambrose, Zayn), but because Owens has size he can overcome his manlet status.
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Old 10-15-2017, 04:50 PM   #648
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I have no problem with Owens. He is gold on the mic and he can go in the ring. He is shorter than I would like and he has a terrible body but because he is fat he can get away with being short. He has a bully look and is good enough in the ring to counter that. Some of the short in shape guys don't look like believable ass kickers (Like Balor, Ambrose, Zayn), but because Owens has size he can overcome his manlet status.
Gonna defend Dean ambrose here first off he is not short he's 6'4

Second while I would like to see him in trunks again like in FCW his scraggly crazy man gimmick lends itself to Jeans and a tanktop. That said I think WWE is going way overboard with people wearing street clothes to wrestle in for a while Harper and Ambrose had preety much identical looks.
Scale it back to just dean and everyone else wears it when it makes sense
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Old 10-15-2017, 06:40 PM   #649
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He's doesn't have huge star potential. He's not someone you revolve the company around. But again, he's good enough in the ring and on the mic AND he's got a unique enough look that he can be a huge asset. It's all in the presentation. If you book him like a big, sloppy, fatass loser, he will come off like that. If you book him like an ass-kicker who doesn't look the part, he will come off like that. They've just gotta pick one or the other and go all-out on it and never look back.

Maybe giving him a mouthpiece and not letting him work the mic as much like Noid said is key. It seems like a weird thing to do with a guy who is actually comfortable on the mic but maybe his style of promo is just not what you want when trying to present him the way he needs to be presented.
He's so good at talking and putting one foot in front of the other in the ring. It's weird that they present him as a heel actually. There seems to be some back-and-forth about whether or not he is actually good as a heel or not. I think some people think he gets "too cute." But given that he's got all this talent but doesn't fit expectations, you'd think he'd be a natural babyface for them.
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Gonna defend Dean ambrose here first off he is not short he's 6'4

Second while I would like to see him in trunks again like in FCW his scraggly crazy man gimmick lends itself to Jeans and a tanktop. That said I think WWE is going way overboard with people wearing street clothes to wrestle in for a while Harper and Ambrose had preety much identical looks.
Scale it back to just dean and everyone else wears it when it makes sense
It fits Ambrose, you are right, but it's too far in that obvious direction. It'd be like Austin wearing street gear. We get it, you don't like authority. There was a short period of time where you could buy that Ambrose never got singles attire made for himself and couldn't bear to wear the Shield gear anymore. Seth Rollins broke his heart and destroyed his identity. Now, over three years later, you're friends with the guys again -- get some proper fucking stuff.
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Old 10-15-2017, 06:50 PM   #651
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Harper is another dude they could have just put in trunks and said he was a mad-man, but I actually prefer the more gimmicky look on him. Makes it look like he doesn't give a fuck, and as a more "unfocused" character, that makes sense. When he's aligned with Bray Wyatt, of course he just wears jeans and shit.

I think the time to change his look was during the feud with Ziggler and he joined The Authority. I don't hate that they didn't fuck with him by any means. You could buy Triple H and Stephanie just accepting his help and staying away from him otherwise. Harper is so good that I always entertained the idea of a "corporate makeover" for him. It sounds dumb, but it's supported by my love of Harper as a performer. Can you just imagine him standing there in an expensive suit with a crazed expression in his eye? Holy fuck. It'd either work really, really, really well, or suck so hard.

I forget they changed up his look recently. It did look way too much like Ambrose. They were going for that "sleeker" look, because they've booked themselves into this situation where they've made him dirty and they don't like it, but that's his look now. Works a lot better for Harper though. In my opinion. I'd go with the dirtier look with the personalized jackets and shit.
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Old 10-16-2017, 05:53 PM   #652
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Luke Harper might just be my favorite wrestler. I mean, I do love Cesaro, but Harper has this weird intangible about him. I forget about it and then he reminds me every time I see him.

This Bludgeon Brothers thing...I wish it the best, that's all. I think it's supposed to be funny? I don't know. The Usos and The New Day could use a new team to shake things up. I can just think of better Luke Harper uses. But I guess I should just be happy for something.
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Old 10-16-2017, 07:18 PM   #654
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I dunno, it seemed like they were playing it pseudo-serious. Maybe try and be what the Ascension was supposed to try and be, if that makes any sense.
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Just the way that camera lingered. I mean, they are playing it straight-faced, you're right, but there's something campy as shit about this. I thought of The Ascension too, but I thought "Oh, they have learnt their lesson from them."
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I do love watching Luke Harper go hell I like hearing Luke Harper talk

Its weird both times he seperated from the Wyatt family he looked to be on the verge of a huge breakout then it just stops and it makes no sence because everytime he was solo he had fans attention. Hoping the tag team works out but its the WWE so.....

Also poor Erik Rowan just no idea what to do with him seemingly
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Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)Noid is so fly (s)he should be in the sky with diamonds (200,000+)
Erick Rowan is adorable when he is with Harper, but what else can you do with him? That viking gimmick he had in FCW? You don't want him going long and he's not really a main event dude.
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