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01-30-2018, 07:00 PM | #1 |
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Are you sick of Stephanie McMahon taking the credit for the women's revolution?
Once an organic phenomena fueled by passionate fans and girls who worked hard to prove themselves to be on an equal footing with their male counterparts. We see right through your PR fallacy Stephanie. And we are not going to have anymore of your agenda. Who is with me?
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01-30-2018, 07:01 PM | #2 |
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Omlette you finish, DuFromage.
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01-30-2018, 07:05 PM | #3 | |
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01-30-2018, 07:08 PM | #4 |
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01-30-2018, 07:12 PM | #5 |
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01-30-2018, 07:12 PM | #6 |
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Honestly her role in the company runs parallel with the quality drop for me as a viewer. Around 03ish. Who is responasible for the womens division is tough to say. She for certian has played a role no doubt.
I will say that the womens division is my favorite thing going for the company right now and i honestly feel Banks is prob the 3rd best worker in the country. Shes one dick short of being a top act. |
02-01-2018, 07:29 AM | #7 | |
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02-01-2018, 08:19 AM | #8 |
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01-30-2018, 07:19 PM | #9 |
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I think when Triple H started having daughters there was a shift as to the role of women in WWE. One of the Levesque daughters will headline a WrestleMania.
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01-30-2018, 07:23 PM | #10 |
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There has been a cultural shift in how women's wrestling is perceived too. All Japan in 1995 was probably not on Vince's radar, but I bet you there are lots of people in the company who were massive fans of that. Then you've got what TNA did in 2007 with the Knockouts, and it was drawing more than Kurt Angle and Sting. Then you do have the rise of Ronda Rousey as a draw. It's no longer correct to say girls can't draw in the fight game or whatever.
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01-30-2018, 07:25 PM | #11 |
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Stephanie McMahon takes a bump once a year to offset all this "heat" she thinks she cultivates. Someone will get theirs over her at Mania.
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01-30-2018, 07:31 PM | #12 |
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01-30-2018, 07:36 PM | #13 |
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I read the other day that the voice actor who played Dexter is dead. That's sad.
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01-30-2018, 07:38 PM | #14 |
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Nothing about the women's revolution has been organic.
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01-30-2018, 07:40 PM | #15 |
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"Here are the women. Now, let's all dance."
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01-30-2018, 07:41 PM | #16 |
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01-30-2018, 07:40 PM | #17 |
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I'm just sick of Stephanie McMahon.
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01-31-2018, 01:15 PM | #18 |
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01-30-2018, 07:47 PM | #20 |
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I really loved that Nitro Girl with the short hair, btw.
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01-30-2018, 07:48 PM | #21 |
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01-31-2018, 08:44 PM | #22 |
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01-30-2018, 07:49 PM | #23 |
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The Nitro Girls could be trained to wrestle about half as good as many of the women they've got and fool people into thinking they're a wave of feminism.
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01-30-2018, 07:49 PM | #24 |
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I look forward to them being inducted into the Hall of Fame as pioneers.
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01-30-2018, 07:50 PM | #25 |
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AJ Lee's tweet 100% is soley responsible
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01-30-2018, 07:51 PM | #26 |
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Which tweet is that? The one where she called out Steph for not paying women properly or whatever it was?
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01-30-2018, 07:52 PM | #27 |
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Yes
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01-30-2018, 07:58 PM | #28 |
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It's a fair point. I mean, you can argue that it's a performance-based industry, therefore pay is graded on terms of your value to the content, and the women just aren't there yet. But it's a bit fickle when you jump around saying "we treat women equally, we treat women equally -- he's them drawing for a major PPV." Do they get paid as much as the men? "Oh, no -- they don't really draw, the boys do that, it's just a figurative positioning as the stars."
I don't think people really care about WWE enough to really focus on it, but there are some nasty little opinion pieces ready to be written about the WWE's idea of gender equality, and how they are graded in terms of fiscal value despite being presented as big a stars -- and that presentation becomes perception, which is fair enough for reality to people trying to make a case. In many ways, it could be a slippery-slope to be presenting all your women as major stars, because at some point it's only reasonable they start asking for major star money, even if they're not really the major stars. |
01-30-2018, 08:00 PM | #29 | |
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01-30-2018, 08:04 PM | #30 |
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I actually agree and think that's the most effective position for them on the card, but that's not how they're presented. Someone is going to get the idea to ask for at least what Nikki Bella is making, and that's going to push up and up as they do jam their merchandise and significance down people's throats. "The women" are getting as hard a push by that giant promotional machine as anyone,
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01-30-2018, 08:05 PM | #31 |
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01-30-2018, 08:10 PM | #32 |
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I don't really see how, unless you are taking "women don't deserve equal pay." I think what Destor's saying is that Brock Lesnar and John Cena are much more crucial to WWE's merchandise, attendance, television ratings and Network subscriptions than Bayley is. I don't think that's an absurd point at all. My point is just that this isn't the narrative they're pushing. They're legit trying to present the Women's Championships as World Championships, letting them headline the Royal Rumble, etc. It wouldn't surprise me if they do the same thing at Elimination Chamber or if whatever Ronda Rousey does at Mania goes on higher than whatever AJ Styles and Nakamura are doing. Given what they left in Japan, I doubt that Styles or Nakamura is getting paid less than $400,000 a year.
But this is common in entertainment. No one at the top wants to take a cut, but it's too exhaustive to pay women as much as men in that sort of work. |
01-30-2018, 08:19 PM | #33 |
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01-31-2018, 05:24 PM | #35 | |
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Morality and progressiveness has nothing to do with Destor's argument, it just comes down to brass tax. However, out of all athletic endeavours, you could argue women can eventually make the same as men, since it's a scripted sport largely based on charisma. Whereas barriers face women in other sports because frankly, the quality of play can't physically/biologically ever match mens. If what the lads are saying about the women being ratings draws is true, then we could start seeing the pay gap decrease in the industry. |
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01-31-2018, 07:53 PM | #36 |
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01-30-2018, 07:52 PM | #37 |
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She also has that book coming out, doesn't she? Lady Balls or whatever it is. I don't think Steph really "gets" equality. But there's probably some sort of publicity motivation underlying everything, because she'll want that to be center-stage.
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01-30-2018, 07:52 PM | #38 |
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01-30-2018, 08:01 PM | #39 |
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01-30-2018, 07:52 PM | #40 |
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She tweeted "what have YOU done for women @steph" or something
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