"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[DAMN iNATOR]

Originally Posted by XL Hey! It would be something to be proud of for, say, the WWE Creative Team.

You're right, we DO need to petition Vince to fire Dunn and hire Noid.

[Damian Rey]

Noid should've been hired years ago.

[Cool King]

Originally Posted by Noid * The WWE puts no effort into SmackDown, which is a shame. I guess their thinking is probably that they know where it is ending up, so why put energy into the rest of 2015 for the brand? I hope they have stuff planned for 2016 though. SmackDown has needed its own identity since the end of the brand split. Yes, the show was already starting to slip, but they started pooling talent all together on RAW before it ended and, unless my memory is failing me, wasn't that to pad out RAW so it could go three hours? Treat a split seriously and it could work. Or don't even make the split official, but just have guys work programs almost exclusively on one show.

I think maybe one reason SmackDown doesn't really have it's own identity could be due to the fact that it shares the same stage with Raw.

Since the WWE went HD, everything has had the same stage, whereas back in the day, they both had different stages, so when you watched SmackDown and saw the giant fist or the Ovaltron, you knew you were watching SmackDown and it felt like you were watching SmackDown and not just "The Raw Recap Show", which is what it feels like today.

Originally Posted by Noid * Los Matadores and Lucha Dragons are being wasted and Vince McMahon is worried about finding Hispanic stars. Righto.

I'm such a big fan of The Lucha Dragons and hearing the news that Los Matadores could be coming to an end is a positive sign for me.

I've always thought that the gimmick was a bit corny, but enjoyable at times, and wasn't going to go anywhere. Epico and Primo were so much better as Epico and Primo. Since getting the gimmick, nobody seems to have taken them seriously, which is understandable. Back when Epico and Primo didn't have a gimmick and had Rosa by their side, they came across as a legitimate threat and more of a legitimate tag team than they currently are as Los Matadores.

For me, I say scrap the gimmick, and have Epico and Primo again. Possibly add Rosa too and they can be your Hispanic heels while The Lucha Dragons can be your Hispanic faces.

Both teams are so worthy of being Tag Team Champions and hopefully it does happen soon.

I'm really enjoying the Tag Team Division right now and to me, it's the best thing going in the WWE at the moment. Usually when I watch Raw these days, I skip pretty much everything apart from the Tag Team matches. The division is probably at it's strongest since around 2008. The division has around eight teams right now, and not one of them is a team that's just been randomly thrown together. They're all legitimate tag teams.

A New Day
The Primetime Players
The Dudley Boyz
Los Matadores
The Usos
The Lucha Dragons
The Ascension
The Wyatt Family (Harper & Strowman I'm assuming could compete in the division)

I really hope this keeps up.

[Mercenary]

[Lock Jaw]

Definition of a squash match

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Seph I don't think you can argue against Stings star power like that CyNick. He was the face of WCW when it was drawing 5 and 6 in the ratings at the peak of the Monday night wars. HHH wasn't the face and was probably like 6 or 7th in the pecking order really when WWE was experiencing similar popularity. Sure, right now, HHH is a bigger star. But in the grand scheme of things? No.

But all that matters is today, and what will be best for business. HHH looking strong, and transferring that heat he got for beating Sting onto Rollins is the cerebral game plan.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Noid I think people have already addressed the "Sting as a star" point effectively already. You can see Sting at that level, but you'd saying that subjectively in the face of a fair amount of objective evidence; and I'd still argue that even if Sting weren't on the level of a Rock/Triple H/Undertaker (not sure all three of those parts are equal, but whatever), then it'd be smart business to at least present him as being on that level. But some people just don't like money. Sure, Triple H is probably going to be running around more regularly on WWE TV. That doesn't mean Sting's appearances can't be special on their own, or make a shit-tonne of money in the immediate future. You also don't know the schedule of Sting. The guy is only a few years removed from being a fairly "regular" part-timer. Some people seem to have this idea that the guy only has one or two matches left. That might be the case, but the idea that Sting can't be a regular, or at least make enough appearances to justify a huge WrestleMania win isn't substantiated yet. Also, I'd argue that it might have even been worth giving Sting the one win against Triple H, even if it was his only match. You also have to keep in mind that -- star-power aside -- Triple H is the heel. Keeping your heels strong is definitely a good idea, but at the end of the day the pay-off is in the babyface getting some vengeance. Generally speaking, people weren't buying WrestleMania to see Triple H beat Sting. It's like going into McDonald's, ordering a burger and getting punched in the face. Long-term maybe the punch is better for you, but it's not what you asked for and you won't be back. But some people don't like money. There is some money in Rollins upping Triple H, you are right. But you need to get to the point where there is a conflict that people can really bite into. It's not dirtying the discussion to point out that Seth Rollins has been heeling it up as much as anyone in his position is allowed to, whilst Triple H has been painted as the rightful hero and the true man. This is despite the fact that Rollins holds the World Heavyweight Championship and Triple H is practically retired. If you want Rollins to start doing face things after the turn, that's cool -- but does it make sense for it to happen that way? Doesn't that go completely against who Rollins has become since selling out and joining The Authority? And we don't really have a reason to hate Triple H within the context of this story. If Triple H turned on Rollins on RAW, he'd probably get cheered for it. So maybe the plan is for Rollins to be the heel in the program? Okay, but why not build him up as a credible heel right now, instead of having him dance around active stars in order to get to the part-timer? And if the idea is to have Rollins come out of the Triple H program a more credible performer, isn't that a move towards the face end of the spectrum anyway? Again, it's not Triple H hate. I've wanted to see Triple H vs. Dean Ambrose and Triple H vs. Bray Wyatt for AGES. I don't want to see Triple H win either of those matches, and I don't think he needs to win them to have his heat as the guy with all the corporate power in the world. Vince McMahon didn't need to win a bunch to still draw money with Austin. I've already explained about the build to Triple H/Batista and how it's different. The way they are going about a potential face turn for Rollins is more like what they did with Randy Orton or Alberto Del Rio. Those were great, weren't they?

You're losing it dude and grasping at straws now.

"Some people dont like money"

Classic stuff you probably read from one of the Newsletters. Of course WWE doesnt want to make money. Of course WWE hasnt already built the industry leader and a billion dollar + business. But no, you and the IWC know how to book better and you think WWE doesn't like money. Jokes.

You still haven't illustrated how Sting winning at Mania would lead to more Network subs long term. I laid out how HHH helps, please hit the ball back over the fence so I can lay another winner down the line.

[Black Widow]

[Lock Jaw]

Don't blame her

[Simple Fan]

She acts like that's how women greet each other instead of shaking hands.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

God bless her for that.

[Emperor Smeat]

[Emperor Smeat]

If the dirtsheets are correct, WWE's starting to get more hands-on with NXT's booking. Management wants Eva to get the Women's title as soon as possible and probably fast track her push into the rumored top star for the Divas division instead of letting it develop gradually/naturally.

Originally Posted by Observer Current plans have WWE NXT Women's Champion Bayley feuding with Dana Brooke and then Eva Marie. WWE officials really want to validate Eva Marie right now by making her NXT Women's Champion. The idea is that they can tell the story of Eva proving her critics wrong through hard work. This is just speculation but it looks like Bayley vs. Brooke could kick off at the September 10th NXT TV tapings from Full Sail University with a possible match at the October 7th Takeover event. Eva could start feuding with Bayley at the next set of tapings with a possible match at the NXT "Takeover: London" event in December. A three-way feud to carry them through December is possible also.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR You're right, we DO need to petition Vince to fire Dunn and hire Noid.

Damn straight. Well, I couldn't run a production team. But I'd gladly take the money for three weeks before Vince defenestrates me.

[Evil Vito]

god...please don't have Vince fuck around with NXT's booking

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball If the dirtsheets are correct, WWE's starting to get more hands-on with NXT's booking. Management wants Eva to get the Women's title as soon as possible and probably fast track her push into the rumored top star for the Divas division instead of letting it develop gradually/naturally.

I fucking told you!!!!!!!!!!!

[Black Widow]

I will be done with NXT if that no talent Caitlyn Jenner looking bitch gets the title!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by The CyNick You're losing it dude and grasping at straws now. "Some people dont like money" Classic stuff you probably read from one of the Newsletters. Of course WWE doesnt want to make money. Of course WWE hasnt already built the industry leader and a billion dollar + business. But no, you and the IWC know how to book better and you think WWE doesn't like money. Jokes. You still haven't illustrated how Sting winning at Mania would lead to more Network subs long term. I laid out how HHH helps, please hit the ball back over the fence so I can lay another winner down the line.

Haha, nah, you're the one getting desperate with the IWC slander stuff and talking up your own non-argument.

How does Sting winning translate to money/more Network subs?

* A big draw of the Network is being able to re-live the PPVs of yesteryear. Sting was a huge part of the story WCW told over its entire PPV history. If you want to get people to take more of a bite of the WWE Network, and stay hooked on it for longer, promoting WCW is a freakin' great idea.

CONVERSELY: Triple H beating Sting implies that WWE was always better, so those WWE PPVs you've joined us watching are the only things that matter.

* The plan is clearly for Sting to wrestle more than one PPV match, as it always probably should have been. This is now evident and not debatable as Sting is booked for Night of Champions. He's going into the PPV with zero momentum and no one thinking he's really got a chance, and worse, many not caring since he lost his last clusterfuck.

CONVERSELY: If Sting had beaten Triple H, he'd be 1-0 in the WWE, with that win being over a former 13-time World Champion that beat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania. The title might actually be in jeopardy. This anticipation could lead to more people signing up to the Network, especially if they're...

* An older WCW fan who stopped watching at the death of the Attitude era. I think it's a bit of a fool's errand to go and try recruiting these people back, but Sting is a well-known commodity that might make people go "Hang on, I might check this out..." With a 0-1 record, he not only provides a sad reminder that his era is gone, but he also makes a completely nonsensical choice as a title challenger.

CONVERSELY: If Sting had won the match, he'd be 1-0 in the WWE, with that win being over a former 13-time World Champion that beat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania. The title might actually be in jeopardy. This anticipation could lead to more people signing up to the Network...you get it...

It's amazing you don't get how Sting losing every match is pissing away money. Oh well. I don't think it's one of those things you can explain to people if they don't get it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I forgot to touch on merchandising, DVD/Network specials, documentaries, the potential torch-passing loss, etc. I could have gotten another half-dozen bullet points out of those.

Triple H didn't need the win to have heat or credibility in the WWE. The loss hurts Sting more than it helps Triple H. It's really that simple. And you can say that I'm a nobody that thinks I know better than the WWE, but I'm not the only one saying it. A lot of really successful people in the industry have come out and said they thought it sucked a giant donkey dick and made no sense from a business or creative standpoint. I'm not appealing to authority like you are with the WWE, but rather pointing out that there are a lot of people who aren't nobodies that would agree with me -- rendering your ad hominem assault pretty pointless.

Your only point other than "The WWE are giant and therefore know what they are doing," like they haven't made a bad decision in their existence, is "Triple H beating Sting is good because he can now get Seth Rollins, the World Champion, to beat him and make him look great." Except Seth Rollins is about to beat the guy that Triple H himself beat, which renders it all a little redundant, doesn't it? Why get A to beat B to give the rub to C if C is going to beat B anyway?

And if Sting can't beat a dude just ten years younger than him, what chance does he have against someone thirty years younger than him?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'll try to explain it mathematically for you. Let's attribute values to these wrestlers. Triple H has 1300 points. That's 100 points for every World Title he's won in the WWE. Seth Rollins is therefore on 100 points. Sting has won World Titles, but not in the WWE, so let's include the International World Title and call him a 9-time champ and give him 75% of those 900 points, bringing him to 675. Let's say that a win is worth 10% of what your opponent is worth. If Sting beats Triple H at WrestleMania, his score jumps to 805 points. It's arguable that you could even increase this because of WrestleMania season, but let's call it all even. Triple H beating Sting increases his worth to 1368 points. Now, let's say that Seth Rollins beats Sting AND Triple H in the scenario that we actually have in real-life. He beats Sting for 68 points and he beats Triple H for 137. That's a total of 205 points. But if he beats Sting AND Triple H after Sting beats Triple H? That's 81 points from Sting and 130 from Triple H. That's 211 points -- a whole six points difference. But there you go -- Sting beating Triple H is far more important to increasing Sting's stock than increasing Triple H's.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Cool King I think maybe one reason SmackDown doesn't really have it's own identity could be due to the fact that it shares the same stage with Raw. Since the WWE went HD, everything has had the same stage, whereas back in the day, they both had different stages, so when you watched SmackDown and saw the giant fist or the Ovaltron, you knew you were watching SmackDown and it felt like you were watching SmackDown and not just "The Raw Recap Show", which is what it feels like today. I'm such a big fan of The Lucha Dragons and hearing the news that Los Matadores could be coming to an end is a positive sign for me. I've always thought that the gimmick was a bit corny, but enjoyable at times, and wasn't going to go anywhere. Epico and Primo were so much better as Epico and Primo. Since getting the gimmick, nobody seems to have taken them seriously, which is understandable. Back when Epico and Primo didn't have a gimmick and had Rosa by their side, they came across as a legitimate threat and more of a legitimate tag team than they currently are as Los Matadores. For me, I say scrap the gimmick, and have Epico and Primo again. Possibly add Rosa too and they can be your Hispanic heels while The Lucha Dragons can be your Hispanic faces. Both teams are so worthy of being Tag Team Champions and hopefully it does happen soon. I'm really enjoying the Tag Team Division right now and to me, it's the best thing going in the WWE at the moment. Usually when I watch Raw these days, I skip pretty much everything apart from the Tag Team matches. The division is probably at it's strongest since around 2008. The division has around eight teams right now, and not one of them is a team that's just been randomly thrown together. They're all legitimate tag teams. A New Day The Primetime Players The Dudley Boyz Los Matadores The Usos The Lucha Dragons The Ascension The Wyatt Family (Harper & Strowman I'm assuming could compete in the division) I really hope this keeps up.

Great post, and I'm on board with you.

The one thing I disagree with is Epico & Primo seeming like a threat. From memory, the WWE did their best to make it seem like they didn't matter. I recall Big Show squashing them in a Handicap Match whilst they were the Tag Team Champions. Los Matadores are silly, but at least it's given them a chance to recharge their real personalities from that sort of damage. And now they might try to push them seriously as a tag team, instead of simply seeing them as bumpers for the name talent.

I've wanted to see Lucha Dragons vs. Los Matadores for the longest time. The matches would be good, given their styles and the history between Primo, Epico and Hunico. Plus you can eventually build to Mask vs. Mask, put the Dragons over, and have Epico y Primo reveal themselves as the men behind the gimmick, then attack the Dragons in a rage and transition things into a Mexico vs. Puerto Rico feud.

After the faces go over in that one, you could consider splitting up Epico and Primo by having one turn on the other, the face sitting at home for a while to gain sympathy, whilst the heel gets a bit of a singles push, only for the other to eventually return looking for blood. I bet Primo could lead Epico through some hot matches.

You don't really need a whole bunch of teams to have a fun tag division. I think it more comes down to the quality of the teams, how they're connecting and how they clash with the other teams. The New Day are firing on all cylinders at the moment, and the feud with The Dudleyz will be over. If you have a feud between Epico/Primo and the Dragons, that's another team building on the side. Eventually you're going to have The Usos back, and can slip The Wyatt Family back into the scene too. That's really all you need, I feel.

[Droford]

Originally Posted by Noid I'll try to explain it mathematically for you. Let's attribute values to these wrestlers. Triple H has 1300 points. That's 100 points for every World Title he's won in the WWE. Seth Rollins is therefore on 100 points. Sting has won World Titles, but not in the WWE, so let's include the International World Title and call him a 9-time champ and give him 75% of those 900 points, bringing him to 675. Let's say that a win is worth 10% of what your opponent is worth. If Sting beats Triple H at WrestleMania, his score jumps to 805 points. It's arguable that you could even increase this because of WrestleMania season, but let's call it all even. Triple H beating Sting increases his worth to 1368 points. Now, let's say that Seth Rollins beats Sting AND Triple H in the scenario that we actually have in real-life. He beats Sting for 68 points and he beats Triple H for 137. That's a total of 205 points. But if he beats Sting AND Triple H after Sting beats Triple H? That's 81 points from Sting and 130 from Triple H. That's 211 points -- a whole six points difference. But there you go -- Sting beating Triple H is far more important to increasing Sting's stock than increasing Triple H's.

Imagining this as the scott steiner math promo

[Droford]

@CedricAlexander @PWXwrestling pic.twitter.com/b5wyCe89cw

— Tessa Blanchard (@teamTblanchard) September 6, 2015

[Vastardikai]

Originally Posted by Droford @CedricAlexander @PWXwrestling pic.twitter.com/b5wyCe89cw — Tessa Blanchard (@teamTblanchard) September 6, 2015

I think Cornette said if someone took the Metzler Driver in his promotion and left the ring under his own power, he'd have fired the guys giving the move AND the guy taking it. I am standing by that thought.

[Emperor Smeat]

[Lock Jaw]

[Poit]

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon Nope. Owens took it perfectly on two straight ppvs. It's Cena's fault.

Can't this same logic be turned around?

Cena executed it perfectly on two straight PPVs. It's Owens's fault.

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE has another Monday Night War themed dvd arriving soon. One of the biggest features to this one is new Eric Bischoff related stuff instead of WWE just reusing the same old interviews from the early to mid 2000s.

New stuff is mostly him reacting to the things said about him on the first Monday Night War dvd and Network series.

[Disturbed316]

I'm pretty bored of all the Attitude/Monday Night War dvd's, they've done it to death.

[Rammsteinmad]

Yep, time for WWE to

STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!!!

[erickman]

but goofing on russo never gets old

[Simple Fan]

According to WWE.com, Lana suffered a wrist injury while working out in the ring before a WWE Live Event in Fairfax, Virginia over the weekend. WWE’s senior ringside physician Dr. Scott Amann had the following to say about the injury… “During a training session [Sunday] afternoon, Lana had sustained an injury in the ring. We attended to her and noticed that she had a deformity of her wrist. We obtained X-rays which showed a Colles’ fracture and [we put her] in a splint. Most of these Colles’ fractures do better surgically than non-surgically, especially in younger patients. Most likely this will require an operation, which will take her out of active competition for approximately four months.”

[Lock Jaw]

No more catfighting for four months?!!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I guess this just became a potential WrestleMania feud.

[Simple Fan]

So now Summer joins Dolph and Rusev has to find a new Lana again. 4 months Lana returns and we have a love pentagon.

[Droford]

It should be Dolph and Rusev, Bros before....Divas

[Mercenary]

Molly Holly added to the Supermega fest I'm going to.

[Damian Rey]

She can't go to the ring with a splint or cast? You could easily have a backstage interview interrupted by a brawl between two and have them be pulled apart without having them actually touching each other. Then write in Lana injured her wrist in the scuffle.

Even better, get some heat on Rusev by cutting to the locker room with Rusev standing over a fallen Dolph, foreign object, like a lead pipe, chair, or wretch in hand, with Lana lying over him clutching her wrist. Never actually have anyone come out and blatantly say Rusev hit Lana, but instead insinuate she was hurt trying to protect Dolph. Rusev can cut promos saying Lana's injuries are a result of her getting in the way and she has paid the price.

[Nicky Fives]

or they could just acknowledge that she hurt herself training in the ring to kick Summer's ass.....