10-23-2017, 02:11 PM | #601 |
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I just figured he'd have the singlet on underneath the Shield gear. Wouldn't need to change. They did take the vest he had on off. I wasn't a big deal I just tji k it would have made his reentrance better.
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10-23-2017, 02:47 PM | #602 |
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Loved Finn Very An, easily Finn's best match since joining WWE. The main event was an overbooked mess, but in an almost endearing way. Think it worked out better without Roman and I don't mean that in a shifting on Roman way, but the Angle slams and Seth and Dean doing the double spear through the barricade instead of the Roman one were fun spots.
Probably one of the best WWE PPVs in some time. I said it when it was announced: Panic WWE is best WWE. |
10-23-2017, 03:06 PM | #603 |
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I would not call that a great ppv by any stretch, it’s was ok-good though. It honestly seemed like good Raw. Anytime the main event is a clusterfuck the POV goes down a notch. When the announcer said Demon Baylor never lost I knew that was it for AJ. I fast forward through the cruiser weights cuz lol cruiserweights. Asuka didn’t really excite me but thought it was a good match. Was hoping Mickie James won. Elias is the future and so is JASON Jordon. But yeah, not the worst ppv but definitely not a great one.
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10-23-2017, 03:12 PM | #604 |
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The cruiser tag match was the second best match on the show for me, so you might get that impression of you fast forwarded it.
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10-23-2017, 03:30 PM | #605 | |
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10-23-2017, 03:39 PM | #606 |
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My quick thoughts on the event: pretty good, not great, but pretty good. I know the Elias/Jordan stuff was to fill time, but honestly, I thought that really killed a lot of the momentum of the show building up to the main event. AJ/Balor was a great match for what it was... can't wait to see what they'd do with a belt on the line. I was shocked to see Kurt do as much as he did. Unless they are going to run with a longer physical storyline between he & Miz, I really didn't think it was necessary for him to score the fall, but whatever. Kurt is a better Roman Reigns than Roman Reigns, that's for sure!
On Raw Talk, Kurt mentioned that he "asked Daniel Bryan for a favor" regarding AJ and eluded to owing him one in return. After seeing how it went down last night (and a stronger possibility of WWE granting DB one last match), my thoughts on a potential Wrestlemania match between Kurt & Bryan have grown. I can easily see DB call out Angle for that return favor for a bout on "the grandest stage of 'em all." At the very least, you can have HHH (fighting for Steph) & Kurt vs. Shane & DB. Makes total sense. Have HHH & Shane do more of the physical stuff and have Kurt & DB stay more mat-based wrestling. |
10-23-2017, 03:39 PM | #607 |
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They just had 4 white dude team up with a monster from hell. That is diversity.
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10-23-2017, 03:42 PM | #609 |
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Shut the fuck up.
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10-23-2017, 03:51 PM | #610 |
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And here I was thinking all black people were friends. Damn.
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10-23-2017, 04:00 PM | #611 |
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CACAW CACAW
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10-23-2017, 04:11 PM | #612 |
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Oh shit, is Raven entering?
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10-23-2017, 04:52 PM | #613 |
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10-23-2017, 04:58 PM | #614 | |
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"Kurt Angle's neck might be broken. Let's drag him to the back where we can assess." "We're at a 2-on-5 disadvantage. Instead of winning this match, let's fight the Miz back up the ramp to where his comrades are." "Let's win a TLC Match by bringing in a garbage truck." "Instead of retreating I'm going to run into my oblivion." "After we destroy The Shield, we get to rule Raw in perfect harmony on a wrestling show, where I imagine the following content will be us holding hands and singing for all eternity." There's a lot about this match and it's build on this show that did not make a lick of sense. It wouldn't have been out of the question for the match to end with Kane pinning Braun or vice versa. |
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10-23-2017, 04:59 PM | #615 |
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I wasn’t a fan of the main event. It was chaotic, just not in a good way.
Plus, anything trying to follow Styles/Balor just didn’t stand a chance. |
10-23-2017, 05:00 PM | #616 |
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Sounds like they tried to get way too cute.
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10-23-2017, 06:41 PM | #617 |
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A lot of people online saying Asuka gave emma too much, and that she just should have squashed her in 2 minutes.
That is so stupid to me. Asuka had never been about squashing people, and having her do so is a waste of her talent. She has the unique ability to look exceptionally strong while keeping the match competetive and making her opponent look good. Only the best in the world are capable of doing this. Asuka's debut could not have gone better. Asuka looked like a beast, but Emma looked great too. It strengthened the division as a whole, instead of just one competitor. |
10-23-2017, 06:47 PM | #618 |
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I dunno about that. Asuka def shouldn't have squashed her, but she did give Emma a bit too much. Emma is basically the dregs of the Raw womens division, at least in the way it is presented, and she went toe to toe with Asuka for a good amount of time. Hell I even thought Emma was going to win it a couple times cuz WWE. Asuka didn't look dominant at all in the match; she looked like she was in trouble against the worst in the division. Didn't make her look like she is worthy of all the hype behind her at all.
Good match though. |
10-23-2017, 06:56 PM | #619 |
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In terms of match control, it was even, yes. But Asuka's style of offense, and the intensity in which she executes it is what made her look very strong to me.
And while Emma hasn't won a ton of matches, she's been competetive enough in them where it's beleivable that her character sees this as her biggest oppurtunity yet and brings it harder than she ever has before. It's not like a Jinder situation or anything. |
10-23-2017, 07:19 PM | #620 |
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Now people want squash matches on PPV. Jesus.
The Asuka match was tight, and Emma is amazing. |
10-23-2017, 07:41 PM | #621 |
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Love Emma and Asuka, but a competitive match is not the way to debut Asuka to the average fan who has never seen her before. When your story is "this dominant woman is showing up," the match needs to tell the story of dominance. Getting beaten up but Emma doesn't really do that. If you don't want a squash on PPV, don't put the match on the PPV.
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10-23-2017, 07:44 PM | #622 |
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One COULD argue it's a delicate balance. I thought it was a very good match, but I think Asuka spent a bit too much time underneath.
She probably wanted to have a bit of a war and was happy to give Emma that much, but a big debut maybe should have called for a little more dominance. Still a fun match though... will be interesting to see how she's treated on the main roster. |
10-23-2017, 07:46 PM | #623 |
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Didn't even need to be a squash... I just think Asuka should have had that little bit of ascendancy throughout the match, even if Emma was competitive. To me they had her wrassle like a white meat babyface needing to overcome odds. They could just write it off as "Big Stage jitters" plus probably wanted to humble her a bit now that she's stepping up.
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10-23-2017, 07:46 PM | #624 |
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Nothing wrong with a squash match on PPV if it fits the situation. Not every match has to be about making everyone look even with each other.
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10-23-2017, 07:47 PM | #625 |
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If everyone is even with each other, then how are they supposed to stand out? So many people at the bottom of the card would be so much more over if they actually did less shit.
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10-23-2017, 07:50 PM | #626 |
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Shoulda brought her in with a top class opponent. Let her tear it up with sascha right out of the gate. Emma isnt over. Emma is never going to be over. Which would be fine if she were a good hand but she isnt. Shes a pretty face that can eat pins.
Emma should have worked the pre show. With that said the match was as good as you could have hoped. Crowd clearly knew asuka so its good we dont have to waste time debuting her, theres no need. |
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They make every babyface wrestle like they're white meat. They do this with Nakamura too. It drives me nuts, because they sign these talents because they are larger than life in the ring. Will they be able to cross over? Everything goes extraordinarily well with their packaging and presentation (this is one thing that I will not dispute Triple H is fantastic at), and then they come up and their first match has a loser put them in a fucking chinlock. It's weird, because they're so hands-on with everything, but they are less meticulous about the stories matches tell than ever before (unless it's something like the bear hunt that was that fucking main event). They're like "Asuka beats Emma," but no one pays any attention to how she does it or what that content makes people feel about her. The achievement of every match is just who wins and loses, which they openly tell you doesn't matter, because every match has to be the same for some fucking reason. That's why Braun seemingly got as over as he did. It's not because he's that good, it's because he's fucking different and got to actually kill guys. |
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The women either need their own show or they need a lot more to have a hierarchy.
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10-23-2017, 08:02 PM | #630 |
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Even more of a reason to do it. Give em 25 min. Have them go out. Highlight the stregnth of the devision with the asuka addition. 6 months later building the rematch writes itself. Good enough matches will get themselves over.
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10-23-2017, 08:04 PM | #631 |
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10-23-2017, 09:40 PM | #632 | |
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10-23-2017, 11:09 PM | #633 |
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That's why I think they need their own show. Gets the division together. There are only so many times you can see the same permutations of Asuka vs. (x) before it gets boring.
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10-23-2017, 11:29 PM | #634 |
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It would have fewer viewers than 205 live...
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10-24-2017, 12:12 AM | #635 |
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Watched the show
Really enjoyed both women's matches, as well as Balor/Styles. Main Event was good in an "entertainment" sense, and fun to watch. I know people are ragging on that other poster (too lazy to scroll up to remind myself who) about Angle coming back out in his singlet...... but honestly..... I was hoping for the exact same thing. |
10-24-2017, 12:48 AM | #636 | |
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10-24-2017, 12:53 AM | #637 |
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10-24-2017, 05:55 AM | #638 |
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Emma has been putting together a believable air of credibility for more than a few weeks now. But that's just coming from someone who is paying a lot of attention to weekly occurences.
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10-24-2017, 05:57 AM | #639 |
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She was touting her unrecognized relevance well before Asuka was even mentioned on main air.
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10-24-2017, 05:59 AM | #640 |
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But tune in whenever and naysay whatever you'd like. Shit is still good to me.
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