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Old 01-23-2018, 08:40 PM   #161
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Well he says the texts were sent to someone else. Not directly to him. So all he would have are screenshots.
This is true. But why not send them to police at this point? I mean, it's not like he's been allegedly traumatized by something, why not turn it in to the people investigating so they can get phone records and such? I mean, you'd think they'd have looked at her phone anyway.
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Fightful.com has been working on a report about the Enzo story and pretty much stated its been a really messy situation so far. The drugs and victim supposedly being bi-polar being some big issues.
Seems very, very murky.
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Maybe they were shown to the police. He says he sent them to the girl who she says was an accomplice and she has been talking with police so I'm sure those texts have come up.
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Maybe. We'll see.
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From the comment section: "I actually dm'd Toopoor on twitter & sent her those screenshots and she said she would send them along to the detectives & I told her I'd be willing to speak to them if need be"
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Could still be complete bullshit. No one in this mess seems particularly smart. It'll be interesting to see if stories stay consistent or whether or not they fold like umbrellas when they can get out of drug charges, accessory charges or whatever leverage is applied.

Even so, bragging about having sex still doesn't mean it was consensual. It's a hard concept to understand, but many victims do romanticize experiences and even brag about them. A case that happened close to me had a victim coming out and telling everybody it happened like it was a fun thing. Weirded people out, but turned out the guy was a total creep and she needed a lot of help stemming from the incident. Entirely anecdotal, but her texting someone and trying to spin it into a positive doesn't mean that she then didn't say no or get pressured into sex while under the influence and then needed to check herself into a mental hospital.

Wait and see how this plays out. Enzo has released a statement:

“Over the last two days, Philomena Sheahan has made multiple public accusations against Eric Arndt (also known as Enzo Amore with the WWE), including allegations of sexual misconduct concerning an October 2017 incident in Phoenix. Mr. Arndt fully and unequivocally denies those accusations. He is cooperating with the authorities in this manner and looks forward to having it resolved in a timely manner. Neither Mr. Arndt nor his counsel will be making any further public comments on this matter.”

Sounds like he's beginning to take it seriously, as opposed to wearing funny t-shirts about it, lying to his employer and basically being Enzo. Glad he's gone, regardless of the outcome, because some people just don't deserve a profile.
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She should really get off TMZ and all that. That's not helping the image people want to paint of her being a gold-digger or social media junkie, or whatever.
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so i watched her video on i guess TMZ. This whole thing seems like a train wreck. my question is she claims she was on all these drugs and basically out of her mind. so how does she know what really even happened? and she has one of those spiked dog collars around her neck while talking. fuck
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They didn't wish him the best in his future endeavors, and they immediately scrubbed his profile off of the website completely.
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@Noid: Is there anything she could do or say or any new information that could come out that would ruin her credibility/rob her of the benefit of doubt in your mind?
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so i watched her video on i guess TMZ. This whole thing seems like a train wreck. my question is she claims she was on all these drugs and basically out of her mind. so how does she know what really even happened? and she has one of those spiked dog collars around her neck while talking. fuck
Supposedly she still had a little sense of what was going on while the drugs were taking effect. Not enough to be fully aware or in any control of the situation but just enough that she could remember some stuff that happened before she blacked out or got incapacitated.
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WWE doesn't even have the Cruiserweight Championship listed as Vacant. They've straight up removed it from the website.

It may have been mercy killed.
They did something similar when Dolph Ziggler vacated the United States Championship. It's still listed as "active".
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The biggest loss in all of this was Neville.
That is not accurate. Amore and Neville were friends backstage. He didn't have any issues as far as losing the strap was concerned.
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Supposedly she still had a little sense of what was going on while the drugs were taking effect. Not enough to be fully aware or in any control of the situation but just enough that she could remember some stuff that happened before she blacked out or got incapacitated.
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She posted a video on YouTube 2 weeks ago where she tells the story of how she lied about being pregnant to keep a guy from breaking up with her, keeping the lie going even after they went to the doctor by telling him her gynecologist said sometimes it doesn't show up right away. She's definitely not a credible human being. Could have still been raped despite all of this... But at what point can you start leaning away from believing the crazy chick attention whore who lies constantly and take away the benefit of the doubt?
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@Noid: Is there anything she could do or say or any new information that could come out that would ruin her credibility/rob her of the benefit of doubt in your mind?
If she came out and said "I am lying about this, haha," as far as things she could say. As far as things that could come out -- if credible witnesses say that they saw the initiation of the act and knew that Sheahan had consented. If the medical reports from her hospital tenure play contrary to sexual assault. If the people she spoke to at the hospital have some sort of insight that suggests that her claims are fraudulent.

But, basically, I give the allegedly victims the benefit of the doubt. Again, statistics say that it is basically pointless to pretend you are a victim, because people chew them apart, by and large. If she's making it up because she has a mental issue, I hope she gets help. But her being a train wreck human, as you said, doesn't mean she wasn't raped. It probably makes her more of a target for this sort of thing. And I'm not saying Enzo picked her out for that sort of thing, but she clearly lacks the sense of tact to keep her out of these situations. That doesn't mean it's her fault or completely okay for Enzo to sport fuck her while she's coked up and passing out, or whatever happened. She may not treat herself or others right, but she still deserves the dignity of having her claims be treated as serious and credibly investigated.

It costs nothing for me to give her the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't matter to me whether or not she is a junkie or a prostitute or whatever. It makes no difference to my life. I honestly don't get why people are concerned about things like her "credibility" in 2018. Like, as BigCrippyZ said -- if she said she was a virgin in court and then someone came forward and said "Hang on, I have evidence we slept together, therefore she is not telling the truth in this instance," it would matter more to me. Her being a train wreck just doesn't eliminate her from my scope of compassion. If anything, I think she needs more of it.

I'm not saying you're a bad person for not believing her or whatever -- I want to clarify that. She's not the sort of person I'd want to hang out with, either. I'm just of the opinion that going through her past to try and discredit current claims just isn't as relevant as other people seem to think it is. It's a shame people lie, but I don't think the truth cares about a lie you told yesterday.

If Enzo is innocent, I hope he is cleared of all charges. I can't see a way he comes out of this smelling like roses, however, because it sounds like he either had sex without her consent, they had coked up sex, or she was coked up and he fucked her. I say this because the other alleged witnesses all seem to put Enzo and drugs there, and the police seem to have DNA. All those scenarios contain some measure of a crime as the books currently stand, with the most benign being drug use, which the WWE may not take kindly to anyway. I doubt we see him back in the WWE. I can't say I'll miss him.
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Does anyone find it odd that these allegations come out and completely wash away the accusations that Roman Reigns has been buying illegal steroids?
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Very dumb to not clue your bosses in for what was going to come out. As I said in the Aziz topic in casual forum, it's a shame that these allegations are put in the public eye, it makes it harder for the judicial system to do their job and taints the allegation.

The ladies conduct in her life plays no part if the rape did happen and if this is found true then I hope they throw the book at him.

If he is found innocent of all charges then would be intersting to see if their is any comeuppance for the WWE firing him.
Why would there be "comeuppance" for a publicly traded company that deals in pop culture trying to get in front of incoming negative publicity? Especially something of this magnitude? They let go of Hogan for measurably less (all things considered), so I think potential rape charges, even if he is 100% exhonorated, is a giant pothole they would like to not merely swerve around, but drive on a totally different street from.
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Does anyone find it odd that these allegations come out and completely wash away the accusations that Roman Reigns has been buying illegal steroids?
Not odd, but fortuitous. Like when that freak snowstorm dismantled what was destined to be a very, very shitty RAW.

Less conspiracy theory, more chicken salad from chicken shit.
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Old 01-23-2018, 10:39 PM   #184
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Shane Helms looks like Shane from Walking Dead
He doesn't come back as The Hurricane, but The Punsher.
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Why would there be "comeuppance" for a publicly traded company that deals in pop culture trying to get in front of incoming negative publicity? Especially something of this magnitude? They let go of Hogan for measurably less (all things considered), so I think potential rape charges, even if he is 100% exhonorated, is a giant pothole they would like to not merely swerve around, but drive on a totally different street from.
Yeah, basically. And they have a morals cause, which I imagine means they can basically fire anyone for whatever they want whenever they want. But innocent until proven guilty is probably the thinking here. Is the WWE jumping the gun? No, I don't think so, because removing someone from a public position is not the same as throwing them into prison for actually committing a crime.
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Honestly, it sounds like the world wojld benefit if they locked everyone in this situation up and threw away the kaey.
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The new champ will adress the situation?

Is the WWE really about to try to deliver a teachable moment? If so then Gulak should be champ
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"If I had a dime for every time I raped this woman, I'd have ZERO DIMES!"

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That is not accurate. Amore and Neville were friends backstage. He didn't have any issues as far as losing the strap was concerned.
I stand corrected, but I still miss Neville.
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God, if they actually put Enzo on the stand, his testimony devolving into shtick would not surprise me.
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I stand corrected, but I still miss Neville.
Became one of my five favorite workers in the company. I think he could have used a change of setting in order to see if people could take him more seriously.
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Felt like I was watching TNA for a minute.

WE HAVE A MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT TUNE IN. DONT MISS JT.




OUR MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT IS THAT THERE WILL BE A MAJOR ANNOUNCMENT NEXT WEEK.

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Honswoggle isn't a stretch, form cruiserweight champion and has GM experience.
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I like the way you're treating that position like a shoot, Fan.
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I imagine it'll be Goldust.
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bastard mcmahon too
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