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Old 03-30-2018, 08:50 PM   #41
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I dunno. If wrestlers really made more money on the indies and it was easier I am sure more would take that route.
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Old 03-30-2018, 08:56 PM   #42
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:06 PM   #43
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Plus Cody wants more than money he wants moments, others take money over moments.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:08 PM   #44
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I dunno. If wrestlers really made more money on the indies and it was easier I am sure more would take that route.
Lower card WWE guys arent making as much as you think they are. Most of us in the board earn better livings. NXT guys make fuck all.
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Vince takes advantage. If you're lower tier, you're signing with the fed for the opportunity
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:54 PM   #46
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That's very true, but I think it takes a special set of circumstances to be someone who is actually going to benefit from going elsewhere. Guys like Luke Harper and Cesaro would be in prominent roles in New Japan and the people who follow that would be jizzing, but in three years do they sign and get a monster push, or do they get re-inserted into their mid-card positions? Maybe they would be better off sticking around and building up that tenure?

I agree with KENTA. I can think of ways the WWE could use him better than he is now, but realistically, putting that sort of commitment into him is going to be loading up a property you aren't really going to be banking on. It feels like he would get something out of "artistic redemption" away from the WWE.
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Old 03-30-2018, 10:10 PM   #47
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Old 03-31-2018, 06:36 AM   #48
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Mojo. It's clear they don't plan to utilize him all that much let alone push him anytime soon.
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Old 03-31-2018, 07:39 AM   #49
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Not always. You're better off having a stint with the WWE to give you the recognition--from there you can hustle and make cash.

Though, Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks both make more than if they were currently with the WWE. I know Omega had a stint in developmental but he barely made a ripple in the water.
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Depends on how much you're making. Its not black and white no matter how hard you try and play it up to be.
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Old 03-31-2018, 10:31 AM   #51
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Yeah but Gertner is in "smartest guy in the room" mode in this thread so you're not going to get through to him.
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Old 03-31-2018, 10:47 AM   #52
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I'm trying to think of a good way to explain what Destor (and myself) are trying to say.

There's certain guys who thrive in the Indy environment (like the Young Bucks) more than they ever would in the WWE. To the point that they are essentially kings of the Indies.

Mind you, given their current status as merch slingers and the amount they're now making, they'd get a nice deal to go to the E. BUT, if we're talking about the Bucks 6 years ago, if they went to the E, it likely would have hurt their earning potential--so the best thing they could have done was hustle in the Indies to increase their earning potential.

You could say eventually you have to go to the Fed to make the most money possible, but going at the wrong time would hamper your overall earnings in the long run.
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:11 PM   #53
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I dont think people understand just how expensive travel is. Doing a tour in Japan isnt that bad. Its only 6 weeksish driving around an island. Is not a huge place. Once youre home you might take half a dozen dates for some money marks and make a killing doing. Pad your calender with a few high profile shows for visibility. Not that bad at all.

The fed youre on the road nearly non stop and unles youve got status and tenure travel fees are your problem That gets expensive fast.

A guy like Gallows for example isnt going to make what he was making without some major bonuses.

There is this mystique than the fed everyone is getting rich and the indies everyone starves and that just isnt true.

The top guys get super rich in the fed, more so than they could anywhere else. But the random guys lower on the card can and routinely do make more elsewhere. Depends on the individual.

A guy like Kenny Omega would sacrifice the lions share of his earnings his first year before he renegotiated. Where as if Elias left the WWE he's going to end bagging groceries.
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This is the basically The Bullet Club Law. If you are a high profile member of The Bullet Club then you have booking opprotunities with ROH and NJPW. From there you are making contacts with PWG (if you didn't start out there) which would mean that the whole WWN Network would want to book you, which would mean that the promotions under WWN would want to book you....


But let's say you are Bo Dallas... you know you're going to get bookings from places like New England Championship Wrestling or what I would consider "regional spot indies".... And these guys can get big crowds at times, but only if they book a mega card with former WWE and TNA guys. Bo isn't likely going to be a commodity in workrate promotions that The Bullet Club are hot in.

I think Dolph would've been one who could've followed in Cody's indy footsteps, but I think that he's getting 500,000 a year for like 5 or 6 years and room to work on acting/standup/whatever else he wants to do. That's a dope deal, you can't really beat that.

Let's say Bo is making 250,000 yearly right now, maybe more who knows (in 2015 WWE said the average salary of a WWE Supestar was 500,000). Would he top that on the indies? I doubt it, not in the places that he'd end up working. Would he be able to make a living for the next 5 years? Probably, but not like he'd get in WWE.

And again, Cody is one of the few who was passionate enough about the arch of his career to leave guaranteed gold to go out and get star ratings from Dave.
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I totally get NXT guys making more on the Indies, but what about guys like Jack Swagger, Damian Sandow etc. There's no way that they are making more on the Indies. I heard Cody's price is $2500 a shot. Swagger can't be getting more than that , although I heard his asking price is more. So if Swagger is pulling in when it's all said and done $5000-7000 a month on the Indies, is that better than what he was doing in the Fed?
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:31 PM   #56
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Do alot of guys price themselves out of bookings? I've heard that was an issue with quite a few ex WWE talents.

Also, doesn't the WWE pay for any injuries you suffer? I can't imagine how much it would cost to get insurance if you're an indie guy?
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:36 PM   #57
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Observer reported this time last year that Swagger was asking 4,000. I know that when promotions work together they can sometimes get guys on discount. Do my show for 2500 then the next night Gabe can pay you 2,000 kind of deals.

I remember hearing that Mysterio was out pricing himself about a year after he left WWE but then he went to Mexico and got in great shape and brought his stock back up to where he is now, choosing between three companies.

I've also read that Ryback thinks he's bigger than he is which is why you never read about him making dates.
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Had to go on and search for Ryback and see what he's doing. He has two appearances at WM Week, two signings on the 6th, and then the 7th. He couldn't even get booked in a match. His website is all about his shitty looking pre and post workout supplements. I gotta admit to you, there's something about Ryback that isn't "right". He's got some delusional traits that really turn me off. I'm sure he'll return for a hot spot someday but I'm not interested currently.
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Had to go on and search for Ryback and see what he's doing. He has two appearances at WM Week, two signings on the 6th, and then the 7th. He couldn't even get booked in a match. His website is all about his shitty looking pre and post workout supplements. I gotta admit to you, there's something about Ryback that isn't "right". He's got some delusional traits that really turn me off. I'm sure he'll return for a hot spot someday but I'm not interested currently.
sad he can't even get on impact. I wonder what Richard justice the alt wrestler is doing wrestlemania weekend
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Jason Jordan, this guy could cure every form of cancer and still have the crowd shitting on him, they just don't buy into him or this retarded story-line he was involved with.
He's about to be one of the hottest heels when he comes back, I feel.
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Jason Jordan, this guy could cure every form of cancer and still have the crowd shitting on him, they just don't buy into him or this retarded story-line he was involved with.
With respect to your post, I believe that you have very substantial gaps in your understanding of professional wrestling if you believe that to be the case. All indications point to Jason Jordan having a very strong run as a heel for the company. I'd be interested in hearing as to why you feel otherwise.
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Goddammit, I wish you were right. He's the most wasted potential WWE has ever seen.
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Goddammit, I wish you were right. He's the most wasted potential WWE has ever seen.
I think D'Lo Brown might have something to say about that.

The dude was getting very good face pops back in 2000. Unfortunately, the Drozdov incident, combined with the rumours of him jumping ship to WCW, made him the WWE's whipping boy.
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Mojo. It's clear they don't plan to utilize him all that much let alone push him anytime soon.
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Ryback and Johnny Curtis as the faces of Raw and Smackdown respectively. Money.
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Apparently Rusev is asking for his release. He's a good one. Talented guy who's been completely underutilized since his initial run.
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I predicted he would do this by the end of the year, sadly. If his happiness is at stake and he and Lana have both saved their money, this is a viable option for them.
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Brocks fucking off soon, potentially after Sunday. Can't say i'm sorry to see him go, just been a lazy fat prick that does the bare minimum, a stark contrast to his first run in the company.
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Old 04-05-2018, 07:31 PM   #70
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I used to feel this way, and even made a whole rant thread about it. But over time, I've thought about it and I'm pretty much of the opinion it's not Brock's fault.

I mean if you could perform a job you weren't passionate about, but could get away with being lazy, and get paid millions of dollars to do so, wouldn't you.

Like if you got paid 10 million dollars to work at Walmart for 12 days a year, but you didn't actually have to give a shit while you were there, would you? I don't think most people would.

Mind you, I still think it sucks and I'll be glad he's gone too, but I don't have any hate for brock anymore.
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Yeah, I can't fault anyone for not having passion for their "art" while performing in WWE. He put in the work to become a star and make himself valuable to WWE. Good on his part.
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Shane McMahon, its not going to end well for him. With Steph and Triple H above him he will be sideways promoted.
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Brock vs. AJ was the WWE Match of the Year in 2017. Don't get people's gripe with him. He does what he is paid to do. The WWE sucks around Brock -- not his fault.
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When he's put into something meaningful and interesting, Lesnar shows up for work. His return match with Cena was stellar. His match against Punk was stellar. His squash match on Cena, followed by the triple thread at the Rumble and his match against Roman at mania during that title run was stellar.

Even his two matches with Taker as well as the Styles match were great. Even the Goldberg match a year ago was great even though it was short. When Lesnar is put into something worth a lick he steps it up. I don't blame him for phoning it in against the Dean Ambroses and other throw away matches of the world.
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When he's put into something meaningful and interesting, Lesnar shows up for work. His return match with Cena was stellar. His match against Punk was stellar. His squash match on Cena, followed by the triple thread at the Rumble and his match against Roman at mania during that title run was stellar.

Even his two matches with Taker as well as the Styles match were great. Even the Goldberg match a year ago was great even though it was short. When Lesnar is put into something worth a lick he steps it up. I don't blame him for phoning it in against the Dean Ambroses and other throw away matches of the world.
100% this.
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Going to go throw Cesaro out there again. I'd maybe see what they gave me to do until SummerSlam -- like, am I moving to SmackDown and will I get to wrestle AJ Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura? Or am I the dude that loses to kids?
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Old 04-28-2018, 06:17 PM   #77
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I found this video, in-which 10 wrestlers are alleged to have profited more post-WWE than they did during their peak in WWE.
http://youtuberepeater.com/watch?v=9ukMw3x0m_g&name=10+Ex+WWE+Wrestlers+Who+Got+Richer+After+Leaving+CM+Punk+Ryback+and+more

Going by the match frequency and the charge-per-appearance some of those guys do, it seems feasible those listed are commanding a higher hourly wage -- but not annual total wages.

For instance, Ryback charges at-least $4,500 per appearance.

Source: https://www.inquisitr.com/3406974/ww...wwe-departure/

If he were to wrestle a schedule comparable to what he had done in WWE, then he'd be earning:

$4,500 * 200 matches = $900,000, which would be comparable to his WWE salary.

However, Ryback wrestles about one-fifth of his WWE schedule, which reduces his annual earnings to $180,000.

What I'm saying is that some of the claims in the video seem ill-supported.
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Given how a lot of wrestlers talk, it wouldn’t surprise me that a lot of them were really bad at maths.
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I feel like Noid is 133 1/3% correct in his assessment of wrestlers overall mathematic ability.
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is that scot steiner math
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