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Old 02-07-2018, 03:06 PM   #81
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Old 02-07-2018, 03:12 PM   #82
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Holy Shit, So excited and thank god my Netflix is already paid for 3 months so I don't forget to watch this.
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Old 02-07-2018, 06:26 PM   #83
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Gonna be very hard, probably impossible, to top the first season. Looking forward to this a lot, though.
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Old 02-07-2018, 06:35 PM   #84
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Well So Far, Netflix is 1-0 in the Second Season being better then the first when it comes to Marvel.
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Old 02-07-2018, 06:38 PM   #85
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I'd say Daredevil season 1 was better than season 2
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Old 02-07-2018, 06:56 PM   #86
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Both were good, but I liked 2 more. Just felt it flowed and lacked the lag of Season 1 which was a better story ark. I just only rate it lower because of the lagging of things in Season 1.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:05 PM   #87
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I loved season one mostly because David Tennant is amazing in everything and he was amazing as Kilgrave. And based on the end of that trailer, it looks like Kilgrave could be back. God I hope so.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:06 PM   #88
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I'd say Daredevil season 1 was better than season 2
The Punisher story lines in season two and the scenes were amazing. I thought the Punisher killing scenes in Daredevil season 2 were more graphic then in his own show.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:43 PM   #89
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I sincerely hope the directors stunt doesn't screw up this season.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:50 PM   #90
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Old 02-07-2018, 08:59 PM   #91
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Marvel Studios excluded male directors. Every director this season is female, by gimmick rather than merit. I'm not a fan of that kind of thing, not with WW or BP either (though they lucked out). Cpt Marvel also disqualified based on gender for a female director. Probably gonna be a 'thing' now.
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Old 02-07-2018, 09:02 PM   #92
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Sexist/racist decisions like those are very sexy right now
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Old 02-07-2018, 09:11 PM   #93
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Old 03-03-2018, 05:36 AM   #94
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Heh, I wasn't keeping track so I had no idea season 2 was so close to be released. Was at a bus stop and saw a poster, which just had "Jessica Jones, March 8th", no mention it's season 2 and was like "Oh come the fuck on, are we seriously over 2 years late with that show?" but then I went home and checked. Good, gonna binge that shit.
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Old 03-03-2018, 07:19 AM   #95
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Yeah, I saw yesterday that it dropped on the 8th and I had the same reaction (except for thinking it was talking about the first season)
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Old 03-03-2018, 12:39 PM   #96
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I think what he meant was that he did NOT think that.
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Ah. I see. He had the same reaction in that he hadn’t been keeping track and was surprised.
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Ah. I see. He had the same reaction in that he hadnít been keeping track and was surprised.
I think so.

Anyway, I don't have Netflix, but people are kind and the torrents are up the very same day.
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Old 03-03-2018, 02:07 PM   #100
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I think it's gonna be very tough to top the first season
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Yeah, people that've already seen it say it lacks a villain.

Hard to top Tennant, but is there even a particular villain here? Trailer shows some Asian guy a few times, but he doesn't seem like much.
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I never made it to the end of Season 1 (also haven’t watched DD S2, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, or Defenders).
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Old 03-04-2018, 10:32 AM   #103
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Season 1 is a high bar. Im hoping its half as good.
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Just finished episode 6. So halfway thru. Shit'd getting heavy. It's a different vibe from season 1. Good character progra progression. Interesting storyline with, so far, less stakes but still intimate to the character.
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5 episodes through and its boring as fuck. I have no clue who JJ is even looking for. I dont think she knows. I not even sure the script knows as of 5 episodes. I feel like the first 5 episodes have been stuck in the mud and cant get out.
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Finished.

Gonna give another few days before giving my full thoughts but I will say Jessica Jones is becoming legit unlikable as a character to me. Conversely, I kinda like all her supporting characters a lot more. Especially Trish.
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I wonder if they will go the Hellcat route with her or take her on Tigra's Journey. Provided there is another season
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Finished.

Gonna give another few days before giving my full thoughts but I will say is becoming legit unlikable as a character to me. Conversely, I kinda like all her supporting characters a lot more. Especially Trish.
I think the point of Jessica Jones,currently, is exactly that. She is unlikable, she knows she is unlikeable partially because of shit that went down in her past and partially because it's just in her nature to be a loner. I assume the next season will either continue with her actually "living" and having to deal with the fallout from that or we find her living out of a bottle again because she managed to fuck it up. Again.
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No; I 100% know all about the various versions of the louse archetype. I can promise you the impression I'm getting is not a 'point of character', 'boo at the heel' thing.

She was legit unlikable this season. I know exactly what you're referring to and can probably elaborate on it a great deal myself, but her direction this season was mishandled.
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No; I 100% know all about the various versions of the louse archetype. I can promise you the impression I'm getting is not a 'point of character', 'boo at the heel' thing.

She was legit unlikable this season. I know exactly what you're referring to and can probably elaborate on it a great deal myself, but her direction this season was mishandled.
I wanna say that her character has devolved into being unlikeable where she was Sympathetic and understandable in her "louseness" and just a likable grouch in Defenders. Now we get to see that she just cannot deal shes a miserable person and the only help shes interested in is the bottle that coupled with the stuff shes been asking herself/blaming herself for we a Jessica that I do think is unlikeable on purpose.
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Have no issue that she drinks and is overwhelmed by her trauma. Again, I know the difference between intention and poor character. This isn't a Vicky Guerero thing, it's an X-Pac thing.
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I kinda felt like this season was written by someone from Telltale - particularly someone who worked on Game of Thrones and Walking Dead - in that it seemed like the worst possible fuckups and outcomes was where everything immediately went. It was one big cascading critical failure, and much like my issues with Punisher in that Frank had relied one too many times on luck and happenstance to get out of situations rather than him being a badass solider, this was like a 180. . It turned into a whole session of "well, how is *this* going to go horribly wrong?" Nobody is that fucking unlucky. Not even me.

I don't have nearly as much of a problem with Jessica herself like kT does as much as I take issue with her entire section of the universe going to total shit.
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Old 03-12-2018, 03:04 AM   #114
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Yeah there's a kind of 'trauma porn' element to S2 but I'm actually not so bothered with that. Every show has a flavor and that's the flavor of this show. I would only advise them not to forget that Jones is still a Marvel character, a Defender, who should give at least a half fuck about the people around her. She was particularly callous and selfish this season.

And most glaringly; stupid. Jessica Jones always had her demons that expressed as snark, sarcasm, and faux apathy. But she was never stupid, not for emotion not for selfishness. This season she was very stupid and every character around her got a major boost in cred calling it out - except shockingly some of these scenes were directing as THEM being out of line and unfair or insensitive.

I have my theories based on the production team how that narrative could possibly be greenlit, but it's not unique when 'certain people' are allowed to write 'certain characters of a certain gender' and we end up with a caricature.

This was Trish's season and if they have 5% of common sense season 3's conflict should be obvious and awesome.
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Yeah, that was another thing I noticed... just about anytime called out Jessica on her bullshit, it just so happened that they were being a massive hypocrite when they did it.

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like the whole time Trish keeps going on about how much Jess's mom is supposedly manipulating her. Like, seriousl?. You're an expert on giving this advice after a few days? But *she* gets shitty whenever Jessica has apparently done the same thing for the last 15 years or so about Trish's self-absorbed, gloryhound of a mother.


Or the fact that NOBODY answers their fucking phone. So many of this season's conficts would have been resolved if there wasn't so much widespread "eh, I don't feel like talking to this person right now" exactly when a critical bit of information is trying to be relayed by EVERYONE. If it is that important, at least also shoot a text.

But back to the "trauma porn" aspect:
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It was literally every aspect of this season. Yeah, it makes "good drama" but fuck...

okay, so mom gets to get tortured by the prison guard, only to have him get accidentally offed by Jessica, and then the "nice one" that takes over for him just so happens to get killed because she flies into a rage because she just so happened to see the news report where the doc died?

Or Jessica is able to defuse the situation of Trish getting killed, RIGHT BEFORE the cops come busting in with guns drawn, and one of the first responders just so happens to have a mad-on for powered people and just has to kick the hornet's nest?

Or that Trish just so happens to shoot Alisa in the head RIGHT AFTER she decides she's going to turn herself back in to save her daughter... because that was the instant she got the wild hair up her ass to go do it AND just so happened to figure out where they were going and just so happened to beat the cops there?

And that it Dickhead Price just so happens to send his friend in to steal all of Jessica's shit just so he can steal her cases, and just so happens... you know, I'm really tired of writing "just so happens", and I've only cited a few examples. The whole season is full of them.

I hope whatever "awesome" you are alluding to is where it's going. I say that as someone pretty unfamiliar with the source, so I pretty much came into all of the Defenders as not really a fan one way or the other, as I was only vaguely familiar with Daredevil, and those were kind of auxillary meetings from other comics I had, but not many specifically about Matt Murdock himself.


But overall, I'd say the biggest and truest problem comes from trying to do to much. What I mean by that is, season 1 got heaps of praise for being such a damn good metaphor for an abusive relationship. And I think that praise created pressure to do it again. Except instead of having good story with an underlying narrative, we got about 4 different underlying narritives; addictions, traumatic loss, psycologically abusive families, and a degree of mental illness all fighting to be the central focus for that same praise from season 1, and instead, they all meet in a trainwreck which makes none of them nearly as good.

Saying all this makes it sound like I hated it. I really didn't. I just think this was a misstep that is hopefully setting up something better down the line in a Jessica 3/Defenders 2 kinda way.
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Especially with all the "You could be more..." always being thrown her way. And the moment after saving that family with her mom on the highway seemed like it should be a pivotal thing, but again, with all the downtrodden shit shoehorned all over the place, it felt like that was glossed over and possibly not something that will be mentioned again.


And even saying all that, it *still* wasn't painful to watch like Iron Fist was.
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On Trish and her potential angle:

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In the comics she's a c-list hero called Hellcat, who nobody cares about. But in the context of this show we could be seeing a POSSIBLE villain or at least protagonist Hellcat for a Jessica vs Trish. Assuming Defenders 2 comes out before JJ S3, it could also be a central arc there instead. Trish's life is pretty much fucked and with her wish finally granted, she may jump head first into vigilantism costume and all. But this show being what it is, and not knowing the true nature of her abilities yet, it can go a lot of ways.
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Not knowing that, or about the character, that seemed like the direction this was heading anyhow. About the only thing I know about anything is the eventual baby between Jessica and Luke, but I wonder if that's something that's going to be swerved around to create a different story within the confines of the MCU.

One thing I do find uniquely interesting is Hogarth. She's seems like one loooong origin story for a superhero or supervillain. Or both. She seems to slide between Lawful Evil and Chaotic Neutral. Although right now, she's a contributing factor to the "doing too much with underlying narritives" I previously mentioned (yeah, she's gay, we get it... that's been well established in the bounds of the Netflix shows already. Why are we being beat in the head with it now with this season of Jessica Jones???), but she dances a line between self-serving amorality and genuinely desiring justice. She goes one step beyond cold, terse bitch to make you hate her, then she does something that makes you pity, sympathise, or even *agree* with her. Kinda reminds me of Hand in SHIELD, just way less of a four episode red herring and more like she's really building to something over the course of the events in New York.

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I loved season 2. And think it was as good if not better than the first season. My only quibble was the Kilgrave cameo was not needed.

I am hoping with Trish possibly becoming Hellcat soon that means we will get Damien Hellstorm AKA Son of Satan appearing.

Keep hearing that there isn't going to be a second season of Defenders. I have tried 2 times to watch the first season of Defenders but by the 3rd episode I get bored and give up.
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Old 04-22-2018, 10:46 AM   #119
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Trauma doesnt die because a person does. Very important episode to demostrate her mental health. Also hugely entertaining
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