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Old 06-15-2018, 03:02 PM   #41
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I doubt they are getting a Saturday date with the Knicks and Rangers still playing then. That's a major reason why I think it'll be the Hulu Theater. Seats about 5000.
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:02 PM   #42
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It's just that prestige. They're running in the WWE's venue and the most famous arena in the world. I don't think you're wrong about it lacking business sense. Especially considering Sinclair have never really seemed to want to go "all in" with ROH. I wonder if some of the costs are going to be split with New Japan and/or CMLL or whoever else ROH has a friendly relationship with.
But what does prestige get you? Nobody will care a month after that ROH ran MSG.
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Old 06-16-2018, 05:44 AM   #43
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But what does prestige get you? Nobody will care a month after that ROH ran MSG.
I think they hope that it will get them coverage in New York as the "new" and "trendy" wrestling project that is playing MSG for the fan that loves tradition and whatnot.
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Old 06-16-2018, 05:59 AM   #44
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Everything you're saying is strictly true, but I think there's something to the story. The charm of an underdog or whatever.
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Old 06-16-2018, 11:25 AM   #45
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But what does prestige get you? Nobody will care a month after that ROH ran MSG.
Yeah, I don't know if it'd work but I still think it's the intent.
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Old 06-16-2018, 03:04 PM   #46
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Could see them parlay this into a major yearly event similar in status to their Mania weekend event but all depends how successful this event is or if they can even hold one due to WWE's pettiness.
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Old 06-16-2018, 03:07 PM   #47
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WWE is so fucking petty. Now that have an unlimited bank account and I don't want anyone to take the bait. I mean, money is money so I get it. But this environment makes me love the artist who doesn't want to be dictated in his craft.
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Old 06-16-2018, 07:02 PM   #48
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Could see them parlay this into a major yearly event similar in status to their Mania weekend event but all depends how successful this event is or if they can even hold one due to WWE's pettiness.
Doing it every year seems a bit...much. It's a gimmick that they could keep in their bag of tricks to think about in a few years time, but the show is just going to cost so much money that I don't know if they'd want to do it all the time. I see them trying to do one show, hope that makes people go "ROH, ROH, ROH is a thing, check out ROH" and then that's it.

But because New Japan is going to start working with WWE, that New Japan/ROH is going to be dissolved pretty fast beyond the talent that actually have ROH contracts, so they won't lock the Garden.
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Old 06-16-2018, 07:04 PM   #49
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If I were Vince, I would not give a fuck who runs the Garden at this point. There's a reason he stopped running there. He's trying to block for the same reason that ROH is trying to get in there -- prestige and history that isn't really going to amount to anything other than symbolism. But Vince trying to block actually lends credence to it being a "blow" to him, when it's really just a company spending an obscene amount of money to run an arena he outgrew.
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Old 06-16-2018, 08:36 PM   #50
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So I asked Seth what the WWE gets charged to run an event at MSG and he said around $250,000. That's a lot of friggen money.
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Old 06-16-2018, 08:39 PM   #51
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Is that with the broadcasting fee on top of it?
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Old 06-16-2018, 08:45 PM   #52
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I believe it's just for rent.
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So I asked Seth what the WWE gets charged to run an event at MSG and he said around $250,000. That's a lot of friggen money.
weeeew lord. Probably never make anything there.
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The Sinclair CEO has confirmed WWE blocked them from doing the show...super petty of WWE but not surprising.
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The Sinclair CEO has confirmed WWE blocked them from doing the show...super petty of WWE but not surprising.
Damn.

I think Jordan Xs idea still sorta worked though, a bit of exposure, free advertising.
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Old 06-19-2018, 08:26 PM   #59
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I'm almost thinking that they did this to get some good publicity. That's how unlikely this show was happening.
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I'm almost thinking that they did this to get some good publicity. That's how unlikely this show was happening.
Probably. Once WWE got wind of not one but two companies trying to run at MSG, was only a matter of time before they got involved personally. WWE gets all the bad press for causing ROH to cancel their MSG plans while ROH gets free sympathy in return.

Post Wrestling's John Pollock mentioned ROH does need a bigger venue for next year's Supercard of Honor show since the event has outgrown what the Hammerstein Ballroom can hold as their NY home.
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They should still book a major venue during WM Week. There aren't a ton of options that I can think of in the city they'd have to go to Jersey for a big venue.
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WWE fears ROH and New Japan, fuck them for doing this. Afraid that tons of people can get a chance to see a more talent based product?
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This has been going on forever and ever. The WWF and NWA used to do this to each other alllllllll the time.
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According to the Observer and PWI, ROH's parent company Sinclair is considering filing a lawsuit against the WWE for causing their MSG show to be canceled. Also reported it wasn't Vince who made the decision to get this event canned.

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ROH COO Joe Koff, in an interview with Mike Johnson, said, “I’m not going to discuss beyond this statement because I am not going to litigate this in the press. We had a deal with the Garden and they then told us they were backing out after communications from the WWE. We are not able to get any other dates in any kind of discussion. I’m expecting that our lawyers will be contacting all the parties involved and the best we can hope for is that we can find resolution, and we can bring the kind of energy and excitement that ROH and our partner New Japan brings to a bigger audience and to bigger arenas to the fans of New York City.”
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After Chris Ripley, the CEO of Sinclair Broadcasting on 6/12 first publicly announced an ROH show in MSG (the date itself was first reported here), WWE immediately went to work, although one source said it only took one call from a high ranking WWE official, and not from Vince McMahon, and Madison Square Garden contacted ROH and pulled the date. We were told last week by sources close to the situation that it could and probably would turn into an ugly legal fight.

The story is that they had an agreement on the date but the contract for the date had not been signed. ROH by late last week was contacting other arenas in the New York metropolitan area to run that night, but we were also told Sinclair was furious and legal proceedings could take place and were being explored.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:45 PM   #68
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Of course it wasn't Vince. What attention is he paying to ROH?
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I'm almost thinking that they did this to get some good publicity. That's how unlikely this show was happening.
I was thinking the same thing. Get the attention for wanting to do a show there without actually having to pay for one. That being said, all the babyface attention goes out the window when you throw your toys out of the pram and start talking about lawsuits because you don't get to do a thing you thought of.
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I think the NJPW/ROH show at the Garden before WM will sell out
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Old 07-30-2018, 10:44 PM   #71
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It's possible. Everybody is going to be there anyways. Supercard of Honor usually sells out but at a much smaller venue around where Mania takes place. They usually do the show on the same day NXT TakeOver is booked now. I'm interested in going since it's only relatively quick bus trip. I'd probably still see NXT anyways.
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