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Old 02-01-2008, 12:57 PM   #4521
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Dunno, most be home-town biased because I watch every play of every game and I don't see where they're holding more or less then anyone else.

That being said, for years the Broncos were always considered the best OL in the league and also the dirtiest, so I tend to think if an OL is playing very well, people assuming they are holding and clipping and such because they don't think it's possible for the OL to do that well w/o cheating.

on the other "story" Arlen Spector was quoted in an ESPN interview that he first questioned this before the Eagles game and didn't get any response.

Kinda funny, a Senator using his power to try and stong arm the NFL because he thinks maybe his favorite team got cheated...

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Looks like Roger Goodell is in some trouble.

He's been summoned by the Senate to talk about why he destroyed the evidence in the Patriots spying incident.
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Its pretty lame that this senator waits until the night before the superbowl to do this. Obviously he has an agenda.
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Its pretty lame that this senator waits until the night before the superbowl to do this. Obviously he has an agenda.
yeah, he says he sent his original letter in november (right before the philly game) wanting to know if what happened would have an effect on the game and if it had an effect on the superbowl pats vs. eagles and never got a response, the NFL claims they "just got his letters now".

I love Godells response today

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The reason I destroyed the tapes is they were totally consistent with what the team told me," Goodell said during his State of the NFL speech. "It was the appropriate thing to do and I think it sent a message.

"The actual effectiveness of taping and taking of signals from opponents - it is something done widely in many sports. I think it probably had limited, if any effect, on the outcome of games.

"That doesn't change my perspectve on violating rules and the need to be punished."
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"We wanted to take and destroy that information," he said. "They may have collected it within the rules, but we couldn't determine that. So we felt that it should be destroyed."
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"I think it was the best way to make sure the Patriots followed my instructions, to make sure that bit of information would not appear anywhere again," he said. "If it did, I'd know they didn't hand me all the information. Not having those tapes out there, now I know if something arises, they didn't tell me the truth."
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on a note of more interest from the press confrence.

They're considering re-seading playoff teams, so a 10-6 wild card team would be at home and host a 9-7 division winner.

not sure how I feel about this one...

They're basiclly trying to do away with teams who have locked it up in a shitty division resting people, so all the games count...

dunno, I kinda think if you're 12-3 the last week, you earned the right to do whatever you want with your players.
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how are they gunna make the games count?
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how are they gunna make the games count?
thats what I couldn't quite figure out, I think he meant it makes it count for lower teams, but they're normally still going all out for a shot at the playoffs...

oh and just another Spector thing I just heard... to top it all off, one of his biggest contributers is comcast... so this isn't as much to do w/ the Eagles as it is the whole NFL network deal.
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So, apprently the NFL has in their copywright of games that you can not view them/show them on a screen bigger then 55 inches.

They send letters to a movie chain that was going to show the game for free on the big screen.

I understand wanting to control your product and all, but you think more viewers = more ad dollars...
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oh, and some giant backup thats been on IR most the year got arrested for DUI so the team sent him home...
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What's up with all this spygate shit again, jeez. Pats are winning in a blowout for sure now.
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Old 02-02-2008, 12:27 PM   #4534
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Now there's reports that the Patriots secretly taped the Rams' walkthrough the day before Super Bowl XXXVI.

I don't know why this is all coming out now but it seems to be a pretty solid argument for why we don't need the bye week before the Super Bowl.
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Now there's reports that the Patriots secretly taped the Rams' walkthrough the day before Super Bowl XXXVI.

I don't know why this is all coming out now but it seems to be a pretty solid argument for why we don't need the bye week before the Super Bowl.
There is way too much shit to squeeze in within one weeks time. There would hardly be time to practice/gameplan with only a week.
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dunno, I always thought the hype was more about more time for the NFL to make it an "event" and any banged up players to heel...

I think most teams do fairly well with gameplans and time w/ only a week off like usual.


oh and this former Pats employee who claims to be the smoking gun and doesn't know why no one contacted him... this is my favorite part

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Walsh said he is fearful of potential legal action against him by either the league or the Patriots if he details what he knows. He refused to provide evidence of potential wrongdoing unless ESPN agreed to pay his legal fees related to his involvement in the story, as well as to an indemnity that would cover any damages found against him in court. ESPN denied his requests.
If he's telling the truth he has no worries, if he's not and if he say has team property he stole, then yeah, it's an issue... anyway, I want to hear what he says.

As far as doing what the Pats did prior to this year, it wasn't a rule... so there is no issue there... cause again the issue was never the taping itself because every team does that and whatever else they can, the issue was where they were taping from which only became a rule this year.

On a side note, everyone blamed mangini for it, but it seems it was another staff member who was there back when Belicheck quit the Jets and still has bitter feelings, plus the Jets got caught by the Pats last year filming where they shouldn't be (by last years rules) and the Pats simply told him to move...

anyway, tomorows the game... if the Pats don't win, think anyone will still care about this crap?

It's funny how Spectors real targets doesn't seem to be the Patriots but the NFL... Guess you gotta keep your donaters happy.
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all this shit coming out about the Patriots could have come out 2months ago or after the Superbowl. I actually think it sucks alot more for the Giants lol. COMON ELI YOU CAN DO IT!
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I've been more about Eli this whole playoffs then i have been about Peyton. I just realised that. I'm really really rooting fro Eli to win this. I think it'd be so damn cool to have brothers win back to back Superbowls. Plus Archie Manning's sperm is probably the most expensive sperm on the market right about now.
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Tippett in the hall, about time!

I'm ok with people who pick the Giants to win w/ reasons like, what they're pass rush could do, Polaxico moving around and taking advantage of the height miss match...

but then you have idiots like Dr. Z...

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Why the Giants will win: The Giants will win via the following means: Kawika Mitchell fumble return for 36 yards for a TD, the ball being fumbled by Randy Moss. Lawrence Tynes field goal of 34 yards. Eli Manning pass to Amani Toomer for eight yards and TD. Ahmad Bradshaw eight yards off LT for TD. Extra point successful on each TD but not on the field goal because they don't kick twice. New England will score on Kevin Faulk TD of three yards, followed by an extra point blocked by Justin Tuck, then Laurence Maroney run of six yards for another TD, then Tom Brady pass to Kyle Brady (first double Brady TD in Super Bowl history), each score followed by successful perversion, uh, conversion. The N.Y. defense will hold the Patriots' offense to six points in first half, which will end 6-0 in favor of the aforementioned team, Giants will follow with scores against aging, tiring, depressed and despondent New England defense. Patriots will get two late scores to make the final score respectable and thus end up with the ultimate score which means 20.
I remember years ago when he seemed like he had 1/2 a clue... but the last fews years he's just an scenile old man.

Damon Hack also cnnsi had this to say, which while I don't agree the Giants will win at least makes some sense.

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The Giants have been hot and Eli has been mistake free the last month, that being said, 2 weeks kills momentum, and the Pats are riding the longest single season win streak in NFL history, the last game looked ugly but they won and they rarely have 2 bad games back to back.

I hate to predict it, but I think it's a blow out in the end... could it be close, sure... anything is possible, but a blow out would shock me much less then a 3point game.
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oh and to add to RP, if Eli does win, and gets MVP I'd kinda like to see a giants/colts super bowl next year.
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Yeah the fact that the Pats spying shit comes out now is what really pisses me off...and apparently, it was a Boston reporter who first brought it up. Almost seems like they purposely waited till now so they can further rile up the Pats.

Regardless...the way I see it is, both teams should be riled up 100% anyway. Its the Super Bowl, if you aren't completely riled up just by it being the Super Bowl, you shouldn't be out there, IMO.

I never thought the Giants would make it this far...so no matter what happens, its been an amazing year. But I do believe they can win it. Like 6 hours of hype to go...I can't wait for this game to start.
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oh and to add to RP, if Eli does win, and gets MVP I'd kinda like to see a giants/colts super bowl next year.
No..no you wouldn't.

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oh and to add to RP, if Eli does win, and gets MVP I'd kinda like to see a giants/colts super bowl next year.
If that happend, the Mannings would officially be bigger then The Beatles.
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Yeah the fact that the Pats spying shit comes out now is what really pisses me off...and apparently, it was a Boston reporter who first brought it up. Almost seems like they purposely waited till now so they can further rile up the Pats.
1) I don't think a Boston reporter had anything to do w/ Arlen Spector

2) if you lived here you'd understand the reports do nothing for the bennefits of the team, sure like most towns people root for their home town teams, but they'd give their arm (or some other part they care about) to break a huge story and especially where Belicheck has run the same "code of silence" with the media Parcelss did, the difference being Parcelss would joke around and give them nibble if it helped parcels, beliceck doesnt and most the sports media here hates him because he makes their job difficult.

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If that happend, the Mannings would officially be bigger then The Beatles.
only if they got matching beatles hair doos...

imagine the hype for the DSLL? (or whatever that double stuff thing was).
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I'm not predicting the Giants are gonna win here but I can't see them getting blown out. I understand the Pats are real good, but they're still human.
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Patriots to win by 8. Will be highscoring. Can't wait.
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I'm not predicting the Giants are gonna win here but I can't see them getting blown out. I understand the Pats are real good, but they're still human.
OK well.. i'm picking the Giants. Eli will lead a last minute drive. Tynes will kick a 27 yarder to win it. Eli Is the best Manning in the family for the next year.
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Oh man, this game needs to get here now. I'm sick of all the hype and all the talk.

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This game is not on the NFL network is it?
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No super bowl thread?
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If the Giants win, the headline in Boston newspapers should read " What the Tuck? "
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Very uneventful first half.
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I just got on ESPN radio and talked about my prediction for unsung hero of the Superbowl. Pretty sick, didn't think I would get through. I said Justin Tuck.
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the unsung hero right now is this Tom Petty concert
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