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View Poll Results: Who is the better wrestler?
"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels 21 65.63%
Hulk Hogan 11 34.38%
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:50 PM   #81
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Not american enough. All non american white people are like albino black people to him
Damn, I guess I'm now allowed to wear saggy pants, rap and call people "niggers".
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:51 PM   #82
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:02 PM   #83
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Wil. Someone please look at the pic from page 1 and tell me that there isnt sometning weird about it
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:02 PM   #84
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Is HBMs head photoshopped or what
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:06 PM   #85
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Analogy is bad though. Paying customers paid to see hogan for 25 years. Thats what good wrestlers do, they convince you theyre worth your money.

I love Chris Benoits work. Could watch him forever. He isnt better than john cena, cena convinced more people that he was worth money. Thats the business.

Michaels convinced you, and you voted for him based off that...thay means youre getting worked even now.

Hogan was better, he worked more people...he just hasnt aged well. I can say that...because its an objective opinion...ive never seen a hogan match i liked post...88...ish. lesnar killing him was great.

He's still easily better than the much more entertaining HBM.

But we will have the WHATS A RASSLER argument for 10 pages...every 3 days ornso...
Lot more people buy spam than lobster.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:08 PM   #86
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They wouldnt if tickets were the same price, and michaels tickets were cheaper
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Looks like his whole body is photoshopped into the background and then his head is photoshopped from yet another pic.
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But it's not illogical. We are simply grading on a different metric.

It's not "Most monetarily successful wrestler", it's "Best wrestler". Of course, being a draw plays its part, but it's not the be all and end all.
Jay Leno was a big draw.
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Looks like his whole body is photoshopped into the background and then his head is photoshopped from yet another pic.
Right????
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They wouldnt if tickets were the same price, and michaels tickets were cheaper
Spam still draws more than lobster.

Still, i see your point.

How about Hogan is McDonalds and HBK is (insert favorite fast food restaurant)?
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Wil. Someone please look at the pic from page 1 and tell me that there isnt sometning weird about it
I thought it had something to do with his right foot and the reflection of the floor or something.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:34 PM   #94
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Actually, his whole body.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:09 PM   #96
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Way bigger star in every meaningful way. If they're being subjective the choice is easy. If this is "who I like best" then it will also be easy.
It has to be subjective. "Who drew more" is objective. If that's how you're supposed to judge these things then the whole idea of Better Wrestler is retarded since there's a definitive right and wrong. There's WAY too many factors that go into someone drawing to use it as the gauge of how good the wrestler himself is. You've gotta say to yourself "If all conditions around both men are the exact same and put them on equal footing, who do I think would excel more."

In this case it's probably still Hogan. But fuck it. Glad HBK is somehow leading this thing because he is the Goddamn man.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:22 PM   #97
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When the gap is this wide its its hard to make an objective case for michaels. No one has yet
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:29 PM   #98
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But i agree with your point. Hogan is the longest sustainable draw of all time, but in my mind he isn the goat. Why? Because draw is but one, albeit massive, metric but it isnt EVERYTHING.

But if we're talking draw, workrate, promos, legacy etc etc etc hogan isnt going to trail anythig but matches. And we have 3 pages of people saying "well i liked him more." Which is fine, its just that isnt objective.

And yeah, same time, same screen time, both in their prime. Hogan is better. Hell an over the hill Hogan had more viewers than an in his prime michaels did. These guys did gp head to head every monday after all.
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Viewers though? That's draw again. Michaels is more fun to watch for me. And that's all wrestling is to me. Fun. Not gates and buys or whatever the fuck.
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Viewers though? That's draw again. Michaels is more fun to watch for me. And that's all wrestling is to me. Fun. Not gates and buys or whatever the fuck.
This is how I vote as well. I don't always give a reason for my vote because sometimes I feel it's an easy match up. Didn't see a lot of Micheals growing up but Hogan and the NWO was my during my childhood and I watched more WCW. Hate Hogan for what he did to TNA but as far as wrestling goes I had to go with Hogan. Being able to go back and watch stuff on the Network is great though and Hogan still comes out on top as he was a much bigger star for a much longer time.
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Yes, you liked michales better. Thats fiar, it wasnt the question but it was your answer. Youre free to give it
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Hogan to me was better, though it may have to do with nostalgia....I just felt he had a better presence to him.
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HBK. At this point there is no need to give a reason. BUT I WILL

I never vote based on draw, just over who I personally think was more talented overall when based on in-ring work and promos taken as a whole. Hogan was a slightly better promo than HBK, but HBK was LIGHTYEARS beyond Hogan in the ring.

I don't like using their draw as a metric, anyways, as a large part of the draw is in how creative books them and has nothing to do with their acting ability (like promos) or their in-ring work. It may not be a perfect example, because it wasn't sustainable, but take Goldberg. He was the single biggest draw ever during the streak and for a period after it ended. Goldberg also sucks sweaty goat balls as a wrestler imo. Statistically Konnan was a bigger draw than Hogan over the 90's; does that make him better than Hogan overall? NO WAY. Draw just isn't a good metric for me.
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Hogan. HB K was a really amazing wrestler but Hogan had an aura about him that was magical.
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Old 10-12-2017, 09:49 AM   #105
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Tough call. My top two favorites of all time. Have to think on this one.
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I voted for HBK because his movie "The Resurrection of Gavin Stone" reminds me of the "resurrection stone" from Harry Potter.
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I voted for HBK because his movie "The Resurrection of Gavin Stone" reminds me of the "resurrection stone" from Harry Potter.
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:36 AM   #108
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still more objective than most of the reasons thus far
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:43 AM   #109
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If it were called better draw, then it would definitely be Hogan, but since it's better wrestler, and I'm a fan of wrestling, I voted HBK. I can't remember a Shawn Michaels match that I didn't enjoy, and I can't remember a Hulk Hogan one that I did that didn't have Shawn Michaels in it. Even that was for all the wrong reasons.
Just gonna have to echo ABT here.
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Old 10-12-2017, 12:42 PM   #110
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Personally I just don't really give a fuck who drew the most money. If I was running a promotion I obviously would. But I'm not. I'm a fan who values great work in the ring above pretty much everything else. Personality, character, and promo ability would all factor in after that.

One thing I'll give Hogan credit for is that he was a better heel than Shawn, in my humble opinion. My god I hated Hollywood Hogan so much. Never had the same desire to punch Shawn in the face.

But overall package I still greatly prefer Shawn.
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Old 10-12-2017, 12:46 PM   #111
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Everyone prefers shawn, that poll would be a no brainer too. Preffered wrestler #81 Hogan v shawn would be a sweep for sure.
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Old 10-12-2017, 12:48 PM   #112
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Lol I prefer Hogan
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Old 10-12-2017, 12:54 PM   #113
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Old 10-12-2017, 01:17 PM   #114
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Old 10-12-2017, 05:12 PM   #115
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Just could never see what people saw in Hogan

HBK takes it
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Old 10-12-2017, 06:46 PM   #116
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Not sure if you grew up during Hogan's first reign. I started watching in 87 and was instantly a Hulkamaniac
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I was around but I was only 2.

I found Warrior more interesting visually but I started actually watching wrestling because of The Undertaker
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Hogan is like ECW. If you didn't experience it first hand, it's hard to explain the undying appeal to its fans.
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According to my mother, the first words I ever spoke were "Hulk Hogan". Not even kidding.
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