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Old 02-26-2015, 09:04 PM   #13681
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I was thinking before, as unlikely as this is, given that the public spotlight that is appearing on how the WWE treats its female employees -- I think the best Divas Title match the WWE could put on at WrestleMania, given the circumstances, is Nikki Bella defending the Divas Title against Paige and Emma in a Triple Threat Match.

The biggest problem is Emma's credibility, but we all know she can go. The smark crowd at WrestleMania will know she can go. The announcers can sell it as her "stepping up." That can be part of her story heading into the match. Have her and Paige get another shot against The Bella Twins on RAW, this time with time (the obvious stage one remedy), and the face girls actually win. Emma can then make Brie Bella tap-out to the Emma Lock on another RAW or SmackDown. Paige wants another title shot, but so does Emma. The two fight in a #1 Contender's Match, but Nikki and Brie keep putting feet on the ropes and all that. Eventually, Emma and Paige work out what is going on, and they go after The Bella Twins. The match is thrown out.

Brie being involved would add the drama of sisters fighting over the title, but she's been fine playing the bad sister helping out Nikki. Plus, it runs the risk of turning into a tag team match at points. The Bellas are bound to start fighting at some point, but it's going to be quite blocky. A Triple Threat allows Paige and Emma to team together, but when they fight, Nikki can pick her spots, and then Brie is free to run interference.

I wouldn't put the title on Emma, although it would be a feel-good moment, but Paige can win by pinning Nikki. Emma and Paige hug, but then Emma attacks Paige, turning heel on the grand stage. Does Emma become super-serious? Maybe. A fun gimmick like her's is great for getting a foot in the door, but she can surely mature past it. But she could also keep it and just act like a total bitch towards the face girls -- which her character in NXT actually did -- only now you are actually meant to boo her.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:06 PM   #13682
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If you throw that in there with a Stephanie McMahon/AJ Lee confrontation, where perhaps Sarah Amato attacks Lee from behind; and perhaps Natalya and Naomi getting involved in my dream Cesaro & Kidd vs. The Usos Ladder Match, and you've got yourself some very strong spots for the ladies.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:06 PM   #13683
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Just seems like a "mess" to me.... Going to be terrible for Daniel Bryan to get shoved into a random IC title match multi-man match.....

If they really want to put a bunch of people in the IC title picture.... I say somehow have the title become "held in abeyance" and then hold a mini-tournament at WM.

Daniel Bryan
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Bad New Barrett
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And kick out R-Truth from the mix because no one cares.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:08 PM   #13684
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I've come off my "The WWE should pay The Rock a lot of money to come in and face Rusev so that they can run Cena vs. Bryan" high, I do still think they should do Cena vs. Bryan. Just have Sheamus be the guy that faces Rusev, trying to win back his US Title.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:11 PM   #13685
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I seriously think that R-Truth is just in there because the WWE realized that there are no black talent involved in WrestleMania in any big way. Doing up all my fantasy cards for Mania, I figured this out myself and found myself trying to find a way to get The Prime Time Players and The New Day on the card, despite them not really being hot major acts at the moment.

And that's a problem. The WWE shoved Kofi Kingston and Big E, two babyface African-American stars with potential, into a faction that has made people care less about them, as opposed to more. Titus O'Neil is around, but they never did anything with him and they made him look foolish at the Royal Rumble. They could have bounced him back from this with a mean streak, but they didn't. And who was he realistically going to face? John Cena? Get off it. Mark Henry would no doubt be involved in something if he were around, but he's not in the best of ways physically at the moment, although a WrestleMania return wouldn't surprise me.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:16 PM   #13686
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Read the whole article, fan.
I did read it. It likened the Bryan/Reigns situation to the Hart/Luger situation and said how Vince wanted Luger to win the title at WrestleMania but when faced with the situation of the crowd rejecting the "Vince guy" for the "pure wrestler guy", he changed his mind. This time, he did not. What am I missing?
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:17 PM   #13687
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That Luger was not the guy either.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:19 PM   #13688
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Cannot believe how over Daniel Bryan was last year. Seriously. Wow. I regularly go back and watch the moment where Bryan rejected Bray Wyatt. As great as Wyatt is at the character, you can almost see him marking out.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:19 PM   #13689
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Just seems like a "mess" to me.... Going to be terrible for Daniel Bryan to get shoved into a random IC title match multi-man match.....

If they really want to put a bunch of people in the IC title picture.... I say somehow have the title become "held in abeyance" and then hold a mini-tournament at WM.

Daniel Bryan
Dolph Ziggler
Bad New Barrett
Dean Ambrose

And kick out R-Truth from the mix because no one cares.
I care about Truth. Now wash you mouth out with soap.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:19 PM   #13690
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That Luger was not the guy either.
Well technically he was never given the reins to see how it would turn out so we'll never know. He chose to give Bret the reins instead. This time, he went with his original plan. That was my point.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:23 PM   #13691
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I like Truth in the same way that I liked Rey Mysterio. People act like "Oh, it's fucking this guy again," but break down the guy's ability. He's a good worker in the ring, he's confident on the mic, he's able to warm up crowds -- he's an overall more than worthy addition to the roster. He's pretty much the perfect sports entertainer for any mid-card spot.

That being said, I could care about him so much more if he went crazy heel again.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:24 PM   #13692
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I remember thinking "R-Truth turning heel is cool, but how much gas does he really have in the tank to be a top guy coming out of this?" That was four years ago...
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:24 PM   #13693
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Let's put a guy coming off neck surgery in a multi man ladder match
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:25 PM   #13694
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Well technically he was never given the reins to see how it would turn out so we'll never know. He chose to give Bret the reins instead. This time, he went with his original plan. That was my point.
I think your point is missing the point of the article. That's all.
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I seriously think that R-Truth is just in there because the WWE realized that there are no black talent involved in WrestleMania in any big way. Doing up all my fantasy cards for Mania, I figured this out myself and found myself trying to find a way to get The Prime Time Players and The New Day on the card, despite them not really being hot major acts at the moment.

And that's a problem. The WWE shoved Kofi Kingston and Big E, two babyface African-American stars with potential, into a faction that has made people care less about them, as opposed to more. Titus O'Neil is around, but they never did anything with him and they made him look foolish at the Royal Rumble. They could have bounced him back from this with a mean streak, but they didn't. And who was he realistically going to face? John Cena? Get off it. Mark Henry would no doubt be involved in something if he were around, but he's not in the best of ways physically at the moment, although a WrestleMania return wouldn't surprise me.
That is actually a really good point. In which case they should have built up The New Day for a month and thrown them into a tag team ladder match with Usos/KiddCesaro. Kofi Kingston in a ladder match is always reliable.
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That is actually a really good point. In which case they should have built up The New Day for a month and thrown them into a tag team ladder match with Usos/KiddCesaro. Kofi Kingston in a ladder match is always reliable.
This is what I ended up thinking they could go with. There were only a few things I didn't like about it:

1. There are three New Day guys. That gives them an edge in a match like this. If one of them sits idly by in the back, they don't look hungry enough. If the third guy gets involved, then I can't justify them losing.

2. They have been booked so fucking shit and people don't care.

3. They have been presented like shit and people don't care. I thought the look was jarring at first, and that could be a good way to get them noticed. Nope. I was wrong, and the blue sucked shit. Makes them seem just happy to be around.

4. The Freebird dynamic is annoying me for some reason. They needed a heel group to feud with, but there was none around. The varying combinations makes it hard to get behind any particular two guys, and it's kind of heelish.

I could have been OK with them being in there, but I would have had them lose and turn heel afterwards. Or turn on each other and end that failed experiment. If you turn The New Day as a group, Kofi and Big E work the Ladder Match; if you break them up, Kofi & Woods do the stunts.
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Oh shit, the Ladder Match is actually official?
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Oh shit, the Ladder Match is actually official?
Yeah, I got a notification from the WWE app earlier
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Bad News Barrett
Dean Ambrose
Dolph Ziggler
Kofi Kingston
Sheamus
Kane (because someone needs to represent The Authority)
Jack Swagger (hey, he's a really good worker, can add to some power spots and won a MITB match before)
Finn Balor (because I can see even Vince McMahon jizzing at his WrestleMania entrance)
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Actually, take out Kane and have Chris Jericho enter. OH YEAH, BABYYYYYYYY!!!!!
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Greatest Intercontinental Champion of all-time entering a Ladder Match at WrestleMania makes sense.
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That leaves Cesaro/Kidd and The Usos to have a straight-forward tag match. Either that or The Ascension/New Day and The Prime Time Players will get involved. Or Naomi and Natalya will be in there officially. I kind of just want to see a straight-forward match. They're building up to it nicely.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:42 PM   #13703
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I've now decided I really want Luke Harper in that IC Title Ladder Match too.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:44 PM   #13704
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I'd mark out if Cesaro did what he did last year, and sneaks into the Ladder Match at the last minute and wins the whole thing.
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Actually, if he and Kidd lose the Tag Titles to The Usos (good bet), then I'd like to see Cesaro repeat win the Battle Royal. Seems more likely that it'll be going to Sheamus or Ryback, depending on who doesn't enter the Ladder Match, but I'd mark out for the Battle Royal coming down between Cesaro and Sami Zayn or something.
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Part of a longer article regarding Vince going all out with Reigns, Bryan's depressing star future, and the WWE being hell bent on defeating the fans this year. Link to the article below.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCirc..._on_fast_lane/
After reading this I'm genuinely depressed now... Like I've been losing interest in WWE for a while now and this just kinda pushed me over the edge, and not just the Bryan stuff. Undertaker's streak being over never really hit me until now. We've literally lost the most important prize in all of wrestling and the "payoff" is pretty much bust. We like to throw around "end of an era" as a joke 'round here, but honestly it really is. The pro-wrestling most of us grew up on is dead forever... Fuck... I'm gonna go cry now, guys.
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If they play up the fact that being the IC Champion is the stepping stool to the WWE Championship it will work out great. Basically they should play up that fact hard that winning it is a essentially being the number one contender. Essentially it needs to come off like being Money in the Bank when they did it yearly at WrestleMania.
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After reading this I'm genuinely depressed now... Like I've been losing interest in WWE for a while now and this just kinda pushed me over the edge, and not just the Bryan stuff. Undertaker's streak being over never really hit me until now. We've literally lost the most important prize in all of wrestling and the "payoff" is pretty much bust. We like to throw around "end of an era" as a joke 'round here, but honestly it really is. The pro-wrestling most of us grew up on is dead forever... Fuck... I'm gonna go cry now, guys.
If Daniel Bryan becomes the new Hacksaw Jim Duggan, I will be done forever.
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If they play up the fact that being the IC Champion is the stepping stool to the WWE Championship it will work out great. Basically they should play up that fact hard that winning it is a essentially being the number one contender. Essentially it needs to come off like being Money in the Bank when they did it yearly at WrestleMania.
They constantly play up how prestigious the IC title is.

Problem is is that they have booked it, and the mid-card, like garbage for so long that people just won't buy the title as a "legit".

What they really need to do is give it to one guy and let him hold it for a long time. I'm talking more than a year, here. I was hoping that after Survivor Series that man would have been Dolph Ziggler. Who The Authority would constantly make defend his title, but Ziggler would always come out on top. After a year of holding the belt, and defeating all challenges, both him and the belt would have looked aces.
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What's wrong with me that the most compelling storyline to me is Seth Rollins Vs. Jon Stewart?
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They constantly play up how prestigious the IC title is.

Problem is is that they have booked it, and the mid-card, like garbage for so long that people just won't buy the title as a "legit".

What they really need to do is give it to one guy and let him hold it for a long time. I'm talking more than a year, here. I was hoping that after Survivor Series that man would have been Dolph Ziggler. Who The Authority would constantly make defend his title, but Ziggler would always come out on top. After a year of holding the belt, and defeating all challenges, both him and the belt would have looked aces.
I'm 100% sure now that the longstanding complaint that WWE doesn't know how to build new stars is incorect, or at least not entirely correct.

The real problem is that they refuse to use the new stars they lucked into. Bryan and Ziggler and Ambrose were/are all incredibly over. They've all been shoved back down the card because fuck you that's why.

They're not hurting for people that are over and that the crowd is invested in. They're hurting the people that are over and that the crowd is invested in.
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What's wrong with me that the most compelling storyline to me is Seth Rollins Vs. Jon Stewart?
Speaking of which
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I really don't want Seth Rollins to be stuck doing something with Jon Stewart as his Wrestlemania segment, but this is the sort of "mainstream" exposure I can get behind. It's fun, not really detracting from the guy or show--assuming it doesn't become Rollins' Wrestlemania thing--and it's not being treated like a joke in the process.
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I'm 100% sure now that the longstanding complaint that WWE doesn't know how to build new stars is incorect, or at least not entirely correct.

The real problem is that they refuse to use the new stars they lucked into. Bryan and Ziggler and Ambrose were/are all incredibly over. They've all been shoved back down the card because fuck you that's why.

They're not hurting for people that are over and that the crowd is invested in. They're hurting the people that are over and that the crowd is invested in.
This.

I still sigh wistfully when I think that about this time, Ziggler vs. Kofi for a number one contender match for the WWE Championship would not only be not farfetched, but thought of as totally legit AND would tear the goddamn house down. They always create magic when they oppose eachother, and that could have been used to elevate the prestige of the Intercontinental Championship, and later on, the main event picture.

Instead, they insisted on repeatedly yanking the rug out from under Dolph, and Kingston keeps getting shoved into tag teams (Sydal, Truth, New Day...) instead of letting him shine as a singles competitor somewhere other than his requisite battle royal anti-elimination spot.

That picture a few years back with "the future" could have been attainable and believable if actually expounded upon. Too much emphasis placed on "Punk whining" and "Bourne smoking weed" and not enough focus on the fact that WWE kinda stopped pushing (or in the case of Ryder, never really got behind IN SPITE of his popularity) the majority of them.
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Old 02-27-2015, 02:59 AM   #13718
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Bray the guy who has to do all the work for the build to the match isn't even in the poster.
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Jon Stewart should wrestle Seth Rollins at WrestleMania because attention.
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Would anyone oppose Seth Rollins vs. Daniel Bryan (with John Stewart in his corner)
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