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View Poll Results: Who is the better wrestler?
Jerry "The King" Lawler 17 44.74%
"American Dragon" Bryan Danielson 21 55.26%
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Old 08-18-2017, 02:30 PM   #1
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Old 08-18-2017, 02:34 PM   #2
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Lawler pretty easily. Bryan's got the technical rasslin' over him. Lawler blows him away in every other category.
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Old 08-18-2017, 02:37 PM   #3
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Lawler pretty easily. Bryan's got the technical rasslin' over him. Lawler blows him away in every other category.
Danielson has had a profound impact on the direction the business has taken that shouldnt be glossed over. 80% of the guys under contract right now are there because of the doors he opened.


Im not saying Danielson is better, Im still thinking on it, Im just saying it isnt THAT cut and dry IMO.
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Old 08-18-2017, 02:39 PM   #4
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Lawler. Bryan would probably win if he didn't get injured because his peak was so short

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If Bryan had that much of an impact on the company catering more to the IWC and hiring/pushing more guys who look like they belong in the crowd then I'd dock him more.
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If Bryan had that much of an impact on the company catering more to the IWC and hiring/pushing more guys who look like they belong in the crowd then I'd dock him more.
He certainly did.
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He certainly did.
I think you're overrating it as WWE was hiring indy darlings before Bryan got over. But even if I concede the point, I don't think making WWE cater more to the IWC is a positive impact. And definitely not to the point of putting him up there with one of the greatest ever.
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I think you're overrating it as WWE was hiring indy darlings before Bryan got over. But even if I concede the point, I don't think making WWE cater more to the IWC is a positive impact. And definitely not to the point of putting him up there with one of the greatest ever.
I think this aspect is a fair debate, but I think Danielson's impact isnt.


Now Lawler being better...need me time to process that...
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80% of the guys on the roster being there because of Bryan is WAY too generous, by the way. lol
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80% of the guys on the roster being there because of Bryan is WAY too generous, by the way. lol
I think we both know that was hyperbole...
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Bryan. Dude was so amazing that his fans became so passionate to force WWE to change the Mania main event.
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HUGE hyperbole. 10% would be generous. lol
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Ya, but Bryan opened the way to the main event.
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There may be a little MORE indy darlings in WWE main events since Bryan (and again, I'd argue that's not necessarily a good thing). Punk was main eventing before anyone knew who Bryan was though. They were obviously already headed in that direction.
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Punk may have been anan IWC darling but punks work wasnt. He ws fed freindly. Danielson changed what the product looks like from a work rate stand point. Huge change of the guerd happend because of him.
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Lawler pretty easily. Bryan's got the technical rasslin' over him. Lawler blows him away in every other category.
Gonna have to disagree. I think by a modest margin, one could make the case that DB was more charismatic, and IMHO, even gives King a run for his money in the mic skills department.

That being said, while Bryan racked up the World Heavyweight Championship, the WWE Championship, the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, the Intercontinental Championship, the United States Championship, the WWE Tag Team Championship (2011-2016 non-split brands era), won the 2011 SmackDown! Money in the Bank, Won 12, yes, 12 -- Slammy Awards, and became the 26th-ever WWE Triple Crown achiever as well as the 6th-ever Grand Slam achiever, all in about 5 years, I still feel it all pales in comparison to not only King's sheer quantity of titles, but also, while I think he might've been able to give King somewhat of a run for his money in the ring, I do feel King could and would outwrestle him anytime, anywhere.

This was the toughest of King's opponents yet, but I think Lawler will eke out a razor thin margin of victory once it's all said and done, although I won't be terribly upset if proven wrong. ☺
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Why do you think belt accomplishments mean anything when it wasn't decided upon by a group of different promoters voting on who thinks should be champion?
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I actually expected the belt marks to put Race over last round
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Historically jerry lawler but id watch a d bry match 100000000000x more than a lawler match. A bryan got over with the odds strongly stacked against him after being treated like an enhancement talent for a lot of his run.
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No but feel good knowing I voted for Daniel Bryan instead so your vote is cancelled out anyways.
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Punk may have been anan IWC darling but punks work wasnt. He ws fed freindly. Danielson changed what the product looks like from a work rate stand point. Huge change of the guerd happend because of him.
How was Punk "fed friendly"?

And again, if we're using impact as a criteria and Bryan did have a major influence on where WWE is today... where is WWE today? Business isn't exactly soaring since Bryan caused such a change of guard. So why would it be a mark in his favor?
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Old 08-18-2017, 04:33 PM   #26
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Damn. I forgot to factor in the important "Who won the most Slammy Awards?" criteria. Can I change my vote?
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How was Punk "fed friendly"?

And again, if we're using impact as a criteria and Bryan did have a major influence on where WWE is today... where is WWE today? Business isn't exactly soaring since Bryan caused such a change of guard. So why would it be a mark in his favor?
I wont go too into the weeds on match structure but punks matches were, even in the early years, structured like what you wpuld come to expect from a TV style match. He worked it as earlyt as Iwa-MS. Came naturally to him.

Danielson came in without any of that. Overtime danielson met them in the middle but ultimately shifted the line of what the center was. To where now guys tell stories not just with holds but about them. Which is something i didnt think would ever come back into play again. Huge shift for western wrestling.

As far as is it good for business, would have had Danielson not got benched. I think losing him was the moment that really shifted things down for the company....a company that is now spiraling in my opinion.


But yeah, with out him they are suffering and that can certainly be a mark against him.
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Business wasn't on the upswing with him on top. Then just before he got shut down he was demoted to IC Title so that Reigns could take over. There's nothing that suggests he would have brought the business back up. And if he had such a positive impact on who was hired/pushed to the main event, wouldn't that positive impact be showing now without him being active?
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Important to my vote:

If I vote for Daniel Bryan, is there possibility of him facing CM Punk in the coming rounds or is CM Punk "not available" to enter again yet?
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Bryan caught fire as an every man and a symbol of what fans wanted over what bosses wanted for a brief window in history. There are a lot of great technical wrestlers who are not that well rounded in other areas of being a performer.

Bryan's hard hitting style is part of the reason he was so popular, but also part of the reason he is so broken now. Everything a guy like Lawler did meant something. He didn't need to kill himself to get over. There was no wasted movement. Getting over and staying over and telling creative stories kept him popular.

It's a lost art today of guys who really know how to work fans and get the most out of every action they do. Bryan was great and has his day, but Lawler is on another level as a performer to Bryan and has a 30+ year career to prove it.
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If I vote for Daniel Bryan, is there possibility of him facing CM Punk in the coming rounds or is CM Punk "not available" to enter again yet?
Punk is ineligible for like...30 roundish
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I don't see how this is even close..... Lawler by a mile, no disrespect to Bryan, but Lawler.....
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Old 08-19-2017, 12:59 PM   #33
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As great as King was in his time and as important as his contributions were to the business, I have to give Bryan the nod here. HE has simply entertained me a lot more in his time in the WWE than King ever has. I think he would have been a much bigger star and definite legend if the injury didn't cut his career short.


Both were great in the ring, in their own way, but I found Bryan's matches to be more entertaining to watch. Similarly, both of these gents are masters on the mic, but again, I found Bryan's shtick to be much more endearing then Lawler, especially since most of my exposure to Lawler has been in the attitude era, and I found him tiresome and annoying after a while if more than anything.


Definetely giving Bryan the nod here, but I wouldn't be upset if King won.
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Old 08-19-2017, 04:32 PM   #34
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Gave the nod to Lawler.

Felt Bryan was better in terms of in-ring skills, Lalwer in terms of promos, and split in terms of character/gimmicks. Mainly gave Lalwer the edge because of legacy reasons and Bryan's time at the top being cut really short.

In regards to who played a bigger impact for indies in the WWE between Punk and Bryan, I'd argue Punk played a much bigger role. His successes helped paved the road for Bryan's success and WWE's current craze for indie stars. Bryan became influential for smaller guys being seen as legit top star material in the WWE but would have had a lot harder or impossible road if it wasn't for Punk first.
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Gotta go with Lawler.

Bryan is an incredible talent. Sorry, #fan, but I have to agree with Destor here. Punk has always had more of an emphasis on personality aspects of his presentation, and he came with a packed-in gimmick and promo ability. Politically he wasn't what they wanted, but he covers more of those "fed friendly" areas. Punk's success and Bryan himself kickin down the door has led to a lot of geeks being hired, and I think you can compare Bryan's charisma to their lack thereof and highlight just what they had in Bryan.

Lawler is fucking Lawler though. Not just competent on the mic, but a great promo, psychologist and a dude who can still make money. Gertner's point about Bryan potentially knocking on his door with more time is interesting though.
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Old 08-20-2017, 08:18 AM   #36
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Going with the King, just seeing him do a tlc match in 2011 at his age is enough for me.
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Old 08-21-2017, 01:18 AM   #39
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Both were immensely influential for completely different reasons, but I enjoy Danielson way more. Give me "made indie wrestling/style more mainstream/accessible" vs. "paved the way for celebrity involvement in wrestling" any day, even if the latter had a bigger impact. Also would much rather watch a D-Bry match, not that I'm particularly up on my 70s and 80s Memphis shit. I know Lawler is known for wrestling a really safe style though so I doubt there'd be a ton in his back catalogue I'd enjoy.

There's also the whole Lawler being a fucking creep thing.
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Lawler was a good worker even tho he worked safe. Got a lot out of a little.
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