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View Poll Results: Who is the better wrestler?
"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels 21 65.63%
Hulk Hogan 11 34.38%
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:49 AM   #121
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Hogan screwed around too much backstage later in his career and while HBK wasn't much better didn't "appear"to do anywhere near as much damage to the product as Hogan did in the end.
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Old 10-13-2017, 03:16 AM   #122
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For as much as Hogan made WWF, he killed WCW....
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Old 10-13-2017, 04:00 AM   #123
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Hogan is responsible for WCW ever seriously competing with WWF in the first place.

You could easily make the case that he made WWF and then left them to make WCW to the point where it almost killed the first company he made. No other wrestler has ever been big enough to be able to control the entire industry to that extent.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:52 PM   #124
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Who did more for the business?

I'd say Hogan by bringing in millions of fans.

Still prefer HBK.
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Old 10-14-2017, 01:01 PM   #125
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HBK is better at wrestling. Hogan is better at being pushed as the top guy and taking steroids.

Need to clarify.
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I didn't actually like wrestling in the 80's and then got hooked from WCW Saturday Night on ITV when they had all their jobbers know, but they were high flying jobbers.

Only started liking Hogan after the now turn. Probably helped we didn't get the PPVs so I never had to watch him wrestle.
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:32 AM   #127
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Wrestling is a business. It takes places while shooting commercials as it does while putting in your 20 min. You know you're a good wrestler when poeple pay to see you.
This is a great post. I see people talking about how great HBK was in the ring and on the mic, but what was the purpose behind those? What do people think a promo is there to do? Hogan's promos changed the world. Shawn Michaels can be more eloquent all he wants, but when people say that "HBK is the better promo," do they realize that the goal of a promo is talk people into a building and to spend money to see them?

I mean, effectiveness of the work needs to be evaluated, and there have been fewer wrestlers as effective as Hulk Hogan. That was his job. To go out there and captivate people -- which he did on an undeniably huge scale.

The goal of professional wrestling is to make as much money as possible. Hogan was a fucking master at that. Hogan did far more with far less than what HBK managed.

I always find the best way to answer these polls is to think "If I'm trying to promote wrestling, who would I rather have on my roster, and who would I rather my rival get?" And I'm sorry, but if I draw Hulk Hogan and you draw Shawn Michaels, then I am going to win all the money. And that is painful to say, because you'd probably take Shawn Michaels over most other people on the planet, because most other guys didn't draw either. You can have great bell-to-bell guys flying around underneath. It's a shame if it's not Shawn Michaels, but them's the breaks in these hypothetical situations.

That being said, you can have performative stars -- people who do get "famous" because of the quality of their work. HBK is one of those, for sure. He is the "wrestling fan's wrestler." I actually think Cena and HBK are possibly one of the best one-two punches of different types of star WWE has ever mustered. Because Cena is the one that you want to get over through media presence, etc., and HBK is the critics' choice. Everybody makes out that WrestleMania 23 drew based on Donald Trump and Vince McMahon, solely, but I think something was there in Michaels vs. Cena. Rock and Michaels would be even better. Austin and HBK would be better than Cena and HBK too. But Michaels is great for a certain part. One of the best for it, actually.

That's the best argument I can mount against the drawing argument. Hogan was a certain type of star -- one that shines in our culture the brightest. But there are other types of star that can be used to make money in other ways. I don't know -- I'm trying, haha.
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:37 AM   #128
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I really wish HBK had spent more time as WWE Champion in the mid-00's. I think, for the longest period there, he really was their top guy. Cena didn't draw right away. I just wonder how things would be different if Cena was chasing Michaels' spot for a few years. It was largely the tenacity of that push that people resisted. And he was so young and green when they jammed him into it. Cena was always good, don't get me wrong, but Austin said it all started to click for him about 7 years in. By then Cena was already in the stage of his career where the perception was set.

I dunno -- just thinking out loud about HBK. I wonder if he could have been a bigger star if he had come back to be on top in that period?
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:37 AM   #129
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That's the best argument I can mount against the drawing argument. Hogan was a certain type of star -- one that shines in our culture the brightest. But there are other types of star that can be used to make money in other ways. I don't know -- I'm trying, haha.
Absolutely, but when it's either or...the answer is clear
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:51 AM   #130
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Yeah, I couldn't really come around on my own point there. I mean, I saw the Transformers/Spotlight analogy earlier, and I like it, up to the point where I know which one is the better *franchise*. A wrestler isn't one event. I think the movie analogy might hold up with matches, but I don't think it works when summarizing a wrestler's career.

Besides, if I was trying to produce films, I know which one I would rather produce. Transformers. Then I would have enough money to do whatever other crap I wanted.
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:55 AM   #131
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And besides, Hogan is closer to Star Wars than Transformers. Unless you count all the Transformers, so you can have the glorious '86 stuff and the Michael Bay stuff can be his WCW run. Spotlight also made its money back. You'd probably need to compare Michaels to a movie that kind of...well, sucked a lot more, really. At least at getting people to watch it.

"Good movies" and "good wrestling" aren't the same thing, because "good movies" draw better than "good wrestling."
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Haven't seen it yet. But yeah, that sounds pretty Dolphish.
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