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10-16-2017, 07:36 PM | #82 |
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Damn...could see that happening tbh
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10-16-2017, 07:46 PM | #83 |
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Cena has to beat someone better than Jinder to break the "record"
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10-16-2017, 08:17 PM | #84 |
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The only thing I'm thinking is that Cena challenging kind of "justifies" the reign in their mind. I mean, what does anyone beating Jinder mean at this point? That's why at least the story of it being historic lends something to the program.
That being said, I'm not willing to bank that they will take the belt off Jinder until after Mania. I can see him beating JBL's "longest reigning champion in SmackDown history" thing. I also don't necessarily see him going against Cena at WrestleMania, as "obvious" as the match seems. Cena might want something else. I could honestly see AJ Styles as the Mahal opponent. They have kept them suspiciously separate (from what I've read anyway). |
10-16-2017, 08:22 PM | #85 |
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Could see something like this as the core of the Mania card:
* Brock vs. Reigns * Mahal vs. AJ * Cena vs. Braun * Triple H vs. Balor * Owens/Zayn vs. Orton/Shane * Four Horsewomen stuff |
10-18-2017, 02:23 AM | #86 |
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So Mahal made the challenge. Why would Brock accept? In a kayfabe sense? Does he think it's going to be a night off and he'll get to annihilate the WWE Champion? Why not demand it be a title match? Cena can compete as a "free agent," why doesn't Paul Heyman just do the "Brock Lesnar doesn't fight for free" line and demand that Mahal put up his belt if he wants the fight so bad?
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10-18-2017, 02:35 AM | #87 |
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I'm actually going to say something good about the idea of this build -- Brock could, hypothetically, make it good, if the promise of Brock beating the shit out of Jinder Mahal is actually there. Do those UFC style hype videos where he talks about beating the shit out of Jinder Mahal. Literally. And as Jinder lays there in his own shit, people will look at the ring and think he got Jinder Mahal title reign all over him.
Get Heyman to shoot for the sky. Talk about how shit SmackDown has been. They can't work out whether that is Shinsuke Nakamura on Tuesday nights, or Yoshi Tatsu, because the Shinsuke Nakamura Brock Lesnar fought hasn't been seen since New Japan. Randy Orton's looking motivated. By that he just means that he's there. Orton hasn't had a good fight in him since Brock killed him at SummerSlam. If you're going to do RAW vs. SmackDown, really fire people up about it. Don't try and "tell a story" between Brock and Mahal. That ain't gonna work. |
10-18-2017, 02:39 AM | #88 |
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Or you can just have Brock turn down the challenge and do Jinder Mahal vs. AJ Styles and have Brock Lesnar face someone else. That would be a lot better.
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10-18-2017, 09:22 AM | #89 | |
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10-19-2017, 12:27 AM | #90 |
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Can see that. AJ/Nakamura would obviously be fine with me, but there's just something too..."dream matchy" about it, which makes me think that come Mania time, both guys might be plugged into frustratingly separate programs.
Hey, given that he's back, Braun vs. Kane would not surprise me. Or Braun vs. Big Show in a send-off (although I'm sure he will still make appearances) for Show. By the time Mania rolls around, it would not surprise me if there is some sort of "Monster Mash" featuring Finn Balor, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Kane, Big Show and the Bludgeon Brothers at this point. |
10-19-2017, 09:23 PM | #91 | |
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According to the Observer, only reason WWE is doing this match is because they supposedly don't want to do a Balor-Lesnar match till next year. Also because they don't see Survivor Series as a major event so it was a lot easier to have a throwaway match for Lesnar in terms of opponent.
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10-19-2017, 09:28 PM | #92 |
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lol @ the WWE World Champion being a "throwaway opponent" for someone.
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10-21-2017, 06:56 PM | #93 |
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This company is so fucking weird sometimes.
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10-22-2017, 01:03 PM | #94 |
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Give him a legit career ending injury Brock.
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10-22-2017, 03:13 PM | #95 |
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I'm not against this idea but I'd rather it go to a time limit draw. Something that doesn't happen in WWE anymore though. Would keep both strong and maybe even give Jinder a rub for going toe to toe with Brock.
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10-22-2017, 03:25 PM | #96 |
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Time limit in a PPV main event? I don't know about that.
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10-22-2017, 03:30 PM | #97 |
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10-22-2017, 03:56 PM | #98 |
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They’d have to give the game away by announcing the time limit. Unless they just start doing time limits now.
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10-22-2017, 04:06 PM | #99 |
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How long would this time limit be?
If it's more than 15 minutes then God no. Brock doesn't do matches longer than 10 minutes anymore and if he does, it definitely shouldn't be against someone like Jinder. If it's 15 minutes or less then lol @ 15 minute time limit for a PPV main event. |
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10-22-2017, 04:19 PM | #101 |
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That wouldn't make sense either though. Why would Brock force a time limit because Jinder isn't worth too much of his time? Would he not think he's gonna murder him in like 5 minutes anyway?
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10-22-2017, 04:22 PM | #102 |
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Can we just agree that a time limit on a PPV is just a dumb idea? Unless it's a weekly show or a Television title, there's no reason for it.
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10-22-2017, 04:31 PM | #103 |
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Normally I'd agree but for a one off match featuring the companies top two champions I think it would make more sense than having Brock destroy him or a screwy DQ with the Singh Brothers.
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10-22-2017, 04:33 PM | #104 |
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You wouldn't just implement some time limit from a kayfabe sense for that reason. Nobody FORCED them to do the match, so they'd better have a plan in place that doesn't involve something that never, ever happens.
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10-22-2017, 04:41 PM | #105 |
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I agree and the two fighting to a no contest might be a better idea. Just have them beat the shit out of one another, an announce table spot, bust a barrier down, and all that stuff to the point neither can go anymore.
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10-23-2017, 03:07 AM | #106 |
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But the whole thing with a no contest is that they didn't have to do that either. They didn't have to book this match. They should only get into this if they have a finish in mind. I can't think of a finish that isn't either a) bullshit or b) detriment to either Lesnar or Mahal. There is no excuse to put these two against each other and then do something inconclusive. If you don't want us to know who is the better man, don't book the fucking match.
Personally, I'm hoping Brock laughs at the challenge and they each move into different programs. Or Mahal claims he has the meningitis and can't wrestle Brock even though he'd like to. |
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But 2017 WWE booking says "Book the match and then figure something out later." Which will probably be Brock simply going over and hammering home the point that the Smackdown title is a joke. Or Jinder going over and turning the idea of "slaying the beast" into a joke while still trying to hype it as an impossible task leading into WrestleMania. |
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10-24-2017, 04:52 PM | #110 |
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According to the Observer, WWE considering spicing up this matchup with a guest referee.
They currently have a few names under consideration with Cena's name the only one revealed so far. |
10-24-2017, 04:57 PM | #111 |
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Well, there's their out. Referee gets pissed off and hits move on guy they don't like allowing them to say that they were "screwed." Probably an Attitude Adjustment to Jinder.
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10-24-2017, 04:58 PM | #112 |
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Lol, the match itself is going to suck balls though. I also love the idea that they need to spice it up. How about just booking something genuinely spicy?
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10-24-2017, 05:07 PM | #113 |
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I'm not a big fan of Balor right now, but he is hot as he's ever been coming off that match with AJ. They were literally building to Jinder vs. AJ. Why not just do Brock vs. Balor and Jinder vs. AJ? After Natalya takes out Charlotte's leg, why not have Becky Lynch jump up to challenge Nattie? Why not have Alexa try to con the fem-heels of RAW to help defend her against the babyfaces? "I'll give you all title shots if we win." Owens and Zayn were en route to a Survivor Series Elimination Match. Orton and Nakamura are good starts on the other side. Ziggler for the heels. Roode for the babyfaces. The Usos for the heels. Benjamin and Gable for the faces. That way you've got different ranks of guys to beat and not a whole bunch of main eventers that all have to lose.
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10-24-2017, 05:17 PM | #114 |
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There’s ways to make it less/not silly...but they’ve ignored them.
There’s nothing on the line other than “brand supremacy”, and the guys on either brand could end up being moved at any point so where does the brand loyalty come from? They’ve just done the angle on Raw which sort of turned Shane and the whole SDL brand heel...but Sami just turned heel via aligning with Owens in his feud with Shane, so where does that leave Sami/Owen? Apparently they’re saving Brock v Balor for the Rumble - although having Balor lose to Kane won’t have helped his legitimacy any. |
10-24-2017, 05:24 PM | #115 |
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I heard about that loss. Holy fuck.
Guys swap left and right anyway. Kevin Owens will be on Raw again acting like it's the best show ever. AJ Styles will swap, and so will Randy Orton. No one is actually attached to their brand. If I truly believed that AJ Styles really felt like Smackdown was so different to Raw and he had to prove it, I might be more interested in seeing guys fight. But as it stands they're just red shirts and blue shirts. Kane just jumped brand for no reason. Jason Jordan got moved around earlier this year. Shelton Benjamin got signed to Smackdown as a result. Renee Young, Corey Graves, Tom Phillips and Michael Cole have worked both shows. AJ Styles just got sent over to Raw to compensate and fill-in. How does "we don't like each other because we're on the other side" even make sense? |
10-24-2017, 06:01 PM | #116 |
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They're doing matches to decide who captains the teams. Why would you make your teams fight heading into Survivor Series? Why do they even need captains in the sense that they've just appointed them and they just have to show up and wrestle?
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10-25-2017, 12:02 AM | #117 |
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Now I'm reading that they're doing Natalya vs. Bliss and Corbin vs. Miz? This is a fucking shit-show. I know wrestling isn't wrestling anymore, but is the idea here that the geek show of heels and faces changing alignments is going to attract people? This reminds me of when Russo just reset the champions because.
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