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11-06-2017, 09:26 PM | #81 |
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Could argue he already is at least in regards to being a very reliable star for the midcard whenever needed by the WWE like Jericho was for the WWE. Only big negative for that comparison is Jericho was way better in terms of in-ring skills.
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11-06-2017, 09:27 PM | #82 |
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Jericho had a reputation, right, wrong or otherwise, for being a legit guy that had cut his teeth all over the world. He was charismatic as hell, the hottest prospect in the business at the time (go back and hear what Meltzer was saying about the guy), and was seen as an all-rounder. Miz is a good promo in a sea of bad promos.
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11-06-2017, 09:28 PM | #83 |
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Miz has been with the WWE for 13 years now and is still pretty bad in the ring.
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11-06-2017, 09:30 PM | #84 |
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Kofi Kingston is coming up to 10 years on the main roster too. Dolph Ziggler has been popping in and out for 12.
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11-06-2017, 09:30 PM | #85 | |
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Really good on "the mic" but seems like one of the most overrated people in WWE due to how much ppl "rave about him" imo |
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11-06-2017, 09:33 PM | #86 |
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Hawkins and Ryder have been main roster for 10 years now. There's no excuse for how bad Ryder still is, haha.
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11-06-2017, 09:33 PM | #87 |
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wonder if Dark One is watching this right now
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11-06-2017, 09:34 PM | #88 |
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11-06-2017, 09:34 PM | #89 |
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11-06-2017, 09:35 PM | #90 |
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They decided to "push" Ryder (you could argue that the intention really wasn't there) about five years after he had any sort of relevance. This company can be so fucking weird.
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11-06-2017, 09:37 PM | #91 |
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11-06-2017, 09:37 PM | #92 |
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Tye Dillinger first appeared on WWE TV almost a decade ago too. He's been doing "The Perfect 10" gimmick for two years now.
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11-06-2017, 09:42 PM | #93 | |
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If Heyman had gotten his hands on a Zack Ryder in a hypothetical universe, he'd have realized that Ryder sucks in the ring, sucks in any sort of promo environment where he's supposed to be taken seriously and he'd have hidden those deficits about as well as anybody could while Ryder used the internet to get himself over. Like Heyman fooled Meltzer with Sabu, Ryder would be seen as the best worker in the business until he took a Vince paycheck and people saw that he sucked. But there is a universe where Ryder is significant. It's not this one though. |
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11-06-2017, 09:43 PM | #94 | |
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When Vince couldn't understand that he actually had crowd appeal he was forced to randomly drop it 16 days later. Fast forward a few years. He is a surprise entry in the IC ladder match and wins, only to lose it to Miz the next night on RAW, because Vince doesn't "get" him again. Call me insane, but he DEFINITELY deserves a main event run. |
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11-06-2017, 09:45 PM | #95 |
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DX sucked, but it's fun watching Tye Dillinger get kicked in the face. |
11-06-2017, 09:48 PM | #96 |
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They really did mess with the crowd volume for this show. Other reports for this show had the crowd booing a lot at Sasha winning and Bayley not getting picked for Team RAW.
Same for the booing that happened but wasn't audible when Jordan was picked for Team RAW. |
11-06-2017, 09:48 PM | #97 |
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Also, if Zack's such a horrible promo, why the fuck did they let him have his own Internet reality show, complete with a custom Internet Championship?
I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time or anything but he's better than you give him credit for, Noid. It also kinda debunks your theory that he can't act. His show would never have lasted as long as it did if that was true. |
11-06-2017, 09:50 PM | #98 |
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11-06-2017, 09:51 PM | #99 | |
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Fast forward a few years and you get exactly my point. Ryder hasn't meant anything in years, he gets inserted into a clusterfuck match that really could have just been Zayn vs. Owens and the boys beg Vince to let him win the match because they're marks these days or whatever. The plan was never to go with him and it's a perfect demontrastion of why the IC Title means NOTHING. How can you say he definitely deserves a main event run seriously? By what criteria? I mean, who "deserves" a main event run? Participation awards are why a lot is meaningless these days. But Ryder hasn't even proven himself good enough to handle a mid-card run let alone a main event run. |
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11-06-2017, 09:54 PM | #100 |
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God damnit, Cole. Just admit it. Braun Strowman is superhuman and nothing can stop him.
Not ambulance crashes, not a ring imploding, not a dozen chairs falling from the ceiling, not being scooped inside a garbage truck, NOTHING. Did I miss anything? |
11-06-2017, 09:54 PM | #101 |
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Yeah that was something he did on his own and in a way proved to the WWE how valuable social media can be for the company. His reward was a very brief US title run and some irrational hatred by Vince. All of WWE's success and focus on social media can be traced back to Ryder and his Youtube show.
Only reason he started the show was as a last ditch effort to save his career in the WWE when he felt he was a lot closer to getting released. |
11-06-2017, 09:54 PM | #102 | |
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Go watch that stuff with Kane again and then come back and tell me the guy can act. |
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11-06-2017, 09:55 PM | #103 |
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11-06-2017, 09:55 PM | #104 |
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BRAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!
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11-06-2017, 09:55 PM | #105 | |
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Let's make a list of great Zack Ryder matches. I'll start: vs. Christian on ECW that once |
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11-06-2017, 09:56 PM | #106 |
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More like "The following contest is scheduled for multiple casualties".
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11-06-2017, 09:56 PM | #107 |
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Christian is a fucking miracle worker and deserves to go into the Hall of Fame for that effort alone. I'll be honest, it conned me for years into thinking that Zack Ryder could be good.
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11-06-2017, 09:57 PM | #108 |
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Without Vince sanctioning it beforehand? And again, if he's so terrible at promos and acting, why did they allow his show to continue for so long after licensing the rights to it?
Sounds like the textbook definition of Vince seeing main event potential in someone and stubbornly refusing to even entertain the notion of letting them have a decent run of either mid-card or main event status. |
11-06-2017, 10:00 PM | #109 |
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If memory serves, after they moved it to the WWE YouTube account it quickly died.
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11-06-2017, 10:01 PM | #110 |
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Haha, yes, that's why there was heat on him for it. Heath Slater and Cesaro currently host YouTube shows for WWE according to their Wikipedia page, so are they automatically good promos too? Your logic is faulty. I can pinpoint examples of shitty Ryder promos and segments, and your defense for him is "but he must be good because he had an internet shit he started himself."
Vince didn't like someone getting over with the smarks on their own accord. It also probably frustrated that the guy they flocked behind fucking sucks and when they tried to push him it fucking sucked because he actually can't do anything and contrary to popular belief a lot of "smart fans" are fucking morons. |
11-06-2017, 10:04 PM | #111 |
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11-06-2017, 10:05 PM | #112 |
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That you thought it died quickly says enough.
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11-06-2017, 10:07 PM | #113 |
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I struggle to think of people in the company who suck worse than Ryder. Titus O'Neil I'll give you.
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11-06-2017, 10:07 PM | #114 |
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Still can't believe WWE fed Balor to Kane twice just to build him up for a Braun feud that won't help Braun when a few jobbers or lower level stars would have been a lot more easier.
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11-06-2017, 10:08 PM | #115 |
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I think there's more behind it than that. There's something petty and passive aggressive about it.
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11-06-2017, 10:09 PM | #116 |
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Wouldn't surprise me if Balor is the first guy out at Survivor Series.
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11-06-2017, 10:09 PM | #117 |
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11-06-2017, 10:10 PM | #118 |
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But it also wouldn't surprise me if Vince seriously believes that "20 Years of Kane" is the best story they have.
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11-06-2017, 10:11 PM | #119 |
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Good call. Viktor is a lot better in the ring than Ryder though. I'll give you a wash with Konnor and the promo work though. Got no clue how Konnor has kept a job to be honest. Dude and his wife walked out on the company years back and now he's been given a cozy job despite never really showing much of anything. I'm impressed as fuck with it, to be honest.
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11-06-2017, 10:12 PM | #120 |
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Why is it when Raw is across the pond they mail it in the entire episode?
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