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Old 05-17-2018, 11:17 PM   #41
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I feel like, while ratings are in a steady decline, Raw is still a "safe" show. There's a built-in audience that means it's never in danger of suddenly dropping off the face of the earth suddenly ratings-wise. That's also why there's no urgent incentive to produce compelling television. I'd like to think that's not sustainable long term but no telling how long it's gonna be before they're actually FORCED to try to improve their product.
Exactly. Unfortunately there's no real reason or incentive for them to take any risks by attempting to improve the product when the current product (no matter how poor or mediocre it is) is still keeping them the only and most successful "sports entertainment" company in the world.
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:32 PM   #42
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According to Variety, the current favorites to get Smackdown are FOX, Facebook, and Amazon.
Interesting. Could the show being on Amazon lead to it being commercial-free (assuming it goes to Prime, that is)?

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Old 05-17-2018, 11:44 PM   #43
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Heard Fox Sports or national fox.
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Old 05-18-2018, 12:12 AM   #44
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Interesting. Could the show being on Amazon lead to it being commercial-free (assuming it goes to Prime, that is)?
Not unless WWE got compensated generously for the lost ad revenue. They current get paid by NBC and USA for RAW & Smackdown and also get a percentage of ad revenue on top of it.

WWE would probably just air more of their own ads like they do with the Network than gut the ad time out of their shows.
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Old 05-18-2018, 12:29 AM   #45
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I feel like, while ratings are in a steady decline, Raw is still a "safe" show. There's a built-in audience that means it's never in danger of suddenly dropping off the face of the earth suddenly ratings-wise. That's also why there's no urgent incentive to produce compelling television. I'd like to think that's not sustainable long term but no telling how long it's gonna be before they're actually FORCED to try to improve their product.
Assuming the Observer's theory of Smackdown being WWE's actual hardcore viewerbase, RAW would need to drop by another 500-700k before WWE starts to really worry about RAW. USA Network pretty much would no longer be able to compete in the Top 5 for networks for Mondays by that point.

Worst case for WWE is this happens within the next 2-3 years and best case is RAW plateaus at some point and takes way longer to happen. Also worst case is USA Network finally gets their big 1-2 shows and are hurt more by not putting it on RAW's time spot.
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Old 05-18-2018, 03:54 AM   #46
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I feel like, while ratings are in a steady decline, Raw is still a "safe" show. There's a built-in audience that means it's never in danger of suddenly dropping off the face of the earth suddenly ratings-wise. That's also why there's no urgent incentive to produce compelling television. I'd like to think that's not sustainable long term but no telling how long it's gonna be before they're actually FORCED to try to improve their product.
That's right. Their ratings and share are consistently going down, but they are still near the top in terms of demographics, often bested by stuff like Love & Hip Hop, which doesn't have the same pedigree and guarantee for prolonged success. That third hour, sucky as it is, often beats everything else in the slot too. It performs much lower than hour one or two, but comparatively, it's WWE's most successful.
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Old 05-18-2018, 03:56 AM   #47
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There's no way they would ever, ever do this, but I'd mark out if they put SmackDown on Fox on Mondays and started a legit war with themselves.
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Old 05-18-2018, 06:01 AM   #48
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That'd be a true brand split, at least.
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:21 AM   #49
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I thought Facebook Watch was a success, from a production standpoint. I never had any lag when I watched the Mixed Match Challenge show. If it goes to FB and anyone can watch essentially anywhere I think that's a big plus.

I'm also intrigued by the possibility of Amazon for similar reasons -- a Prime exclusive, like screech said, could be very cool and live tv would be something new for Amazon I believe. FOX I think the downside of FS1 is not as many eyeballs have it in their cable package as the USA Network so ratings drop...but as has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, lower ratings don't seem to matter in the current tv landscape as much (which I don't get...but oh well).
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:30 AM   #50
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I think FS1 or ESPN would be great for Smackdown. Preferably FS1 as I can't stand ESPN anymore but being on a sports channel could give it a reason to have a different feel from Raw. I'd stop watching if they put it on Facebook or Amazon.
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:49 AM   #51
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If they're going to do it anywhere online they should do it on twitch...... Still don't think they should do it online tho.
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amazon would probly offer the most money, that would help sale firesticks if they got smackdown. I still think fox sports is in the lead to get smackdown unless they try to low ball there offer.
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I'd be OK with the Twitch route but I don't think they can offer the money Facebook or Amazon could. Still hope they end up on FS1.
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I'd be OK with the Twitch route but I don't think they can offer the money Facebook or Amazon could. Still hope they end up on FS1.
yeah I don't know if twitch has the money yet, an after watching impact stuff on twitch there tech is not ready for the wwe.
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yeah I don't know if twitch has the money yet, an after watching impact stuff on twitch there tech is not ready for the wwe.
I'd assume thats all on Impact and not Twitch. WWE would being their production crews and probably not miss a step. Wouldn't even compare to Impact airing a live event with little preparation.
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well they would see what not to do, hey lets just put a camera on josh and see what he does.
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This could also make Smackdown a 3 hour show which I'd be all for. Drop 205 Live and just merge it with Smackdown.
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This could also make Smackdown a 3 hour show which I'd be all for. Drop 205 Live and just merge it with Smackdown.

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WWE does not need another 3 hr show. I was rooting for FOX to get RAW since it was rumored they wanted it back at 2 hrs.
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If they're going to do it anywhere online they should do it on twitch...... Still don't think they should do it online tho.
Fuck that shit. All the smaller feds are on Twitch. You don't hop onto that unless they kick everybody else off of it as part of the deal.

Facebook Watch worked well enough for the Challenge but that was only like 15 minutes. Don't want to be on a screen watching a Facebook stream for 2 hours.
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With twitch you can sell subscriptions, and get bits etc.
Which is nothing a major company like WWE needs. Shove your bits.
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Right but I am assuming Twitch would also be paying for the rights as well.
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Old 05-18-2018, 02:03 PM   #66
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Fuck that shit. All the smaller feds are on Twitch. You don't hop onto that unless they kick everybody else off of it as part of the deal.
Maybe they can compete with Juan on Justin.tv
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does amazon own twitch, I know amazon and twitch will work togather on thur night football.
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Fuck that shit. All the smaller feds are on Twitch. You don't hop onto that unless they kick everybody else off of it as part of the deal.
How does that make any sense for Twitch or WWE? Thats like saying cable should drop all wrestling except WWE because WWE is on cable. WWE shouldn't be concerned about smaller promotions and have even advertised the GWN. It's not like there would be a Twitch War or anything like that, no one would pull the numbers WWE would. WWE doesn't need to be like that anymore.

HOH and Wrestle Circus both benefit greatly from the exposure Twitch gives them because they don't have TV deals. WWE coming onto Twitch would probably up Twitch's membership and be more beneficial to them in that aspect.
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Old 05-18-2018, 02:48 PM   #70
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It wouldn't do shit for the WWE except make them look foolish.
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Yeah asking Twitch to drop all other wrestling would be foolish.
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Yeah asking Twitch to drop all other wrestling would be foolish.
Very foolish! This isn't the '80s.
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Is it possible that Hulu could pick it up? They already show the abbreviated replays on demand (which is great), and they do have a live TV plan available already.
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Old 05-18-2018, 05:42 PM   #74
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How does that make any sense for Twitch or WWE? Thats like saying cable should drop all wrestling except WWE because WWE is on cable. WWE shouldn't be concerned about smaller promotions and have even advertised the GWN. It's not like there would be a Twitch War or anything like that, no one would pull the numbers WWE would. WWE doesn't need to be like that anymore.
Wouldn't be surprised if WWE would try to put in some restrictions for a potential deal but Twitch probably wants more and not less wrestling variety their service.

WWE has done similar antics in the past in terms of pettiness with the most recent of them going after ITV and Rev Pro in the UK since WWE wants the UK market to themselves even if it ends up hurting the revival going on there.
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Old 05-18-2018, 09:40 PM   #75
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Television isn't dead yet. It's transforming, but it isn't dead. I think a big reason they are getting these big money offers is because these networks need that content in order to justify their existence a little bit. Streaming services and online mediums are an avenue for the future, and they might one day be hungry for that built-in audience, but they can probably wring something out of someone and make it easy to find them.

But more and more I am seeing older demographics being shifted to these new forms of content delivery. Gambling companies and lotteries are trying to hook younger people over here with apps. If you want to go after a younger generation, moving away from traditional TV does make sense. I'm not sure if you do that with SmackDown, however. Maybe getting NXT on Facebook is a better option?
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Old 05-20-2018, 09:09 PM   #76
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I think NBC still wants Smackdown, but they are already paying 3 times more for Raw, so they probably just decided not to go for Smackdown on top of that. If WWE doesn't get any legit offers for Smackdown, I could see NBC coming in with a lower offer to move it back to SyFy.

I gotta think though Fox Sports is the likely landing spot since that is going to be Fox's business going forward.

As for PPV revenue, that hasn't been their main money maker since probably when TNN gave them a big contract to move Raw there in 2000
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Old 05-20-2018, 09:41 PM   #77
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Yeah, NBC doesnt want to pay the money for both due to the cost and wwe knows they can get a lot more by seperating the two. I dont know much about just how good it would be for smackdown to go to Amazon or Facebook. I would think that overall it would lower the eye count in the long run to damage the blue brand and its roster. Smaller or lesser house shows equals a lot less pay. Now if you ended the brand split and went back to a bigger roster who knows. If it ends up on fox where they could feasibly gather a larger audience smackdown could go up to 3 hours and become a lot bigger deal and we may see a small brand reshuffle as fox would want bigger stars. Could definitely see fox pay for part of Lesnars paycheck to get him more dates much like spike did for sting.
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Old 05-21-2018, 02:22 AM   #78
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I can see Brock and Ronda being leveraging tools for SmackDown, which would mean that the brand split would have to end or they would have to be floaters like Cena and Taker.
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