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Old 10-05-2016, 10:31 PM   #7841
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Removing Thor before the 8th Inning just shows me Terry Collins is managing this game to make sure no matter what happens, he gets another year of job security.

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Old 10-05-2016, 10:32 PM   #7842
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Old 10-05-2016, 10:34 PM   #7843
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Terry Collins may have went to the Buck Showalter class of Throwing Playoff Baseball games.
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Wish they'd throw this fucking lady out of the booth. Not sure why she's there.
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Old 10-05-2016, 10:42 PM   #7845
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This umpire is fucking blind. Russell has thrown 3 of last 4 pitches for strikes.

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Old 10-05-2016, 10:44 PM   #7846
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Former Tony Gwynn protege Addison Reed gassed Pence.
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Old 10-05-2016, 10:44 PM   #7847
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Probs Reed

Look i have a whole theory about starting pitching in the postseason that someday I might go in on, but not now.
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Old 10-05-2016, 10:45 PM   #7848
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Maybe its the way the beard looks but Giants' Pence looks like Daniel Bryan.
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Old 10-05-2016, 10:45 PM   #7849
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Wish they'd throw this fucking lady out of the booth. Not sure why she's there.
She's there because Schilling went politcal jackass.

And she's not that bad.
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Old 10-05-2016, 10:52 PM   #7850
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Find her annoying for some reason. Feel like she doesn't add anything to the broadcast.

Clutch time for the Mets here.
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Old 10-05-2016, 11:01 PM   #7852
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OK i'll eat shit here in this thread. Mets Bullpen is a lot better than i knew.
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Old 10-05-2016, 11:05 PM   #7853
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Mets giving up another base or two might end up being very lucky for them if the Giants really are forced to take Bumgarner out.
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And there's the season. Thanks for nothing Familia.
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Old 10-05-2016, 11:14 PM   #7857
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Familia has 51 saves but he's completely shat the bed in the really big games (see: Game 1 of last year's World Series)
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Hope the Giants win the whole thing now so we got beat by the best and everyone else can be miserable with the Even Year Giants crap continuing.
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Old 10-05-2016, 11:15 PM   #7859
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Is this the wrong time to say how much I enjoy listening to Schulmann and Herschiser call games? No? Great!
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All things considered, I'm not that upset. I really didn't think this team was going to win this game against the best playoff pitcher of all time.
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Old 10-05-2016, 11:21 PM   #7861
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Bumgarner is a motherfucking post-season machine. 0 ER in elimination games in his entire career.... that is nuts.
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Find her annoying for some reason. Feel like she doesn't add anything to the broadcast.

Clutch time for the Mets here.
Same here.... I am full aware a batter is trying to foul off pitches when he's got 2 strikes on him and a runner in scoring position. I don't need to be told that every second pitch, ma'am....
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Old 10-05-2016, 11:29 PM   #7863
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Kind of a lame duck ball game even though the starting pitching was fantastic.
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Didn't take ESPN long to start cracking jokes about closer decisions. Very first line going into Sportscenter after the game was the closer dilemma joke.
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The team that wins the world series isn't always the best team. Hopefully the Cubs steam till the Giants and that'll be that.
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I don't even think I'd put this in my top 5 worst Mets playoff losses, tbh.

Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS is probably always going to be my #1. Doing the job to Yadier Molina and the 83 win Cardinals hurt so badly. I was 100% all in on that '06 Mets team.

Games 1, 4, and 5 of last year's World Series have to be there - ESPECIALLY Game 1.

And of course you have Kenny Rogers walking in the winning run to end the 1999 NLCS.

This loss sucked of course, but it was still a team lucky to even be in the playoffs losing to a guy who is unhittable in October. There's just not much you can do about that.
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Now in Metland, all eyes turn to the front office. The big question is whether or not they will re-sign Cespedes.

Said it a few months ago and I'll say it now - you won't hear me talking Mets baseball on here again if they let him go. He had a bad September but he's still the heart of this team. I can't support this team any longer if they cheap out on keeping him.

Also, all 5 starting pitchers are going to be coming off of surgery heading into Spring Training (including Thor who has been pitching through bone spurs). Guys like Gsellman and Lugo are going to be important, and they might even bring back Big Bart for extra insurance.
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They should being Bart back. As for Cespedes, if he opts out, I'm not sure they have a chance to sign him considering how terrible the market will be for talent this off season.

They also have 3 corner outfielders already. Conforto is the future and needs to play everyday. Maybe they can move Granderson or even Bruce. But if they keep Cespedes they need to move both. You can't have them going into the year with 4 corner outfielders.

Also time to address third base. Can't count on David Wright anymore. I love the guy. One of my favorite players to watch. But he might be done as a long term option.
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This game sums up how to beat the Cubs if it wasn't already evident in the NLCS last year and as recently as against the Brewers last week.

Take away their hitting advantage is easy. They like to work the count. The starter piles up pitches and before you know it, you're into middle relief in the 6th inning at the beginning of a series. That may work in the regular season, but not in the playoffs. If you have a starter who is confident in his stuff, and he pounds the strike zone, the Cubs are in trouble.

Look at this game so far tonight. Mad Bum throws 28 pitches in the 1st inning and loads the bases with 2 outs. Cubs don't come through, but that won't always be the case. You have to give yourself the opportunity before you can take it. The rest of the way? 6.2+ only 87 pitches. 0 runs and no real opportunities. Yes, its Madison Bumgarner. But who do you think they face in the playoffs? You can do that during a 162 game season when you face a teams 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th best starters, but doing that against a series of front line starters.....guys getting Cy Young votes? Good luck.

Cubs are going to have the best record in Baseball, but the Giants and Mets would beat them in October with the way things stand now.

The Cubs problem? I'm trying to wrap my head around it because I can't believe this could be true: they have too many good hitters.
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Who is the better option than Thor right now?? Answer that one honestly and i stfu.
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Probs Reed

Look i have a whole theory about starting pitching in the postseason that someday I might go in on, but not now.
Didn't even see these last night but yeah...Reed's been money. The gameplan for the Mets last night was always to hope Thor can get you through 7 and then go to Reed and Fam. I think most Met fans would have signed up for a shutout going into the 9th because it would have meant Bumgarner was nearly done and we could get to the bullpen.

But of course Fam fucked that all up anyway.
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I don't want to be too hard on Fam but at times it's been really hard to trust him. Going to him last night was the right call. But he's got 51 saves on the year yet so few of them were clean 1-2-3 innings. He's always at minimum allowing the tying run to get on base. It's like watching vintage K-Rod.
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They should being Bart back. As for Cespedes, if he opts out, I'm not sure they have a chance to sign him considering how terrible the market will be for talent this off season.

They also have 3 corner outfielders already. Conforto is the future and needs to play everyday. Maybe they can move Granderson or even Bruce. But if they keep Cespedes they need to move both. You can't have them going into the year with 4 corner outfielders.

Also time to address third base. Can't count on David Wright anymore. I love the guy. One of my favorite players to watch. But he might be done as a long term option.
Ces/Grandy/Conforto would be my choice. Fuck Jay Bruce. He started to heat up in the last week of the season but that didn't change the fact that he was useless up until then. He also killed the Mets yesterday by striking out after a leadoff TJ Rivera double instead of at least moving the runner over.

But Ces has to stick around in any circumstance. Has to. It is not optional. Give him what he wants or this team will fall apart.

As for 3B, Wright's gonna understandably try to keep going rather than retire and forfeit his huge contract. I'm less worried about it for 2017 though because they're still gonna have Reyes for league minimum, Reyes might start at 2B next year but he's shown he can handle 3B if/when Wright gets his next injury.

I gotta say I also really love TJ Rivera. Hell of a story. Remains to be seen if he can be an everyday 2B or not but at minimum he looks like he'd be a quality bench piece. He's done nothing but hit at every level.
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I don't want to be too hard on Fam but at times it's been really hard to trust him. Going to him last night was the right call. But he's got 51 saves on the year yet so few of them were clean 1-2-3 innings. He's always at minimum allowing the tying run to get on base. It's like watching vintage K-Rod.
I feel like there are very few super trustworthy closers. I think Roberto Osuna is a great pitcher and a wonderful closer, but he's not beyond blowing saves in big situations.... it's simply the nature of the position. Even Duane Ward in the best season of his career and as the Jay's primary closer after Tom Henke left, blew 6 saves and his era was only 2.13. He gave up about a million runs against Chicago White Sox in the last game of the ALCS in 1993 but was able to get them out before they could tie it.

All you can ask from your closer is that he goes out there and competes and can recover from those tough blown saves. If only everyone could be Rivera, Hoffman or in the case of this year, Zach Britton. Even look at Craig Kimbrall though, he's nowhere near as reliable as he used to be, but still I wouldn't want anyone else closing a game for me.
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Hate to break it to you Vito, but Grandy, Bruce, Reyes, Asdrubal ( bum knee ) are junk. Grandy is 35 dont steal bases ( nor do any Mets for that matter) anymore, hitting .235 with 30 HR's.. but. 235. Bruce is the polar opposite of clutch. If you need a big hit and Bruce is due up next inning, ship it the other way. You're done. Reyes dont steal bases anymore. Defense is declining. Barely hitting for average but ya, he's affordable. Conforto seems more and more like he's an average player. I go back and forth on whether Cespedes is a superstar or a borderline All-star. When he was first getting talked about before he was signed, I watched all these Youtube videos of him working out. He looked like one heck of an athlete and i was hoping the Cubbies got to sign him. Fast forward now and he doesnt steal bases. Ya he has a rocket arm, but he plays the easiest of outfield positions. He only hits .280, and gives you 30 HR's, but only what.. 88 RBI's this season? That dont seem to add up. Ya i think the Mets should keep him because well.. because. Thats all i can give ya.

The biggest thing the Mets need to do and i know all Met's fans will roll there eyes at this... They gotta trade Thor, DeGrom or Harvey. It's the only way to get an influx of true talent and avoid slipping to a mediocre team for the next 5 seasons. Ironically, Harvey was the guy you would have gotten the most for a year and half ago and now he's the guy of those 3 you would get the least for. Thor is a fucking stud man. In my opinion, he's the untouchable here. Which leaves DeGrom. I think the Mets could get a serious offering for DeGrom.

And no. Matz is not an option. And dont you have Wheeler still in the system ?

Trade DeGrom. Get some serious up and coming bats.
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I actually was pretty clear in this thread that I'd have been fine if they decided to move on from Harvey a year ago. The guy was a huge diva last year, came to spring this year sporting a double chin, and we all know that he's leaving after 2018. Like...it's not avoidable. The other pitchers may have interest in staying with the Mets when their deals are up but Harvey has only seemed to give a fuck about himself, so his partnership with Boras makes all the sense in the world for him.

I'm sure the Mets will explore trades but it's hard to see anything huge going down with the pitchers because every single one of them was hurt this year, even Thor. It could hurt all of their trade values (except Thor who they are obviously keeping). Sandy's hope is probably for next year's Opening Day rotation to feature Thor, deGrom, Harvey, Matz, and Wheeler with Colon in the pen for spot starts/to fill in for injury and Gsellman/Lugo in AAA as the next line of defense. They need to retain their pitching depth because every one of these guys is an injury question mark now.

As for your assessments on the current Mets hitters...I do want to get rid of Bruce, he's been useless outside of the last week of the regular season. Grandy has never hit for a high average but I doubt they'll get anything for him - he does have some pop and is a great clubhouse guy, I'm fine with him being on the team next year so long as they're willing to bite the bullet and plug in a guy like Brandon Nimmo if Grandy struggles. Ces needs to come back, forget the 88 RBIs - you can't get RBIs if there's nobody to drive in, and there wasn't for much of the first half when he was their only source of offense.

AssMan is not junk, he's had knee issues this year but he was their MVP down the stretch of the season. They wouldn't have made the Wild Card without him. Besides, he has one year left on his deal and was only ever supposed to be a stop gap. You want young up and coming bats? Well the Mets have one of those in Amed Rosario, who should be the SS in 2018. Cabrera is fine to keep for next year to bridge the gap.

Dom Smith, their other stud hitting prospect. should be taking over at 1B in 2018 as well, Lucas Duda is a better player than James Loney but I'm not a big fan of either of them.

And Reyes would make little sense to drop because he's gonna be playing for free next year. The Rockies are paying his salary with the Mets only paying league minimum. Reyes may not be the same player he was in his first Mets run but he still was good for them down the stretch and can adequately fill in at 3 infield spots, important considering Wright's injury history. You have to have a Wright backup plan ready at all times so Reyes can do that in 2017.

But yeah, Rosario and Smith in 2018 (maybe even sometime next year depending on how Cabrera/Duda play) will be sexy as hell. TJ Rivera and Gavin Cecchini could also be in the mix for 2B reps. Sandy spent his first several drafts taking high school bats, so it's not much of a surprise that it's taken years for them to get to the bigs. Not everybody is Bryce Harper.

It does suck that the team has no speed but that's not going to change with Alderson at the helm. He genuinely doesn't think speed on the basepaths is important because he prefers his teams to be built on the longball, it's a Moneyball thing.
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He's been a great story. Pretty sure he was eligible for minor league free agency this offseason, so if the Mets didn't add him to their 40 man roster and give him a shot he might have wound up going to another team.

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