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Old 06-13-2016, 10:48 AM   #6161
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Old 06-14-2016, 06:25 PM   #6162
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Something to think about:

Ichiro Suzuki is 1 hit away from Pete Rose's 4,256 hits. 2 to pass him, obviously do-able.

Now, 1,278 of those hits were from his 9 seasons in Japan. He's got 2,977 in MLB right now.

So, do you make him the Hit King, or should the numbers from Japan not count? Pete Rose already piped in and says no.


I think he's got a good chance of joining the 3,000 hit club this season. But, this is a big record.
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Old 06-14-2016, 06:28 PM   #6163
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He can sit in the record books right next to Sadaharu OH! as far as I'm concerned

But better. Ichiro's the man
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Old 06-14-2016, 06:49 PM   #6164
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If you include his hits in Japan, include everyone's numbers from the minors. Its also pro ball.

I think the fact that Ichiro spent 9 years in Japan and STILL is going to be able to reach 3000 hits is pretty damned amazing.
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Old 06-14-2016, 07:51 PM   #6165
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I think they should acknowledge that he's collected the most hits in professional baseball. Just because a quarter of them were in Japan doesn't mean they don't count for something.

Pete Rose is still the all time major league hit record. Nobody's touching that. However, Ichiro should be acknowledged for accumulating the hits he has in two different countries' top professional league.
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Old 06-14-2016, 07:52 PM   #6166
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I kinda wish Ichiro was in Seattle for his 3k hit. I don't know if they even need an outfielder but he's still a useful player and I'm a softie for homecomings.
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:34 PM   #6167
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Os beat David Price again. Was actually a bit of a nail biter
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Old 06-14-2016, 11:25 PM   #6168
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Well he pitched a gem, just got out-duelled it seems.
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Old 06-14-2016, 11:39 PM   #6169
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Price has pitched well the past 2-3 games but HRs have been an issue. Last two games he's given up a HR very late in the game and end up being the reason why they lost both times.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:49 AM   #6170
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I love Ichiro, but those hits in Japan shouldn't count towards the total, Pete Rose FTW....
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Ichiro got his 2 hits. One might say he passed Pete Rose for most all time.
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Why is anyone acting like hits in Japan count?
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because they are stupid....
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:25 PM   #6175
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Seems like the MLB considers the NPB as a "major" league which would mean his Japan career counts for the official record.

Don't think they usually reference other leagues and records unless they'd count them as MLB worthy for the books.

Rose technically would still own the most MLB-only hits record but Ichrio owns most career hits ever record.
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Cubs brass has always said their goal was to create a competitive team year after year. They have done that. Lots of long term viability. This is a team built to win 100 games for the next 3-5 years. The problem I see is that it wouldn't be hard to beat this team in the playoffs. If you have pitchers who can pound the strike zone, you take away their advantage of being able to draw walks and get your starter to throw 115 pitches in 5 innings. Max Scherzer and to a lesser extent Stasberg today gave the blueprints for how to beat them. You can argue that after the WC game, every team has a 13% chance with the sample size so small and I think that's what they're doing here. They know the roster is flawed in a 7 game series against top tier pitchers but as long as they keep winning the division the more spins of the wheel they get. I understand, but as I see it now the Cubs get beat by the Mets and Giants with a series against the Nats going 7 games.
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Really hope Marco Estrada keeps up his numbers. It should be possible, he's a pitch to contact guy and with his array of pitches and newly found cerebral style, he may be able to keep the batting avg down where it is on balls in contact. Jays are also a great defensive team. Want him to "stick it to the haters"

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Well I don't think his babip is going to stay under 200. But he's pitching well. He's punching more guys out but he's also walking more guys.

I think he'll regress a bit but more back to what he was last year, which is still a great for Toronto.
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Cubs brass has always said their goal was to create a competitive team year after year. They have done that. Lots of long term viability. This is a team built to win 100 games for the next 3-5 years. The problem I see is that it wouldn't be hard to beat this team in the playoffs. If you have pitchers who can pound the strike zone, you take away their advantage of being able to draw walks and get your starter to throw 115 pitches in 5 innings. Max Scherzer and to a lesser extent Stasberg today gave the blueprints for how to beat them. You can argue that after the WC game, every team has a 13% chance with the sample size so small and I think that's what they're doing here. They know the roster is flawed in a 7 game series against top tier pitchers but as long as they keep winning the division the more spins of the wheel they get. I understand, but as I see it now the Cubs get beat by the Mets and Giants with a series against the Nats going 7 games.
Was going to text you about this, but your opinion has obviously not changed.
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What does everyone think about Marco thus far this year?
Stupid Toronto media thought that they overpaid him when he first resigned, but I loved the signing a great 3-4 guy for the rotation, nothing ever flashy but eats innings like crazy and is super dependable, I'd take a rotation of Estrada & Happ's every day of the week.

Dickey is hit or miss, but all the other Jays starters have been excellent, now with the bats starting to heat up, the AL East could be in trouble.... the biggest wrinkle is the inning limit on Sanchez that will force him to the bullpen later on in the season, I assume the original plan was to bring Hutchison back up from AAA-Buffalo, but if they're at the top at the standings I don't see how they couldn't make a trade for another starter for the playoff push, likely with Hutschison as the main piece going back
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I still don't get why starting pitchers aren't suspended for starts instead of games.
1. There is no such thing as a start until the game stars. Pitch rotation is unofficial.

2. Would take weeks for suspensions to be through.

3. That would makes batters charge the mound more to try to goat them into fighting to get suspended for weks.
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1. There is no such thing as a start until the game stars. Pitch rotation is unofficial.

2. Would take weeks for suspensions to be through.

3. That would makes batters charge the mound more to try to goat them into fighting to get suspended for weks.
1. How many times a season do teams mess with the set rotation? Unless there's an injury or an off-day to give someone a bit more rest, most teams keep the rotation set for awhile

2. And that's a bad thing?

3. If I'm a Superstar that gets plunked in a blowout by a fringe AAA kid, I'd be angry too. Established pitchers hardly ever get suspended, because managers never instruct them to plunk a guy.
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Os got 2 of 3 from the Red Sox. I hate whoever did the schedule that the Os are playing the jays again this weekend.
it's a bit much. BUT I think the O's take this series at home.
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1. There is no such thing as a start until the game stars. Pitch rotation is unofficial.

2. Would take weeks for suspensions to be through.

3. That would makes batters charge the mound more to try to goat them into fighting to get suspended for weks.
1. Irrelevant. Everyone knows Ventura is a starter. There's no grey area there. He's a regular member of the starting rotation, with predetermined schedules starts based on where he's placed in the rotation. We all know.

2. Who cares if it takes weeks? How is it fair that a position player miss 5 games he'd have otherwise been in, but a pitcher misses 1 game he'd have otherwise been in? The only time a suspension based on games makes sense is for a reliever, which Ventura is not.

3. Pretty bigv reach there. Why would a batter risk fines and suspensions himself to try and get a starting pitcherv suspended when the likelihood they'd have to face that spot again in the pitcher's team's rotation during the suspension period, let alone the rest of the year, is slim and none?

A pitcher missing one start over 5 games, particular someone like Ventura who isn't very good, is not the same as an mvp/best player on his team Manny Machado missing 5 games. The guy who got plunked is getting the short end of the stick while the guy who started it all, and his team, get off easy.
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Pitchers are more valuable than a everyday player. It evens out because the everyday player plays everyday and the starting pitcher does not.
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The Jays should have saved runs for the next 2 games
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Pitchers are more valuable than a everyday player. It evens out because the everyday player plays everyday and the starting pitcher does not.
No they're not. At least not in the blanket statement you are presenting it as. Mike Trout is not less valuable than any pitcher. Except maybe Kershaw, but probably not.
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Any normal pitcher has more of an effect on the game than any starting normal everyday player. So yes they are.
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Maybe you need more of a breakdown. A pitcher is on every defensive play. If a pitcher has a bad game then multiple runs are given up and it's probably going to be a lose. If a everyday player has a bad game then they go 0 for 4 and might post an error. Those stats will not doom the game for the team.
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