Better Wrestler #54

[Destor]

VS





3 DAYS


Better Wrestler History #1. Trish Stratus vs Charlotte (27-13) #2. Trish Stratus vs The Miz (20-13) #3. Trish Stratus vs Booker T (19-19) #4. Trish Stratus vs The Big Show (19-9) #5. Trish Stratus vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (10-25) #6. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Bokker T (22-13) #7. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Kevin Nash (17-16) #8. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs John Cena (6-21) #9. John Cena vs Kevin Owens (25-8) #10. John Cena vs Goldberg (28-4) #11. John Cena vs Chris Jericho (4-33) #12. Chris Jericho vs AJ Styles (26-6) #13. Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit (26-5) #14. Chris Jericho vs Kurt Angle (9-27) #15. Kurt Angle vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-5) #16. Kurt Angle vs "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes (17-14) #17. Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero (23-12) #18. Kurt Angle vs "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (21-22) #19. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Christian (31-7) #20. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Mick Foley (27-7)#21. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (20-23)#22. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs Vader (24-15)#23. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-18)#24. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (12-24)#25. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior (34-4)#26. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-3)#27. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Triple H (32-6)#28. "Macho Man" Randy Savage vs The Undertaker (24-19)#29. Roman Reigns vs Lex Luger (21-20)#30. Roman Reigns vs The Great Khali (20-18)#31. Roman Reigns vs AJ Lee (14-24)#32. AJ Lee vs Emma (32-6)#33. AJ Lee vs Lita (11-26)#34. Lita vs John Morrison (15-22) #35. John Morrison vs Ricochet (26-6)#36. John Morrison vs Dean Malenko (8-25)#37. Dean Malenko vs Perry Saturn (23-10)#38. Dean Malenko vs Taz (19-22)#39. Taz vs Shane Douglas (28-3)#40. Taz vs Raven (15-19)#41. Raven vs Bray Wyatt (20-11)#42. Raven vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (7-25)#43. "Diamond" Dallas Page vs Scott Hall (14-16)#44. Scott Hall vs Sid Vicious (29-4)#45. Scott Hall vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (26-8)#46. Scott Hall vs "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase (13-17)#47. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase vs "Dr. Death" Steve Williams (24-6)#48. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase vs Sting (12-26)#49. Sting vs Matt Hardy (26-8)#50. Sting vs Edge (13-24)#51. Edge vs Kane (20-13)#52. Edge vs Dean Ambrose (22-13)#53. Edge vs CM Punk (12-24)

Better Wrestler Hall of Fame"Macho Man" Randy Savage

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Previous Best Wrestler Tournament HistoryROUND 1#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)ROUND 2#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)ROUND 3#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)ROUND 4#15. Randy Savage vs Shawn Michaels (25-48)

[Lock Jaw]

Rob Van Dam is terrible.

Pretty easy win for CM Punk here. Feel like I don't even need to justify this one.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw Rob Van Dam is terrible. Pretty easy win for CM Punk here. Feel like I don't even need to justify this one.

Terrible is a bit unfair...

[Lock Jaw]

Nah, it's fair.

Of course, this is from my point of view of never seeing any of his ECW stuff that he coasted off of for the rest of his career. So there is a qualifier on my opinion.

[Destor]

If RVD came up now it would be different. They really put handcuffs on him in the fed

[#1-norm-fan]

Loved ECW RVD. Punk was definitely better all around though.

[Shisen Kopf]

RVD is from Michigan plus he's not a straight edge pussy

[Destor]

RVD battled CM Punk in the very first better wrestler. RVD won 34-19

[Swiss Ultimate]

I like RVD better, but this one is kind of hard for me.

[mike adamle]

RVD easily. Punk is way overrated as time goes on he'll keep falling down the ranks, right now the pipebomb is still too recent.

RVD was more fun to watch.

RVD420

[Outsider]

RVD.

He was fun to watch and what he was doing was innovative and creative. Seemed to always bust his ass as well.

Punk is great, don't get me wrong, but in terms of ring work would choose RVD.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Outsider RVD. He was fun to watch and what he was doing was innovative and creative. Seemed to always bust his ass as well. Punk is great, don't get me wrong, but in terms of ring work would choose RVD.

"In terms of ring work"

[Swiss Ultimate]

I enjoyed RVD matches more. Rewatched him vs undertaker at vengeance, and his stuff with Sabu.

Punk was superior on the mic, but GTO was lame and 5 Star Frogsplash was beautiful.

[Destor]

Thinking thisnover for a bit. Tough initially.

RVD and Punk both have had a huge impact on the industry. The way guys work now for better or worse is molded by RVDs ECW run. Punk will undoubtedly be a huge influence on the stars of the next 15 years at least.


Once RVD left ECW he became a routine worker. He had the same match every night. He collected a pay check and went home. Punk however wouldnt phone it in. No matter the material he tried to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Some times he failed but he tried. RVD can make no such claims.

Punk.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Rob needed some steak to go with all of the potatoes he gave out.

He has also been surpassed...



Goin' with Punk.

[Lock Jaw]

Originally Posted by Destor Once RVD left ECW he became a routine worker. He had the same match every night. He collected a pay check and went home.

That's my main beef with him..... how a guy can be so lazy and one dimensional and not evolve or change for over a decade...... but then people still gobble on his weiner and chant for him because of what he did in ECW. The man has just been coasting on that, and it makes me angry.

I didn't see any of the ECW stuff but I bet it wasn't even THAT good, and like much of what I have seen of ECW was dependent on "mature content/language/hardcore wrestling"......... Totally could be wrong, though...... his work out of ECW leaves me no desire to ever go and watch him in ECW.

[mike adamle]

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon Rob needed some steak to go with all of the potatoes he gave out. He has also been surpassed... Goin' with Punk.

It's like I can't make a wrong pick, I don't think we've agreed on one yet! Maybe if you weren't always wrecked off 2 beers you'd make better decisions.

[mike adamle]

Do people think RVD was lazy in 2001? I thought 2001 WWF Invasion Rob Van Dam was some of his best stuff.

[Bad News Gertner]

RVD easy. Punk is a high school gym opening match guy

[Lock Jaw]

Originally Posted by mike adamle Do people think RVD was lazy in 2001? I thought 2001 WWF Invasion Rob Van Dam was some of his best stuff.

His one match was "exciting" the first few times I saw it, but then he got real old real fast.

Also, his punches were terrible.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Originally Posted by mike adamle It's like I can't make a wrong pick, I don't think we've agreed on one yet! Maybe if you weren't always wrecked off 2 beers you'd make better decisions.

Edge
#BROKEN Hasney, #BrotherVito DELETED, Anybody Thrilla, Ben Rodrigues, Dastardly Dale Newstead, Fastway, Fignuts, Juan, Maluco, mike adamle, Outsider, Rammsteinmad, Simple Fan, Sixx, SlickyTrickyDamon, Smelly Meatball, Supreme Olajuwon, Ultra Mantis, Verbose Minch, WinterDecay


Kane
Bad News Gertner, Big Vic, DAMN iNATOR, Destor, Jannettyzilla, Nicky Fives, Oswald Thatendswald, Ruien, Savio, screech, Shisen Kopf, Swiss, Zeeboe

Unless you are also Ruien.

[mike adamle]

So are Shane McMahon's and he's fun as hell to watch too

[Lock Jaw]

In the reverse kind of thing, I thought CM Punk sucked when he was in WWECW, and cringed when he won MitB and won the title for the first time. I didn't see anything special, but everyone was gobbling his weiner and chanting for him, and it made me mad......

He worked hard to win me over, and became one of my favourites ever.

[Simple Fan]

RVD, never cared for Punk and his long title reign caused me to stop watching WWE for a while.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by mike adamle Do people think RVD was lazy in 2001? I thought 2001 WWF Invasion Rob Van Dam was some of his best stuff.

Had this same convo 8 years ago. He had one good run when he was first brought in. When he still believed he was going to be "the man" and then once the office stripped his passion away he resided to just collect a pay check for a decade.

I dont blame him for it, but it does tarnish him.

[mike adamle]

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon Edge #BROKEN Hasney, #BrotherVito DELETED, Anybody Thrilla, Ben Rodrigues, Dastardly Dale Newstead, Fastway, Fignuts, Juan, Maluco, mike adamle, Outsider, Rammsteinmad, Simple Fan, Sixx, SlickyTrickyDamon, Smelly Meatball, Supreme Olajuwon, Ultra Mantis, Verbose Minch, WinterDecay Kane Bad News Gertner, Big Vic, DAMN iNATOR, Destor, Jannettyzilla, Nicky Fives, Oswald Thatendswald, Ruien, Savio, screech, Shisen Kopf, Swiss, Zeeboe Unless you are also Ruien.

Are you drunk? Nobody took Kane seriously in that round, and you just hit the wrong button because you were wasted...

[mike adamle]

Originally Posted by Destor Had this same convo 8 years ago. He had one good run when he was first brought in. When he still believed he was going to be "the man" and then once the office stripped his passion away he resided to just collect a pay check for a decade. I dont blame him for it, but it does tarnish him.

Was his run really that bad though?

Didn't he have really good matches with Shelton Benjamin, Randy Orton, Christian, John Cena, Edge, and the like? I really enjoyed his run to the WWE/ECW Title in 2006 before his drug bust as well.

[mike adamle]

Didn't he have an awesome match with Y2J Chris Jericho on Raw a few years ago? He hasn't phoned it in for a decade, he's had solid material over the last decade.

Who could forget his epic victory over AJ Styles for the TNA World Heavyweight Title.

[Cool King]

I completely forgot that Lock Jaw hates RVD until I read this thread.

[Destor]

And for the literal 100s of carbon copy matches he had?

[#1-norm-fan]

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw I didn't see any of the ECW stuff but I bet it wasn't even THAT good, and like much of what I have seen of ECW was dependent on "mature content/language/hardcore wrestling"......... Totally could be wrong, though...... his work out of ECW leaves me no desire to ever go and watch him in ECW.

Nah, his ECW stuff was really good and it wasn't based on the typical "mature content/language" thing. There was SOME of that. His character had a bit more edge than Benoit/Jericho/Malenko types but he fit more in that category. He was mostly awesome for putting on 5-star matches with Jerry Lynn and making the TV title seem credible as fuck. He was a really good bridge between traditional rasslin' and the "edgier" stuff.

[mike adamle]

Punk had a ton of going through the motions matches in his last run before he left for like a year.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Punk had flaws as an athlete but not as a worker. His style could be a bit sloppy from time to time but through the sheer will and stubbornness, he would have fast paced, well worked matches. He "maximized his minutes" as JR would like to say. He also took his limited athleticism and ran further than anyone could ever imagine.

RVD is about 10000000 times the athlete Punk is, but nowhere near the worker. Tons of botches, reckless spotfests and yeah, his run in the fed "was what it was". Love him, has some great moments, great matches and is incredibly charismatic but Punk as the complete package is better.

[mike adamle]

Punk's ROH run is overrated as well

[mike adamle]

Who could ever forget the monster's ball match Rob Van Dam had with Abyss to get revenge for Abyss attacking him with Janice and maiming him to end an episode of iMPACT!

[Destor]

Originally Posted by mike adamle Punk had a ton of going through the motions matches in his last run before he left for like a year.

Punk never, at any time, put on the same the match night in and night out. RVD was paint by numbers, you could blindfold yourself and call the match on time. Its not the same in the slightest and Randy orton for example who goes through spells and not putting in the effort. RVD like Mysterio would just do a routine amd take it home.

[Emperor Smeat]

CM Punk.

Felt he was better overall. Both were pretty good for in-ring skills in regards to their style, Punk was better in terms of character/gimmicks and promos.

ECW era RVD was great and so was early WWE era RVD but afterwards felt very one-dimensional as just another high flyer the WWE. He did have the chance at potentially becoming a bigger star but threw it away because of drugs and at the worst time possible.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Kinda mind-boggling to me that there are people on THIS site who have seen nothing of RVD's ECW run. Changes the perspective of who I'm talking to around here.

RVD as the TV champion was stuff of absolute legend. I feel like I don't even have to mention the matches with Jerry Lynn, but I guess I do.

He did get stale in WWE, but if you recall, he was SHIT HOT during the InVasion, and they made it pretty obvious that they weren't going to the pull the trigger on him, which possibly could have been the reason he stopped caring.

I remember going to the InVasion PPV and talking to people in the seats next to me about how dope RVD was, as they had never seen him. After his match with Jeff Hardy that night, they all became fans.

Punk was pretty entertaining, and I'll say he's maybe the best promo of the post-Attitude Era. He was involved in some absolute classics with John Cena and Daniel Bryan, but I honestly seldom thought his matches were as great as people were making them out to be. If you would have asked me this question in 2011, I'd probably still be blinded by the pipebomb smoke, but now with some clarity and retrospect, I have to give the nod to RVD.

[Bad News Gertner]

RVD was like nothing I'd ever seen when I first saw him as a mid teen watching ECW. That Heatwave match with Sabu vs Shinzaki and Hayabusa blew my mind.

Punk on the other hand looked like a gas station attendant and cut a work shoot promo. So basically Punk is a homeless looking crybaby who copied Vince Russo's shit.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

CM Punk blocked me on Twitter for saying AJ Lee looked like Gilbert Gottfried.