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Old 04-29-2018, 11:09 AM   #1
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So they're "giving up on Reigns as a top guy" allegedly
If this is actually true, I'm sure none of us are upset. But they definitely didn't do everything they could to get him over. I mean in their heads I'm sure they think they did... but I honestly don't think it would have been rocket science to go in different directions with his character that would have led to him being the "top guy" and the torch bearer for the company. Simply getting hit with 800,000 finishers and overcoming the odds isn't enough anymore. How did they think that's all they'd have to do?


This is not Roman Reigns' failure, it is the company's failure. And no matter who they choose to be "the guy" will suffer the same fate as Roman.
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:14 AM   #2
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I honestly just don't get why it was so hard for them to do anything remotely creative or risky with this dude they wanted to be "the guy".

Even when they'd job him out it was boring. They added no new wrinkles to his character EVER, and they would march him out there week after week to get booed out of the building. They didn't have to turn him heel like all the dumbasses wanted... just try different shit to get him over that went beyond the cookie cutter bullshit they tried.
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:22 AM   #3
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It's hard for them to do anything remotely creative with anyone really because they're not remotely creative.
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"Instead of having Roman kick out of five F5s this week, how about he kicks out of six F5s?"

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I'll believe it when I see it.
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doesn't matter either way tbh. Whoever the "top guy" is will either get the Reigns treatment, will be a part-timer, or will be booked like a jobber until they say he can't draw and they have to go back to Reigns. And then get upset that Roman gets booed even though they've done nothing to evolve his character.
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Guessing they'll go with Lashley next since he was rumored to feud with Brock from the offset.

If Brock didn't like working with Braun, he'll be in for a real treat with Lashley. Dude has looked atrociously unsafe during his first few matches back.
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too bad they did not let him go heel, then he would be over
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:46 AM   #9
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Lashley has the look. Would be a nice choice as he seems fun to watch.

I would still roll with Rollins too.

While they build someone up give Braun the title for like 3 or 4 months. Then he drifts back to where he is now while the new face of the company and whoever feuds.
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Old 04-29-2018, 12:15 PM   #10
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They forced this boring, cookie cutter babyface down everyone's throat and it didn't get over? Stunned. The easy way out was a heel turn. Not particularly creative but it'd have been different and given him the chance to expand his character.
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I love Roman, the person, not the character. Guy busted his ass to get where he is, not his fault he is booked like Cena once was. You'd think WWE would have learned its lesson from that.

Also Roman would work so much better as a tweener or full on heel, but christ he is booked as Superman.

And his limited boring moveset wouldn't be too bad, if he was entertaining on the mic at all. He is average at worst in both, so while not bad, he is booked due to his look. Reminds me a lot of Sid tbh.
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Old 04-29-2018, 12:31 PM   #12
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Remember when Roman was the 2nd to last guy in the Rumble against Batista? He was an underdog and the crowd was going wild for him. If they only could have called an audible then, I think we would have a totally different situation for Reigns now.
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Old 04-29-2018, 12:50 PM   #13
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If they do he'll still be a top face, just not 'the' top face. He won't exactly be dropping too far down the card.
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Old 04-29-2018, 12:55 PM   #14
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yep. you can tell via the finish in the cage match. Not that he should go down the card, with all the time invested in him.
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Old 04-29-2018, 01:02 PM   #15
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He should feud with Rollins for the IC Title. It'd make it seem more important, they have history, and would get him out of the spotlight for a bit.

And on that note, fuck Lesnar.
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Just have him believe he is an actual Roman. Cut his hair. Make him dress like a gladiator. Call him Spartacus and have Ric Flair manage him.
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Have him become a transgender Woman Reigns
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I don't think he was ever good enough. But the product, unfortunately, has far deeper problems than an average guy with no it factor on top. For me, as a potential fan though, would be great news if he was depushed. Sick looking at him and his superman punches
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If this is actually true, I'm sure none of us are upset. But they definitely didn't do everything they could to get him over. I mean in their heads I'm sure they think they did... but I honestly don't think it would have been rocket science to go in different directions with his character that would have led to him being the "top guy" and the torch bearer for the company. Simply getting hit with 800,000 finishers and overcoming the odds isn't enough anymore. How did they think that's all they'd have to do?


This is not Roman Reigns' failure, it is the company's failure. And no matter who they choose to be "the guy" will suffer the same fate as Roman.

I was just about to make a thread about my idea for rebooting Roman Reigns into a silent brooding psychopath, a la Evil Goldberg.
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Seriously though I would probably go with Rollins. They could easily make him the face of the company for now. Turn Reigns and have him be a long term nemesis to Rollins and eventually they could easily flip him face and get the reaction they have been trying to force.
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Brock Lesnar is the face of the company.
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Lashley would be a good choice for now. They'd just have to work around his promos. He's naturally got the badass vibe they wanted to manufacture with Reigns and he's fun to watch. If Lesnar's contract is short term, I'd have Heyman turn against him before he leaves and join up with Lashley.
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That's not very progressive.
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Old 04-29-2018, 04:59 PM   #27
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Have Enzo team up with Lashley when he comes back.

"I'm a certified G and a bonifide stud. and you can't teach that!

This right here is Big Lash he's african american and you can't teach that!

Bada boom! Realest niggas in the room!"
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Old 04-29-2018, 05:10 PM   #28
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Roman will work better as a upper mid-card face than top-face
I think Roman, Seth, Finn and Lashley are the big faces on RAW besides Braun, who is clearly the top face on RAW.
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Old 04-29-2018, 05:16 PM   #29
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Fandango just got moved back to Raw, can't be a coincidence.
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Who do the fans get behind these days?

Joe? AJ? Bryan?
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Joe? AJ? Bryan?
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Old 04-29-2018, 05:58 PM   #32
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Guessing they'll go with Lashley next since he was rumored to feud with Brock from the offset.

If Brock didn't like working with Braun, he'll be in for a real treat with Lashley. Dude has looked atrociously unsafe during his first few matches back.
But... but he's black!

On a serious note, Braun gets the best reactions but he can't be the "face of the company". Not that look.
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Old 04-29-2018, 06:34 PM   #33
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Roman is naturally smarmy and cocky. You can see it I his reactions and you can see it in how he responds to questions about fans opinion. He thinks he is the tits.

Book him like that, cocky heel with enforcers who calls himself the big dog and always takes the easy way out. Make him the heel to Rollins/AJ/Lashley faces. Get him some trunks and a proper theme, get him an "Empire" with Usos and a bodyguard from NXT.

He isn't who they want him to be
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Old 04-29-2018, 06:59 PM   #34
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Who is saying they are allegedly giving up on Reigns?

Meltzer?,,,,,
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I honestly just don't get why it was so hard for them to do anything remotely creative or risky with this dude they wanted to be "the guy".

Even when they'd job him out it was boring. They added no new wrinkles to his character EVER, and they would march him out there week after week to get booed out of the building. They didn't have to turn him heel like all the dumbasses wanted... just try different shit to get him over that went beyond the cookie cutter bullshit they tried.
Main reason is they wanted him to be the next Cena and stubbornly booked him that way early on instead of letting him develop his own groove as a potential mega star. Also didn't help this happened during the same time as Bryan's organic rise as a top star and Vince resenting it.

Every time it seems like they might have learned or are taking him into a new direction, they go right back to the failed forced booking habits that has been proven to not work for years.
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Old 04-29-2018, 07:39 PM   #36
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Ain't believing any of this until after Backlash.

If Roman isn't put into another title match with Lesnar, then okay this rumor has some credibility.

Overall, however, I'd like to know if Roman Reigns had ANY input in this push he's had going on for the last couple years know. Did he offer any insight/ideas to the higher ups or Vince on how he could present himself?

Or, did he just nod his head up and down and say "Yes, Vince" at every opportunity and didn't do fuck all.

As the saying goes, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."
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They could decide on Hornswoggle being the number 1 guy and y'all would still be Vince's bitch handing y'alls $ over.
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Old 04-29-2018, 07:49 PM   #38
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Ain't believing any of this until after Backlash.

If Roman isn't put into another title match with Lesnar, then okay this rumor has some credibility.

Overall, however, I'd like to know if Roman Reigns had ANY input in this push he's had going on for the last couple years know. Did he offer any insight/ideas to the higher ups or Vince on how he could present himself?

Or, did he just nod his head up and down and say "Yes, Vince" at every opportunity and didn't do fuck all.

As the saying goes, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."
I think he's just vanilla on the inside.
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Old 04-29-2018, 07:54 PM   #39
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Old 04-29-2018, 07:55 PM   #40
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Vince emailed him.
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