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Old 12-08-2015, 02:16 PM   #4801
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Really don't see how Gyorko fits with the cards. He's not starting over Wong at second, he's sure as shit not starting over Carpenter at third either. So now he's a moderately extensive backup/platoon player with no real position and 2.5 years of futility.

Maybe he progresses to become an average regularly (roughly 2 WAR) but I don't see him suddenly breaking out when playing time is already limited.
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Old 12-08-2015, 02:29 PM   #4802
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Can he play anywhere else? Or might he get flipped?

Clearly I know a ton about him.
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Old 12-08-2015, 02:33 PM   #4803
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He really doesn't play second base well and he's seen minimal time elsewhere. I'd be stunne if they could flip his contract. $19 million for a below average hitter with no position is a tough sell.
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Zobrist reportedly has a 4 year, $80 million offer on the table.

Welp...if it's true I guess I can scratch him off the list. I was actually okay with giving him the 4th year, but a $20M/year valuation on him is insane. I'm guessing the Nats were the team to give him that offer.

That'll probably do it for the Mets' 2B search, too. Unless Murph's market completely collapses and he can be had for like a 1 or 2 year deal late in the offseason, I really don't see a better option than just hoping Dilson Herrera works out.
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Could just be the usual bullshit that reporters make up during winter meetings, too.

Hope so. I've kinda gotten my hopes up on Zobrist now so I don't wanna be let down.
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He really doesn't play second base well and he's seen minimal time elsewhere. I'd be stunne if they could flip his contract. $19 million for a below average hitter with no position is a tough sell.
It can't hurt to give it the old college try. That's expensive for a backup.
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It is.

And I agree Vito. $20 million is a lot. Supposedly $7 million is what one WAR is worth, so in theory, it's not really that outlandish given how good Zobrist has been even this past season, which was maybe his worst in a while, he's still likely a $15, maybe $20 million player for a couple of years, but probably not 3 and certainly not 4.
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I don't think they need one guy to carry the team. They just need a better overall top-to-bottom lineup from the get-go. If they get Zobrist and Span they'd be looking at something like:

CF Span
RF Granderson
2B Zobrist
3B Wright
1B Duda
C d'Arnaud
LF Conforto
SS Flores

Maybe I'm crazy but I think they could actually compete with that. Duda may be the only bonafide power hitter in that group but in such a big park they really don't need a ton of sluggers. They need guys who can get on base and move the line along. That lineup won't scare you like the one with Murphy and Cespedes did, but it's still a far better one than they threw out there for the first 3 months of last season.

Also helps that I'm extremely high on Conforto. I could legit see him hitting out of the 3 hole at some point soon.

Plawecki, Tejada, Lagares, and Michael "highest paid bench coach in the league" Cadaver as your backups. Would love to see them bring back Kelly Johnson too.
That line up is not good.
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Old 12-08-2015, 05:59 PM   #4810
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Yankees & Cubs are working on something involving Starlin Castro.

I honestly don't think he's the solution to our shortstop problem.
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Old 12-08-2015, 06:49 PM   #4811
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No but he could be a solution to the second base problem.
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That line up is not good.
You don't think so? I mean to each their own but I can see why it'd be good. You'd have a speedy leadoff guy in Span, the veteran trio of Grandy/Zobrist/Wright to give you stability in the middle of the lineup, your power guy in Duda, d'Arnaud and Flores above-average hitters for their positions, and a budding star in Conforto.

I mean yeah it's not a strong lineup compared to the loaded ones you typically see in the AL, but I feel like that group would get the Mets enough runs to support their pitching and win a lot of games in the mostly weak NL East.

Feeling less optimistic about Zobrist now, though the 4 year/$80 million deal was said to be false, but now it's confirmed that the Cubs have jumped in. Zobrist and Maddon are really tight. Feel like he's going to pick them. Bollocks.
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And just as I say that, there it is. 4 years, $56 million. Zobrist to the Cubs. Fuck.
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Feel like this makes the Mets look really bad tbh. Went out of their way to declare he was their top guy on the board and still couldn't land him in favor of him going to a team that right now has about 5 million infielders.

I know the Cubs will trade some guys to free up room for him, but still. Fuck. Dilson Herrera better be the real deal or this was a huge miss by Mets brass.
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Mets should have just ran with this.
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Old 12-08-2015, 07:52 PM   #4816
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Wow. World of possibilities on the trade front now.
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Castro to the Yankees now agreed upon pending medical review.
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It's Starlin Castro for Adam Warren, apparently.

Waiting to see if there's more to it. If not then WTFFFFFF @ the Yankees being able to pry an All Star SS away for basically nothing.
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I like Warren a lot (no evidence to support), but he feels replaceable in a still strong bullpen, and *as a Yankees fan* I like that they're always making moves. I appreciate that they're not the lame ass Mets

Castro is cool, now to Frank Drubben to tell me why he's not...

Will Warren get a chance to compete for a rotation slot?
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Rotation was a bit of a log jam. I can see Warren being the odd man out and sending him out. Castro's nice. I guess he's an improvement over Sir Didi, although Didi figured it out the 2nd half of the season.
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D-Backs get Shelby Miller from the Braves for Ender Inciarte and a few others.

Arizona ain't screwing around. Got themselves another good arm. Although, this trend is almost like the Padres last season. And look how that turned out.
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Mets reportedly "shellshocked" from losing out on Zobrist and thought they had it in the bag. They have no real backup plan at 2B and will just go with Herrera unless Murphy's price drops.

Oh and of course the Yankees played a big role in proceedings too, Cubs don't sign Zobrist if they can't find a suitor for Castro first. So they at least played a hand in dicking the Mets over.

lol. as if the World Series wasn't a reminder, I'm gradually remembering what it feels like to be a Met fan again. somebody tell me it's going to be ok
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Nice trade for both Atlanta and Arizona.

Az gets the number two they were in the market for, even if it means they their shortstop of the future who could've contributed as soon as next year.

Atlanta gets their shortstop of the future, and another arm to add to the two they got in dealing Simmons.
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Read on Twitter that DBacks were discussing Jose Fernandez deal. Would have included Pat Corbin AND Lt. Dans. This is way better than that from a cost perspective, at least.
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Arizona is gonna be that team that adds a bunch of studs and gets off to a slow start, everyone panics before they start playing better in June.
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Something tells me there's not a market for Chris Davis to get a monster deal and he ends up staying in Baltimore. I can't see him taking less to go elsewhere

I do wish they could find a starter for the rotation though
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Did I mention the DBacks pitching was a tire fire last year? Hopefully the Miller trade (vs. a Leakee Mike signing) frees up a little cash money to get a couple decent bullpen arms.
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Castro is cool, now to Frank Drubben to tell me why he's not...

Will Warren get a chance to compete for a rotation slot?
Castro is a guy with tons of unfulfilled potential. Those 300 batting averages are all hollow as fuck. I swear to god, 9 out of 10 base hits I saw from him this year were dribblers through the infield just hit in between defenders. Terrible pitch selection at the plate. Swung at 36.2% of pitches out of the zone he saw. Embarrassing mental miscues in the field. Used to happen when he was 19-20 and everyone was like "hes just a kid" but it never stopped happening. If it wasnt for playing well in a part time role in August/September he would have totally tanked his value. I honestly thought his value was at the point where he needed to be part of a package in order to trade him. He also apparently loves to party and not spend alot of time "honing his craft" which might explain his lack of growth as a player.

Despite all this, he's still only 26 and his contract isn't the worst (2016: $7M, 17: $9M, 18: $10M, 19: $11M, 20: $16M club option ($1M buyout)) and he is supposedly a decent enough guy in the clubhouse so in theory he still may be able to get better but he may just be what he is: a pretty decent defensive infielder who will hit 270 with a 310 OBP and hit 12-15 HR.

I think Warren gets a chance to start as the Cubs really have no one past the current projected starting 5. They need a couple of those guys who could pitch out of the pen and take over a spot in the rotation in case of an injury and maybe grow into the role as a guy like Lackey fades or retires.
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Read a renowned scout's take on the the Arizona/Atlanta, advising Atlanta just fleeced Arizona for a good not great #2 starting pitcher.
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Lt. Dans is the 2nd coming of Chipper Jones. They totally got fucked. But win now moves!
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Apparently Zobrist's deal with the Cubs was agreed upon on Monday night but both sides were able to actually keep their mouths shut while the physicals were going on.

Meanwhile on Tuesday, John Ricco very publicly said that Zobrist being a Met was good as done. Collins held a press conference in which he said he envisioned Zobrist batting second. Jeff Wilpon flew to the winter meetings to make the official signing announcement. Yet the whole time, the Cubs knew they had already landed him.

What a fucking disaster for the Mets. They are the only team in baseball that this shit happens to. It's like the Gomez non-trade all over again.
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Lowe deal updated, $11m over the two years instead of $13m, seems a bit better... yeah... go Tigers
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Happy to replace castro with zobrist, but I'm very confused by the signing. I get it in that it gives you flexibility on the field and that's exactly the kind of bat they need in the lineup and whatnot but it really goes against the MO of the braintrust to sign a 35 year old to a multi year deal that includes a no trade clause. They still need a CF unless they honestly think Javy Baez can play there. Took a big gamble that any issues zobrist had last year were injury related and that a 35 year old can pick up where he left off.
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Great points Frank. I know Zobrist is versatile but really with the knee injury he may be limited to just second. I wouldn't be stunned if Baez is still moved to upgrade in centerfield.
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Phillies sign David Hernandez to a one year deal, "showing interest" in Doug Fister.

I'm good with the signing and would be good with Fister. Definite upgrades, even if they're not earth-shattering moves.
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Perusing MLB Trade Rumors re: Jose Fernandez. Marlins want teams to really unload for him. I get it, but these are some steep "offers."

Apparently they wanted at least Pederson, Urias, and Seager from the Dodgers.
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