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Old 04-27-2012, 04:32 PM   #281
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Finally started reading the first book. Feels like I know a lot more about the historical events behind Westeros as a result.
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Old 04-27-2012, 04:35 PM   #282
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Ask away, and I will be glad to explain anything I can that you don't understand, without giving spoilers.

Main thing about this season is just the amount of characters that get added to it. With everyone splitting up, there's just so many things going on around the world.
I'm just confused as to where each group is traveling to and why.
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Old 04-27-2012, 04:36 PM   #283
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Also not enough of Daenerys getting banged from behind.
Need more of that slave bird teaching her how to fuck.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:36 PM   #284
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I'm just confused as to where each group is traveling to and why.
Let me try:

1) Rob Stark and his northerners are heading down south to beat the lannisters and depose of Joffrey as King. He has also gained support from the Freys and the Tullys making him King in the North and King of the Trident.

2) Renly Baratheon has the stormlords and highgarden in support for his quest to be King, pretty much moving slowly to gather more men and also because Renly is a prick and needs entertainment each day

3) Stannis Baratheon has claim over Renly (being the elder brother) if Joffrey is indeed the incestuous son of Jaime and Cersei but he is a hard, bitter man with no sense of politics and could not win over the supporters of Renly. He wants manpower before marching to King's Landing

4) Daenerys and her Khos are in the continent of Essos, travelling away from the Dothraki Sea to escape from the other new Khals, and also to survive and gain support to get back to Westeros and reclaim her throne

5) The Greyjoys are using the fact that the north is more or less depleted of warriors to capture Moat Cailin and cut off Rob's army from the north. Then they can slowly capture other castles in the north. But Theon has more ambitious plans and wants to take over
SPOILER: show
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6) Yonnen is taking deserters, criminals, bastards and Arya Stark to the Wall up North to make them part of the Night's Watch and deliver Arya safely to Jon Snow and eventually to her mother.

7) A band of knights and soldiers led by Beric Dondarrion and Thoros of Myr were sent by Ned Stark to capture Jaime Lannister when Ned was still Hand of the King. Now they are outlaws and fighting Lannisters and Starks all alike in the name of Robert Baratheon. They are located near the Trident area.

8) Lord Commander Mormont has taken over 300 of the Nights Watch to find out the truth behind rumours that Mance Ryder, self proclaimed King-Beyond-The-Wall has been gathering a fucking lot of wildlings and what not for an assault on the Wall and the rest of Westeros. But there are also other entities out there known simply as the Others that can reanimate the dead.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:39 PM   #285
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Old 04-27-2012, 07:58 PM   #286
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:30 PM   #287
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:27 PM   #288
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:32 PM   #289
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:35 PM   #290
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Old 04-28-2012, 06:38 PM   #291
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:55 AM   #292
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:57 AM   #293
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:37 AM   #294
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:10 PM   #295
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I think Little Finger is the worst villain in the stories.
He does seem like a bit of a scumbag. Bet he's going to end up trying to get thingy Tyrell (Renly's widow) married off to Joffrey.

Joffrey's definitely worse than him though.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:45 PM   #296
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Joffrey is a cunt. It's easy to loathe him. He is literally a psychopath in the vein of the mad king.
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He would probably go down as FAR worse than the mad king if he actually lived that long. Can't wait till karma kicks him in the nuts.
Littlefinger is an asshole. He's good at what he does, but my god do I hate him as a person. Conniving bastard who only cares about himself. At least Varys seems to be a 'good' person and has good reasons for the things he does. He's not simply looking out for #1.

Also, I think Cersei is a way more 'vile' person than Littlefinger. She is an entirely terrible person with zero morals.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:55 PM   #297
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I have to disagree about Cersei. In the end, she did all for her children and she was once good before
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The Mad King went against his promise and refused Cersei for Rhaegar and she ended p with Robert Baratheon who never really loved her.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:56 PM   #298
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:27 PM   #299
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Cersei uses totally dishonest ways to get things for her family that they didn't deserve in the first place though. She is not a good person by any means. She has zero morals, and will lie or cheat her way to the top by any means necessary. She doesn't care if something is wrong, as long as it benefits her family.

I mean, there's providing for your family, doing what's necessary for their safety.. and then there's just plain manipulating people who are just trying to do good things, so that your family can get things they don't deserve. Things that her false sense of entitlement made her feel she deserved.

She really has no redeeming qualities. Had 3 children with her brother, plotted to murder Robert Baratheon (and essentially did). All because she was mad that she had to marry him, and that he still loved a woman who was dead. She allowed herself to be overcome by hatred and spite. She is a petty woman, who thinks money can solve anything and that being honorable is a weakness. She is a vile person.
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You have to see Cersei's actions in the context of her being born a woman. She can't intimidate people directly so she has to use her fanny to control them. She is obviously manipulative but that is the hand that is dealt to her as a woman. She often makes reference to this in the books, that she should have been born a man. She is trying to secure her family's strength, same as pretty much all the characters of the book are doing. Plenty of references are made in the book to Robert beating her as well, which she had to hide from Jaime so as he wouldn't kill Robert, so she put up with a lot from him.
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Of course it's all in the context of the world they live in. Doesn't really excuse that she had plenty of opportunity to be a decent person. It still stands to reason that the Lannisters are a bunch of self-entitled pricks who think their money equates to them being better than everyone. Tywin ordered the murder of the Targaryen children, sacked the city when they took it, and some of the things he has done and later does to Tyrion are despicable. He does nothing in the interest of the people he wishes to rule. It's a family of greed and self-interest. The ONLY redeeming quality they have is some twisted sense of loyalty to anyone named Lannister. Even then, if something can benefit them more than the name is worth, they'll throw them under a bus.

It's nice that Tyrion
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see the family for how it really is. Tyrion for obvious reasons such as being the target of his father's spite and hatred for so long.
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For Jaime to come around like he does, was an incredible development in his character I thought. It's really easy to hate him at first, but he is actually a really admirable character, because even coming from the family he does, and knowing what's expected of him, he realizes he can do better than that and can be a better person. Really interested to see what becomes of him when the series continues/finishes.


Daenyris and the Starks are possibly the only people actually doing for good and just reasons. Stannis, while technically the rightful king, is going about it in a completely fucked up way by killing his brother and letting himself essentially be ruled by Melisandre.

Rob at least doesn't care about the Iron Throne, he just wants justice for his father being murdered. He wants the north to be their own entity and be outside the rule of the Iron Throne after seeing all the trouble and pointless hardship it creates.
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You have to see Cersei's actions in the context of her being born a woman. She can't intimidate people directly so she has to use her fanny to control them. She is obviously manipulative but that is the hand that is dealt to her as a woman. She often makes reference to this in the books, that she should have been born a man. She is trying to secure her family's strength, same as pretty much all the characters of the book are doing. Plenty of references are made in the book to Robert beating her as well, which she had to hide from Jaime so as he wouldn't kill Robert, so she put up with a lot from him.
100 per cent correct.
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I think you'll get more enjoyment out of the books and equal enjoyment out of the show if you read them first.

I'm nearly done with the 5th book.
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I think you'll get more enjoyment out of the books and equal enjoyment out of the show if you read them first.

I'm nearly done with the 5th book.
Ya. I don't like that they have changed certain things. Some changes seem 'pointless'. But I still enjoy it because I know what SHOULD be happening at certain times when it isn't the same because I have read the books. Still, it is following really close. The books do suspense and character development so much better than any TV show could ever do. I enjoy the show in a 'different way' than the books, almost just as much, but the books just give a whole different spin on everything.

I don't regret reading the books before the show at all. The main reason is for the suspense/character development. Feel like I know the characters way better from reading the books than I would have if I just watched the show. For instance, the Theon Greyjoy/Winterfell thing had way more impact in the books. As things were unfolding with him, I was fucking pissed. Legit hated him because of the way the book did things. Was a really shocking and devious thing.

Dunno if it's cause I already knew it was gonna happen or what, but the show just didn't do it in a way that really made me loathe him at that deep of a level as in the books. Theon in the books had more of a 'presence' than the guy who plays him in the show maybe. You get to know more of his background and the Greyjoys in general, which maybe makes it easier to hate him that much in the books. You start to feel pity for him, and even like him as a character, and then he pulls a swerve and you just fucking hate him. Dunno.

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Hope they keep the suspense up with the whole 'killing Bran/Ricken' thing. With other people having died, I didn't know what was going to happen to them. Just heard the 'news' across the continent that they had been killed and their heads were on spikes outside the wall, so I was like FUCK NO. Then later when you find out they pulled a fast one, was all YESSSSSS.


You're gonna have to wait like 7 years if you don't just read them now. Kinda doing yourself a disservice by waiting. Best to read them while it's still fresh in your mind, as they are really incredible books. The show is not bad by any means. Quite the opposite. But the books are just that much better than the show, that you would benefit from knowing some of the more intricate details and characters to be able to apply that to things happening in the show.
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On another note, Arya -

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Can't fucking wait to see how Arya becomes one of the Faceless Men. She is one of my favorite characters because of just how much shit she goes through. She goes through more hardship than virtually any other character I think, and it's made worse because she's so young IMO. She didn't want to be a lady, and she got her wish. But it turned out to be far different than she imagined it probably. Life is fucking rough.

Also, hope the show doesn't shy away from the whole mysticism/magic bit with Beric Dondarrion. They probably won't be able to properly delve into the details as much, but dying 7 times is a pretty major plot point in his character.
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Of course it's all in the context of the world they live in. Doesn't really excuse that she had plenty of opportunity to be a decent person. It still stands to reason that the Lannisters are a bunch of self-entitled pricks who think their money equates to them being better than everyone. Tywin ordered the murder of the Targaryen children, sacked the city when they took it, and some of the things he has done and later does to Tyrion are despicable. He does nothing in the interest of the people he wishes to rule. It's a family of greed and self-interest. The ONLY redeeming quality they have is some twisted sense of loyalty to anyone named Lannister. Even then, if something can benefit them more than the name is worth, they'll throw them under a bus.

It's nice that Tyrion
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and later Jaime, both
see the family for how it really is. Tyrion for obvious reasons such as being the target of his father's spite and hatred for so long.
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For Jaime to come around like he does, was an incredible development in his character I thought. It's really easy to hate him at first, but he is actually a really admirable character, because even coming from the family he does, and knowing what's expected of him, he realizes he can do better than that and can be a better person. Really interested to see what becomes of him when the series continues/finishes.


Daenyris and the Starks are possibly the only people actually doing for good and just reasons. Stannis, while technically the rightful king, is going about it in a completely fucked up way by killing his brother and letting himself essentially be ruled by Melisandre.

Rob at least doesn't care about the Iron Throne, he just wants justice for his father being murdered. He wants the north to be their own entity and be outside the rule of the Iron Throne after seeing all the trouble and pointless hardship it creates.
Cersei is a very bitter character but with good reason. This is hardly a spoiler since it's right at the start of the book, but it's Jaime who pushed Bran out of the window. Cersei didn't want that to happen, so she's not a pointlessly cruel person.
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The storyline for Cersei is basically a long tale of being fucked over simply for being a woman, which explains why she is so bitter by the time we get to A Feast For Crows (which I'm near the end of now). There's the fact she was told she would be promised to Rhaegar, who everyone loved, but ended up getting married to Robert. She was separated from Jaime at a young age (because they were boning each other obviously).

When she does marry Robert, she is happy for all of a day when he drunkenly refers to her by a dead girl's name on their wedding night. It also emerges that Robert not only beat her from time to time, but regularly raped her when drunk. She loves her kids and is devastated when Myrcella is taken away and when Joffery dies and sees Tyrion as a threat to her children. This is all in addition to what I discussed before, with her being a woman and thus forced to use cunning rather than brutality. She's also well aware that whoever takes the throne will slaughter her family, as Robert had the Targaraeyn offspring killed when he gained power.

In hindsight as the story progresses it's obvious why she is so bitter. She's an interesting character.


The main genuinely evil characters that I can see would be The Mountain and his men, plus Vargo Hoat and the Brave Companions. Lord Frey, Roose Bolton and Bolton's Bastard are pretty grim too I suppose, given how they cement their power. Tywin does some pretty awful things but he also manages to end or avoid war by doing so, so I guess he's pragmatic in many ways, if ruthless.
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As nice a guy as Robb is, he completely fucks over everyone who followed him into the war.


In regards to ruling the kingdoms for the benefit of the citizens, it's mentioned a fair few times that the lives of the ordinary people don't really change no matter who is king. They pretty much have a shit time of it regardless, getting murdered and raped.
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Old 05-14-2012, 05:08 PM   #317
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Nice how while Cersei came across as less of an evil bitch, Theon went well and truly off the deep end into become an absolute monster.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:13 PM   #318
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:33 PM   #319
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:12 PM   #320
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