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Old 12-12-2017, 06:24 PM   #161
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Besides, 2 can play that petty little game.
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Old 12-12-2017, 06:30 PM   #162
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screech is laying down nothing but massive logic turds. My response to you was "As long as it makes you laugh." I still think it's bad for the image of wrestling, but as long as you get a chortle, cool.
lol you've barely actually read anything I've said to you, but sure - "logic turds"

Whatever makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, buddy!
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Old 12-12-2017, 06:33 PM   #163
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The fact that he neg repped me for suggesting you were DESTORYING him (which you are) means he knows that he is getting DESTROYED.
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Old 12-12-2017, 06:36 PM   #164
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Has been and a fat guy rambling is all I'm seeing lol
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:08 PM   #165
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Re-watching last night's promo. Totally missed Bray calling Matt a modern day golden calf followed immediately by Matt mooing. That was pretty good.

The back and forth transitions are fucking shit though. Works way better without them or with just really quick ones that you barely notice.
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:36 AM   #166
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Just watched. Those transitions are pretty brutal. Did they edit out Matt mooing though?
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:03 AM   #167
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Yeah it appears so. They took out that plus one of the things Bray said. The transitions make it seamless to edit stuff out later if they want to, but they're still dumb.

Oh and they also edited out one of the laughing fits from each guy (there were three at first....uncomfortably long). Maybe that means even WWE realize it was excessive.

Lmao silly me, the whole promo will be laughing before long.
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:14 AM   #168
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Boggles my mind that 2017 Noid is actually admitting to giving people shit for something they enjoy but he doesn’t, when a few years ago he was defending himself from BDC and Kane Knight for liking stuff they didn’t like
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:19 AM   #169
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:27 AM   #170
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Noid, the point is that it’s ok to not like something, but to give people shit for having a different opinion is highly hypocritical of you. Especially given the fact that you have so much to say about a product that outside of a few YouTube videos, you don’t even watch.

We get it, you think WWE sucks, but don’t be a dick to someone who dares enjoy it or gives it a chance before totally shitting on it. Take a chill pill
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:38 AM   #171
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My man Juan gets it.

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Old 12-13-2017, 07:40 AM   #172
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Been behind on my rasslin so I just saw the first one last night. Just as campy as I figured, but it was a good way to introduce the gimmick.

That 10-hour laughing video, though - yikes.

Gonna watch this week's shows tonight. Based on some responses, I'm less hopeful haha
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:03 AM   #173
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Noid, the point is that it’s ok to not like something, but to give people shit for having a different opinion is highly hypocritical of you. Especially given the fact that you have so much to say about a product that outside of a few YouTube videos, you don’t even watch.

We get it, you think WWE sucks, but don’t be a dick to someone who dares enjoy it or gives it a chance before totally shitting on it. Take a chill pill
Literally been saying this for 8 months. Now people understand.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:19 AM   #174
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Its not just WWE either, I don't think Noid likes wrestling in general. He just likes talking about how he wants wrestling to be.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:42 AM   #175
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I didn't see a bunch of the original version of this, so I'm curious: Did Jeff join him even after the Final Deletion thing? Will they join up when Jeff is healed?

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Old 12-13-2017, 10:46 AM   #176
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Yeah, but Jeff was the one that broke him in the first place.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:48 AM   #177
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Oh. Well that's a twist.

I bet Vince uses it as a reason for another BLOODFEUD.
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:04 AM   #178
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Jeff broke him in a I Quit match after diving off a stairwell onto Matt. Final Deletion had a stipulation that if Matt won he became the sole owner of the Hardy Brand and Jeff had to become Brother Nero and stop his spot monkey addiction.
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:17 AM   #179
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As batshit crazy as it is, Matt's actually been consistent with the backstory of his character everywhere he's taken it. Including WWE.

His soul is currently in the physical vessel of Matt Hardy but it's been around for hundreds of years in other vessels, hence him having a violin from Stradivari amongst other things.

The thing is - in TNA, ROH, and wherever else it was proven that all of the batshit stuff Matt has said was actually 100% true. His Lake of Reincarnation literally does send people back into their old gimmicks. He wasn't lying about any of it.

It's unlikely WWE will go that deep into it. Maybe he'll do a few paranormal things like Bray but for the most part they've positioned it early on as "Matt's just acting weird and saying nonsense" and it'll feel half-assed.
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Agree and I liked the part where he explained that Sister Abigail had taken over Bray's vessel. Hardy made sense of Sister Abigail in one promo better than WWE had done since Wyatt showed up.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:03 PM   #181
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As batshit crazy as it is, Matt's actually been consistent with the backstory of his character everywhere he's taken it. Including WWE.

His soul is currently in the physical vessel of Matt Hardy but it's been around for hundreds of years in other vessels, hence him having a violin from Stradivari amongst other things.

The thing is - in TNA, ROH, and wherever else it was proven that all of the batshit stuff Matt has said was actually 100% true. His Lake of Reincarnation literally does send people back into their old gimmicks. He wasn't lying about any of it.

It's unlikely WWE will go that deep into it. Maybe he'll do a few paranormal things like Bray but for the most part they've positioned it early on as "Matt's just acting weird and saying nonsense" and it'll feel half-assed.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:40 PM   #182
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:47 PM   #183
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If you're gonna be over the top, you may as well be consistent with it, right?
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Boggles my mind that 2017 Noid is actually admitting to giving people shit for something they enjoy but he doesn’t, when a few years ago he was defending himself from BDC and Kane Knight for liking stuff they didn’t like
Have brought this up to him. His argument is that people change.
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:03 PM   #186
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You would think that, after all his years in the business and his ability to get his shot over, WWE Creative would know enough to let Matt do his own thing and only direct him towards angles.
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Awww look Noid is resorting to Neg reps. Are your feelings hurt because people enjoy something you don't? I'm sorry. Wait, no I'm not. Pussy.
Sounds like you're the one who is getting hurt by it, truthfully. I only neg rep mike adamle posts and people that I think make something counter-productive towards discussion. You fall into the later category.

1. screech is coming from a position that his perspective is correct. This has always been my biggest gripe with him when he goes off onto these tangents. He's the only person on these boards that does it. Literally, the only one. Everyone else seems to get subjective versus objective, at least to some extent. But he can't seem to wrap his head around why someone would think that something someone subjectively likes is objectively bad, and why they would bother critiquing it on a board to discuss these things. It's asinine.

2. screech constantly says I ignore his points despite me consistently responding directly to them. "Why would you come here and make fun of something people enjoy?" seems to be the place he keeps returning to, despite me answering this time, and time, and time, and time again. It's interfering with something I enjoy. I am open to people discussing it and saying "I enjoy it." I've given examples of that. Where I jump off is when people say "I enjoy it, therefore it is good." It make be far too logical a way of thinking for some who can't separate themselves from what they enjoy, but...

3. screech constantly makes the implication that my opinion must be wrong if it clashes against the opinions of others. This is a self-defeating argument and one that cannibalizes itself. Wouldn't your subjective opinion be defeated by mine then? Of course not, because it's a one-way street with folks like screech. These are the sort of people who will cry "free speech" and then get upset when someone says "you're wrong." Ironically what you're accusing me of, I guess.

So, here it is spelled out for: Broken Matt Hardy is dumb. It's not fucking funny and anyone who likes it can be accused of bad taste. All wrestling is bad taste. Cool. That doesn't alleviate that Broken Matt is worse. It's daft, dumb and, frankly, not even very creative. But casual audiences have been chased away so all that are left are my fellow geek to enjoy it and that is why we can't have nice things.

That is my opinion. What do I base this on? Well, my own opinion, which is as weighted as highly as yours and belongs just as much in a thread about Broken Matt as anything else. But also the fact that it did zero business in TNA despite getting all these rave reviews about being the hottest thing in wrestling. Mathematically impossible. Actual lies -- not malicious ones, but just ones out of ignorance.

Why does it even matter to me? Because I want wrestling to get good again. It's impossible with shit like this on television. That it makes you laugh might be the problem.

If you enjoy it? Fine. I enjoy wrestling, but I wouldn't make the claim it deserves an Emmy or even a fucking time-slot with the way things currently are. But I still subjectively like it, even though I don't think it's good. Now, with Broken Matt, I challenge someone to explain to me why it is good. How it is good. #fan tried. "It's different and everything else is shit" seems to be the winning argument. Good work, guys. You're really "destroying" me.

Either get this thread back on track and start talking about the subject matter at hand and not screech's white-knight complex, or you will continue to go down in my books. You might not care, but it sounds like you do by your massive sook.

Also, keep in mind that the closest thing to an insult I've thrown at you this whole time is lumping you in, collectively, with the geeks who still watch wrestling, and accusing you of bad taste. I haven't called you dumb, or a moron, or an idiot, or a pussy. Just like I never called screech that. I've asked if he can pick it out and thus far he hasn't. He's called me plenty though. Interesting, huh?

DISCLOSURE: I did edit a post that said "I think this is trash and everyone who likes it is trash" for poetic emphasis, but I thought some people might actually take it to heart, since when it comes to Broken Matt and having an opinion on him, apparently you don't even need to call someone a name to call them a name. I'm not even against name-calling, because I don't take it seriously and find it a bright way to pepper conversation, but in this context I went out of my way to avoid it.

My gripe with screech is how he formulates his arguments. His seems to be more based on how I make him feel and a need to try and "get one over" on me. Cool. He can do his thing. I've explained Broken Matt very thoroughly, and I've explained my issues with the substance of his posts. He continues to say I ignore him. Now I will.
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:03 PM   #188
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Boggles my mind that 2017 Noid is actually admitting to giving people shit for something they enjoy but he doesn’t, when a few years ago he was defending himself from BDC and Kane Knight for liking stuff they didn’t like
Yeah, and if both were around I'd apologize to them for being a little turd. Don't so much remember the BDC stuff, but KK would present arguments and I'd say stuff like "No, that doesn't matter," but he was right about a lot. I can admit that now.
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Noid, the point is that it’s ok to not like something, but to give people shit for having a different opinion is highly hypocritical of you. Especially given the fact that you have so much to say about a product that outside of a few YouTube videos, you don’t even watch.

We get it, you think WWE sucks, but don’t be a dick to someone who dares enjoy it or gives it a chance before totally shitting on it. Take a chill pill
I thought I was giving the gimmick criticism this whole time. If people think I've been giving specific people shit, then I'm sorry. No, I just think the gimmick is absolute shit. Which is okay by your initial statement?

The reason I don't watch the product regularly is because of shit like this. I still follow and this makes it hard. Is that inappropriate to say? Is that hypocritical? Or is it more hypocritical to say "You can't have an opinion about our opinion?" I'm legitimately confused as to how you guys think opinions work.

I realize that I can come off snarky in tone. That bluntness is part of my "gimmick." I don't see the point in saying "Hey guys, sorry, but, ummm" on a wrestling forum. I'd just get to the point and say "Matt Hardy is shit." Sometimes I will exaggerate and say "Matt Hardy's the fucking worst piece of garbage in wrestling today," which isn't true, and I trust can be discerned by people. But I do think people are confusing this snark with personal attacks. Now that it's not just screech, I will probably take some more time off these boards after today, because I honestly don't feel like talking to people in wishy-washy language (how I get to express myself here is a large part of why I stick around, and not just what I express).

But I'll point to a conversation you and I had about 205 Live, where you said the guys "deserve it," which struck me as a weird thing to say about guys that have, frankly, not worked well at all on the main roster. You ended up coming back around to "just my opinion" and I was like "cool, man." I think it's a bit of a work that this is about opinions. This is because people have a complex with me because they think I act smarter than they do. Look at screech flipping out about me making him feel like an idiot for simply addressing his points time and time again. "Why do you come here?" "Why do you do this?" Answer, answer. "No, I want an answer, you cunt. I am smart too." Blah, blah.

I'm not going to dumb myself down. I'm not going to stop trying to make objective points over just saying "I like this guy! I like to have fun!". Some people come here for that and I do, largely, try to stay out of their way, because I was once like that. I've wizened up and now I crave more substantive conversation. Some (Destor, #1-wwf-fan, Gertner, sometimes Dale, BigCrippyZ before he got bored, sometimes Thrilla) can provide that. Others -- man, it's weird that you think I'm the one with my head up my ass. I'm waiting to learn something and be taught something, but all you want to do is talk about how regal your feelings are.

It's no wonder these boards are flat and not fun anymore. You used to get all sorts and all sorts of people talking about all sorts of things. Now they're dead, and a large part is because conversation breaks down into stupid little wars like this, and a large part of that is because there is only, like, one type of fan still left engaged by the product.

I'm very happy for you all enjoying the downward spiral. It is going to get worse with you cheerleading it though. As I said earlier when the Matt Hardy video got more views than the TNA stuff ever did: "Be careful what you wish for..."
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:26 PM   #192
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I much prefer the Noid who hates on everyone/everything in wrestling to the Noid who seemed to think everyone/everything was great.
I used to be very, very naive, haha. I honestly feel as if my opinion now is very balanced and objective. And when someone corrects me, I'm honestly happy to adjust myself. How many times have I said "You were right about Alex Riley?"
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I miss Evil Noid who tried to see CyNicks side of things.
Evil Noid is a gimmick I do sometimes try to revive for Raw threads and such. It might make a comeback soon.
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Old 12-13-2017, 05:07 PM   #195
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Noid, you likely have me on ignore now, but I will try one more time to explain my very simple point since you still can't seem to get it. I'll throw spoiler tags to save space for everyone else.

SPOILER: show

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1. screech is coming from a position that his perspective is correct. This has always been my biggest gripe with him when he goes off onto these tangents. He's the only person on these boards that does it. Literally, the only one. Everyone else seems to get subjective versus objective, at least to some extent. But he can't seem to wrap his head around why someone would think that something someone subjectively likes is objectively bad, and why they would bother critiquing it on a board to discuss these things. It's asinine.

This is not correct, but somehow this is what you keep taking from my posts. I'm not trying to be "correct." You're not actually discussing things, you're being a dick to anyone who likes this gimmick. I am pointing out how ridiculous that is. I've done this in at least two threads with you and you still can't get it.

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2. screech constantly says I ignore his points despite me consistently responding directly to them. "Why would you come here and make fun of something people enjoy?" seems to be the place he keeps returning to, despite me answering this time, and time, and time, and time again. It's interfering with something I enjoy. I am open to people discussing it and saying "I enjoy it." I've given examples of that. Where I jump off is when people say "I enjoy it, therefore it is good." It make be far too logical a way of thinking for some who can't separate themselves from what they enjoy, but..
Well, you do ignore my points, but I'll wrap with that. And you are definitely not okay with people enjoying this. You have said many times that you think this gimmick "kills the business" and lecture everyone who likes it on why he is wrong.

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3. screech constantly makes the implication that my opinion must be wrong if it clashes against the opinions of others. This is a self-defeating argument and one that cannibalizes itself. Wouldn't your subjective opinion be defeated by mine then? Of course not, because it's a one-way street with folks like screech. These are the sort of people who will cry "free speech" and then get upset when someone says "you're wrong." Ironically what you're accusing me of, I guess
This is also incorrect. I have said many times that you can like or dislike anything you want. You just don't need to be a dick to people who disagree with you - which is what you're doing to basically everyone in here. How you have yet to grasp this is silly at this point. We all get that you hate the gimmick. Some people enjoy it, and that's okay.


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My gripe with screech is how he formulates his arguments. His seems to be more based on how I make him feel and a need to try and "get one over" on me. Cool. He can do his thing. I've explained Broken Matt very thoroughly, and I've explained my issues with the substance of his posts. He continues to say I ignore him. Now I will.
The problem is you're constantly "talking down to me" for not getting your point - when you address points I'm not making.

I don't know if you're not getting it, or just willfully ignoring it now, but my entire point is that you can like/dislike/talk about whatever you want. You just don't need to be a total dick to anyone who shares a different view. That's all I've been saying.

I'm not sure if you're just not that smart or if you're just being an asshole for the sake of it, but it's really not a hard concept.


Well that was fun!
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:04 PM   #196
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I've discussed many things in this thread and why I think it hurts wrestling. I've explained the usefulness of camp, the sincerity of it, and the damage that ironic subversion can do. I've explained what I think the positives of the gimmick could potentially be. Your accusations that I am just insulting people is a blatant lie. But I will defer to everyone else on that. Have I made my thoughts on why I think this gimmick sucks apparent? If the answer is "yes," then kindly stop with that false point, screech.

I do not ignore your points. I simply don't think your logic makes any sense. I respond to them as best you can. I made the offer to number them so I can reply as directly as you seem to need me to, but you didn't do that, so I replied as best I could. Also, to clarify, if what I think is your first point is wrong (which I believe I have demonstrated it is), then your second point has no bearing anyway. "Why do you do what I'm accusing you of doing but you haven't actually done." Great one.

I can dislike anything I want? Okay. I dislike this gimmick. With a passion. People can disagree with me. #fan does. Again, I'm not the one who resorted to name-calling. Some people enjoy it, and that's okay, but it's still okay for me to not and to make my reasons why. That has been my point all along, and the irony you don't seem to get. That is why when you say that I'm "talking down to you," I find it funny, because it's a necessity of your stance that only positive opinions are okay, and that comes from the assumption that you are correct, which is actually very obviously you talking down to me.

It's back to "your opinion that my opinion sucks hurts my feelings" point. You're allowed to think my opinion sucks. You're allowed to disagree with me. But don't then turn around and tell me that I am a dick because I don't agree with you. Wtf? That's been my whole problem with you, and only you, because you are the only one who does it, until Seph joined in because I hurt his feelings.

If you want to boil it down to your summary of what you believe your main point to be: I agree. I dislike Broken Matt. I am going to talk about it. It sucks and is the worst thing on WWE TV at the moment. Are you happy? Because that started this whole thing in the first place. Or are you going to betray that it is about more than that? Or is that me being a dick because I don't agree with the people who like it?

Come on, screech. Explain to me how me disliking it is me being a dick to people. Or maybe you'd just prefer to try and sling around the word "cunt" like it means anything to Australians? I'm still waiting for you to turn up that evidence of me actually insulting you or anyone, for that matter, for enjoying it. Belittling the enjoyment? I can see how that gets murky, but I think some things in bad taste should be called out for them. Enjoy them all you want, but you should understand how it gets problematic. I can't, or wouldn't, take away anyone's personal enjoyment of something -- it's not my place or within my power -- but I will challenge the validity of those stakes. There's nothing wrong with that, as you just agreed.
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Holy shit. I really don't think you can comprehend what words mean, but I don't know how to make this any clearer.

I have never said you can't have/express an opinion, and I'm not sure why you keep attributing that to me. My "logic" is you're being a dick to people who like the gimmick because you hate it (we all understand that), and it doesn't make sense to me why you're investing so much time bitching at people who enjoy what they're watching. That's it.

I have no idea why this is so difficult for you to grasp.
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Holy shit. I really don't think you can comprehend what words mean, but I don't know how to make this any clearer.

I have never said you can't have/express an opinion, and I'm not sure why you keep attributing that to me. My "logic" is you're being a dick to people who like the gimmick because you hate it (we all understand that), and it doesn't make sense to me why you're investing so much time bitching at people who enjoy what they're watching. That's it.

I have no idea why this is so difficult for you to grasp.
But that's literally what I just responded to (which is what you say I ignore). Why are you even making it a thing if I'm just expressing an opinion? You're saying "A is fine; just not B." Then I do A and you say "Don't do B." If your whole thing is that you just think I'm a dick, that's fine, but again, I appeal to you: Where have I done B and not A? Do I need to stop at saying "Nah, not for me?" Is it a dick thing when you explain why it's not and why it's bad?

The only conclusion I can draw is that you get to decide what makes a dick, and I'm fine being a dick, but I think it makes you a dick if you think you get to decide that, which is what my point has been the entire time, and why it bothers me when you say things like I'm "talking down" or on a "high horse." You have to be to have the point you have, and it's that god damn irony that bothers me most, because I'm fairly certain you're the biggest dick in this thread. You're the only person that can be demonstrably proven to have a opinion that they think trumps everyone else's. I'll contest mine against others, but you actually think yours is better.

It's so fucking annoying and the only reason I'm engaging with you so much is because that kind of ego is like a pimple that just won't pop, haha. It's seriously one of my most despised qualities in people. Like when someone says "Such and such is so selfish for not coming to my birthday." The irony -- it's that fucking irony.
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