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Old 04-09-2018, 06:38 AM   #1801
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Old 04-09-2018, 07:52 AM   #1802
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Watched the Jazz vs Lakers game instead. Probably not going to watch the show except for Lesnar vs Reigns
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:37 AM   #1803
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Seems he's the son of a WWE ref if F4W's Bryan Alvarez is correct.


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Old 04-09-2018, 08:39 AM   #1804
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Would be funny if Braun grabbed the wrong kid.
That would be awesome. Just toss a random kid into the ring. Also, his opponents get the wrong script and start beating the shit out of said child.
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:42 AM   #1805
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My star ratings...

Miz/Rollins/Balor - *** 1/2
Auska/Charlotte - *** 3/4
Orton/Mahal/Rusev/Roode - **
Ronda & Angle/HHH & Steph - ****
Brothers/Uso's/New Day - **
Styles/Nakamaura - *** 1/2
Braun/The Bar - *
Roman/Brock - ***

Edit. I totally forgot about Shane & Bryan/KO & Sami - **

Double Edit. Also forgot Nia/Alexa - ** 1/2
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:44 AM   #1806
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Complete bullshit for Daniel Bryan. Well not "complete"... it was just not as exciting as it could've been. The end result is all that matters. Booking an injury to start the match was a crowd killer, horrible move. I'd have preferred that Bryan never even tagged in Shane and just totally squashed both guys instead of that poor attempt at mega heat. The match already had mega heat!
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:57 AM   #1808
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I am so glad to be wrong about Kurt Angle, he looked SO MUCH better than he did in his matches last year. He was back to old form almost. Looking forward to more now. Truly think he might've been on Xanax or something the first matches back. Not like he was abusing them or something but maybe his nerves were out of whack. He did great last night.

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Old 04-09-2018, 09:01 AM   #1809
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Also the ATGBR finish was botched due to commentary but still a good angle that I popped for. I am also happy for Matt getting a "big win" of sorts. A win lol. Plus to see Wyatt do something different is paramount for his career so I am excited. **

The Womens Battle Royal was a blur to me, and rightfully came to Sasha and Bailey, but lets be real that was the stiffest Ass shot tot he grill in history! Wow Naomi really laid it in with the ass. I love Naomi so I was happy. **

Cruiserweight was over the top. Stop with the scene work. They were pulling Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels shit but I didn't give a crap about them. Ali didn't look as strong as I thought he would and Cedric was really great, bad scene work aside. ***
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:12 AM   #1810
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Nakamaura's entrance though, one of my favorite ever.
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:14 AM   #1811
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Ronda Rousey all over tv at the airport this morning, well done WWE
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:14 AM   #1812
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:15 AM   #1813
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:25 AM   #1814
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I watched Angle & Rousey vs. Triple H & Steph. Produced about as well as it could have been. Odd to see the right people treated as the stars. Triple H was kind of hamming it, but at least he showed up. Angle looked better than I expected him too. There's something...awkward about watching him wrestle, but he was also fucking there. Ronda did a great job. Fuck's sake, she threw herself around. Great strength. Crowd fell for it. She works.

I also watched AJ vs. Nakamura. I thought it was great. As someone who gets annoyed at the indy style of kicking out of everything like it requires some skill, I enjoyed what they tried to do here. AJ was the confident champion and started off really strong. Nakamura got some back, but then Styles managed to get into the leg. It taxed Nakamura's offense and his finisher being scouted led to him getting beaten in a cool finish. I don't really know what people's problem is. I can't remember the last Mania title match I actually enjoyed more. I liked Bryan's moment at WrestleMania XXX, but this was a better match. I think you'd have to go back to Cena/Michaels, but I wasn't invested in Cena at the time, so I didn't bite on that.

The one thing I really wished it had was better commentary. Corey Graves tries really hard, and Tom Phillips seems to fancy himself; but it really could have used someone like JR -- someone that can bite into a story. The commentary we got felt a lot more superficial. And when Nakamura turned, it really could have used JR ranting about sportsmanship and how disgusted he was with Shinsuke. The silence is just annoying.

After seeing the turn, I have come around on it. He came alive for it. The yelling at Styles in Japanese. I feel it fit his desperation in the match too. He had this almost whiny tone that I think played into it well. I think his performance will really come alive through it. It's a shame that the WWE can't get that right with babyfaces from the start. I mean, Nakamura was getting cheered by the idiots at ringside already. But I'm hoping this is like Daniel Bryan's 2011/2012 heel stint. It's surprisingly entertaining after a disappointing face run that makes people talk about how they don't really have it, but then they come alive and before too long they are confident babyfaces and people love them. I felt like it helped with the "smart fans" in attendance at Mania, and I think it will help with Joe Casual who probably "didn't get the hype."

Plus, it gives them a reason to do more matches. That's fine with me, because as I said, I think the people talking like this flopped are fucking insane. That was easily a ***1/2 star match to me. And I mean that on a scale that goes up to **** and hasn't been blown out. It nearly did everything I want a match in that position to do. I dunno, I kind of liken it to Angle vs. Benoit from WrestleMania X-7. Far from their best outing, but some good actual wresting to kick off a series.
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:25 AM   #1815
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Was not big on layout of the Bryan tag match. Injury angle is lazy booking. Maybe they were just trying to protect him.
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:26 AM   #1816
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Damn no Raw for you?

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Old 04-09-2018, 09:28 AM   #1817
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Meltzer is reporting that Strowman and Nicholas will be dropping the tag titles tonight as Nicholas has already gotten himself some backstage heat for refusing to eat his vegetables.
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I'm curious to see how Nakamura plays The Tortured Artist on SmackDown. Is he darker? Is he the same guy just bitter? Does he wear a sweet suit and speak exclusively in Japanese? Does he have a certain advocate that I think could add a lot his presentation? Building on the "This will be my day one" thing, I can see Heyman doing a "Day 3: Shinsuke Nakamura is dissatisfied with the criticism leveled at him by fans that could never achieve what he has achieved..." running calendar kind of promos. But I don't know if Heyman...helps guys these days. It's tricky. Maybe he's better off just being an asshole on his own.
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:29 AM   #1819
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Was not big on layout of the Bryan tag match. Injury angle is lazy booking. Maybe we're just trying to protect him.
Ya. Figured he just isn't in shape to do the entire match. They already did the cant wait for a tag with Ronda so this was probably there was of keeping his in ring production shorter.
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Was not big on layout of the Bryan tag match. Injury angle is lazy booking. Maybe they were just trying to protect him.
I dunno, I wouldn't put it past them, but if they're concerned about Bryan, why use him? I mean, if he's cleared, he's cleared. And an apron bomb spot is probably not the safest way to do that anyway. I wonder if he is in "ring shape?" It was probably honestly just manufactured heat.
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Damn no Raw for you?

Did you go with anyone? Thinking of going to Mania next year.
Good seats to WM meant no RAW for me

Saw Takeover w Poit

Went to WM w/ one of my best friends who is from New Orleans...last time I went to 32 I went alone tho and that was still fun too
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Rambling short: I'm glad Ronda Rousey did well and AJ Styles vs. Shinsuke Nakamura was fucking sick in the most quaint of ways, and I want to see their next match.
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:38 AM   #1823
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Can you do a Meltzer scale match ratings of the live show?
Ronda was MOTN...in her debut

Asuka/Charlotte runner up, great

IC title next best, also great

DBry winning best moment

Taker's send-off (I assume) next best moment

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Just finished Mania

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Just finished Mania. There was nothing there really, other than the main event, nothing stunk, but nothing really stood out either.


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lmao @ the crowd working itself. Beautiful
How did they work themselves? They got what they wanted and just had to sit through a shitty match to get there.
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Nakamaura's entrance though, one of my favorite ever.
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Just finished Mania. There was nothing there really, other than the main event, nothing stunk, but nothing really stood out either.




How did they work themselves? They got what they wanted and just had to sit through a shitty match to get there.


It felt like during the match, they were shitting on it because they thought they knew who was gonna win and almost ruined that match, mostly for themselves since they paid money to be there. Either way, the finish got a pop and it saved that match.
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It felt like during the match, they were shitting on it because they thought they knew who was gonna win and almost ruined that match, mostly for themselves since they paid money to be there. Either way, the finish got a pop and it saved that match.
The 4 beach balls also got a pop. Brock winning got a "hey, Roman didn't win!" small pop because no-one really cared for part-time Lesnar either. Just a badly booked, boring to watch main event.
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This is the first time the crowd chants actually bugged me
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Didn't really care for the IC match and thought it was going to be better.

I really liked the US match and Jinder winning did shock me, but I like Jinder.

Really glad Asuka lost, was getting tired of her. Now she can actually do something instead of just be promoted as this undefeated monster. Match was pretty good but I could care less about the women.

Ronda match was real entertaining. She looked good in the ring and so did Kurt. HHH could be doing better things on the card though in my own opinion. Stephanie really did a great job selling the moment at the end.

Both tag matches could have been better and probably suffered from the long show. Wasn't entertained by the kid at all.

AJ/Nakamura was a good match, it didn't live up to their Tokyo Dome match but the turn leaves that possibility still on the table. Didn't see that turn coming at all but I liked it.

Main event was pretty good. Lesnar winning was a shock. I'm thinking some type of co WWE UFC deal or something.

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I'm inclined to say that this was, like, the second or third best Mania of the past decade.

Unfortunately though, that's a very low bar to jump over.

Still enjoyed the show though and don't feel as though I'd completely wasted my time as I did watching the slogs that were 32 and 33.
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The 4 beach balls also got a pop. Brock winning got a "hey, Roman didn't win!" small pop because no-one really cared for part-time Lesnar either. Just a badly booked, boring to watch main event.
I dunno man, every time I see Brock on Raw or on PPV he gets a pretty good reaction. He didn't tonight because everyone thought they knew Brock was just gonna drop the title and leave (which was pretty much the story line for this match)

Not to say the match was perfect or anything, the 6 F-5's were too much.
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She's taking it way better than I did

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after letting it all sink in, Ronda's match stole the show. I am still amazed on how well she moved around the ring for her first match. From the moment she came in, she went after it and didn't seem hesitant. she was full speed. excellent job by her.

Loved the IC Ttitle match and this was probably my second favorite, although if AJ/Shin would of went first, that probably would of been my 2nd fav. I was getting tired by 11 and was doing other things during it.

Loved the heel turn by Shin. The way he kept giving him those kicks/stomps was so disrespectful and made him look like a huge asshole. it came off great on TV. Yelling at him in Japanese was perfect too. This is going to be a great program moving forward. I wonder if his entrance changes now?

I did enjoy both women's matches and actually liked the Bliss match more. To me, the Bliss match had more psychology. I was kind of wondering how they would lay that one out because of the size difference. sometimes it's hard when you have a babyfacve 5 times the size oh a heel. But Bliss going for her eyes and legs worked perfectly. I really enjoyed that.

I thought it was also cool that Asuka showed respect to Charlotte after the match and then in the AJ match, Shinsuke acted like he was and low blowed him. pretty solid.

And then the Bryan match was the other i enjoyed. I didn't mind the injury angle. I kind of had a feeling they'd keep him out a lot. it's whatever. he got the win and a nice reaction, so it's all good. Great to see him back.


Taker/Cena was what is was. I was surprised how good Taker looked. he looked much better then his past few matches. pretty amazing considering his age.


Other then this, I didn't really care for anything else. Lots of comedy and filler. I know Brock and Roman needed to go last as they had such a huge buildup, but the match was sub par. It was just a bunch of F5's and Super man punches and Roman bleeding like a stuck pig. It was very shocked Brock won though. I couldn't believe it. Makes me think Roman is turning heel now, which should of happened a long time ago.


Fun event overall. I'll probably watch the Ronda match again later
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Ronda was definitely the most entertaining match. I was shocked how smooth she was in the ring and also by the charisma she displayed.

Both women's title matches were also highly entertaining. I thought they shouldve switched spots on the card, but no complaints about either one other than Alexa losing.

IC title match was a great way to kick off the show. US Title match was ok, but other than Rusev I am not a fan of anyone else in that match.

Overall an entertaining show for one of the few ppvs I watch anymore.
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Pre-show stuff was trash and the men's battle royal was jobber central.

IC title match was a bit flat, although I am hoping Rollins can elevate the title. Think he has been underused recently.

Smackdown tag titles probably could have been off the card, but did what it set out to do. No complaints apart from New Day being super annoying and stale.

Asuka lost to best female. She is awesome and should recover. Whole honour thing made her look so classy in defeat too and Charlotte looked like a star. Love both of them.

Think Bliss was a great heel, but Nia sucks. She looks slow and lumbers around. It's ok to have different body types, it's not OK to fat shame or make anyone feel bad, but she looks unhealthy. Not great.

US match was badly put together. Would have been better served having a decent feud between just two of these guys. Jinder seems to be improving with time and has a better presentation now. His crazy initial push did him a disservice. If he had gradually move up the card, I don't think people would have minded.

Bryan looks awesome and should have one of the shows built around him now.

Rousey looked awesome and should be a genuine star for the company.

AJ and Nakamura pushed forward a story. I am a fan of any kind of story these days, so good they have something to go on now.

Reigns is shite and pulls down everything he is involved with. Shit character, shit attire, shit music, shit personality, shit mic work, and even his in ring stuff has become repetitive and insecure. Lesnar can be lazy, but he has been brought down by Roman. Hoping he can recover and maybe move into something with Bryan that excites him.

All in all, it was a good watch. Strange at times, nothing super compelling outside of Ronda match (which HHH and Angle deserve massive credit for), but it was inoffensive and an easy enough watch.

Hoping we get big changes at the top of the card now and something compelling. An arrogant, snide Roman is way to go. Let's hope we get it
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To the people flipping out about Nicholas, it's not like the kid got offense in or anything. It was basically Braun winning a handicap match. I understand that it was frustrating to not have a great surprise partner like we all would have enjoyed, but it's not as bad as some people are making it out. It's strange. It's bizarre. But it didn't "end pro wrestling" or whatever.
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Lesnar, Vince, and Roman apparently got into it according to douchebag extraordinaire, Ryan Satin. Apparently Lesnar went off script.
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This show made me realize how much I truly miss pyro.
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