01-17-2017, 03:25 AM | #121 |
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Yeah they need to establish the "brand" whatever that might end up being. Then there's no reason they can't keep their pieces moving with trades between 205, NXT, and WWEUK. I'd be really interested in Jack Swagger coming into the UK promotion.
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01-17-2017, 05:00 AM | #122 | |
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01-17-2017, 10:23 AM | #123 | |
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Either way, anything which gives more people the opportunity to show what they can do and turn their hobby into something resembling a job is always a good thing. |
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01-17-2017, 03:04 PM | #124 |
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I'll be godamned I actually enjoyed Cole on commentary
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01-17-2017, 03:19 PM | #125 |
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http://www.inquisitr.com/3891452/wwe...n-be-defended/
ICW could becoming to the WWE Network so the UK Championship can be defended while they work on starting their own UK brand. |
01-17-2017, 03:37 PM | #126 |
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Cole's work on the creative black hole that is Monday Night Raw is not indicative of his actual ability as a wrestling announcer. In my opinion he was always gold on SmackDown with Tazz, JBL, Foley, etc. Move someone to Raw and start having Vince yelling in your headset and forcing lines to the audience and anybody will sound like a bad announcer.
Cole was great on this and also the Japan Network special last year. |
01-17-2017, 03:46 PM | #127 | |
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01-18-2017, 05:17 PM | #128 |
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https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxsp...817%3Famp=true
HHH talking about possibly having a women's tournament this summer. |
01-18-2017, 05:37 PM | #129 |
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01-18-2017, 05:41 PM | #130 |
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Well either way, don't tell him. I wouldn't want to make trouble for the nurses in the care home once he gets all riled up.
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01-19-2017, 09:17 AM | #131 | |
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Amount is said to be $50k a year. |
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01-19-2017, 02:26 PM | #132 | |
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01-19-2017, 06:02 PM | #133 | |
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Then again don't know how much money ICW spends in expenses and stuff so maybe its a pretty hefty deal for them in the end. |
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01-19-2017, 08:54 PM | #134 | |
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WWE already starting to get wrestlers pulled from indie events because of certain promotions having ties with FloSlam.
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01-20-2017, 03:08 AM | #135 | |
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The thing is, if WWE is getting multiple promotions on a similar deal, all they need is five and suddenly it's a $250,000 a year bet for three years. For the indies that are signed, I think they must feel that exposure is worth it and in lieu of a TV deal (which ICW or PROGRESS will never get unless they change their content), it's the only real way to do it. |
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01-20-2017, 06:56 AM | #136 |
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I also can't see many people buying the Network to get access to UK indies so I'm not surprised the initial outlay is small.
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01-20-2017, 07:17 AM | #137 | |
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I think NXT taking off as a touring brand has forced their hand on this as it's not great for development. With these deals, they can have content with the guys they sign, have them develop naturally on the indies and have NXT be the ultimate indie fed it's turned into as a polishing ground for the main roster. I doubt they'll make their money back directly with these deals, but it means they can start developing new talent for only $20,000 a year per wrestler and have another tier to their system and more content on the network. Apparently this is all HHH and Vince is just signing off the costs, so we'll see if he can pull it off. |
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01-20-2017, 07:19 AM | #138 |
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Looks like they're already blocking dates and throwing their weight around though. Pete Dunne V Riddle is off IPW's stream and Dunne will be on the pre-show instead. Some of the contracted guys have just been pulled off of a podcast too....
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01-20-2017, 04:14 PM | #139 |
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Spoke to one of the writers of my local indie as he's also a barman. They get some of the bigger names in the UK, like Jimmy Havoc is there in the Feb event, but they're really worried about this. They have no TV or streaming as they're small, but they've been growing every year so if these contracts take off and WWE aren't interested in picking them up, then what? The cream talent will be locked to these WWE deals.
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01-20-2017, 06:30 PM | #140 | |
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I don't really care if people like Cornette or not. I'm not his fucking keeper and he's done way too much in professional wrestling for a few backyard marks to tear down his work. But what fucking pisses me off to no end is the lack of god-damn comprehension of what he actually says. It's incredible to me. The guy will say "The sky is blue" and people will take photos on a cloudy day and post it on his wall and say "SEE!". He criticizes Omega as a human being (actually KNOWING him, unlike most fans) and says that whilst being a great athlete the match with Okada was not a perfect match and he couldn't give a shit because fuck Kenny Omega, and the responses are "He can't even say one nice thing," "I guess you can't have Match of the Year if you made a mistake ten years ago," and "Cornette is so out of touch." None of those actually respond to the points he actually fucking made. It's the stupidity against Cornette. I've been racking my brain trying to work out why everyone looks so fucking stupid when they hurl the straw-men out and it finally dawned on me: They sound fucking stupid because a lot of the time they are taking up a losing position right from the start because Cornette is right. It confuses people when he says something like "Sami Zayn is a good talent, but a pain in the ass to work with and couldn't understand that you don't jump through a ladder on the second match on the card because it makes the boys going on after him have to work that much harder to follow it" so they have to say things like "Cornette said Zayn likes skinning kittens and will never make it as a professional wrestler in the WWE ever because he's ginger and a Muslim." You don't have to like Cornette -- I don't agree with him on EVERYTHING. I think Titus O'Neil should be kicked out of wrestling before Kenny Omega on the basis of being the drizzling shits, for example -- but for God's sake try and rationalize what you are saying and respond to what he actually says. Not what you imagine the tone around what he is saying could be paired with on a different day if it weren't coming from one of the best minds in professional wrestling history. The straw-men and generalizations are just annoying at this point. "He's out of touch." No, you are off point, you fucking morons. Saying someone is "out of touch" contains no actual evidence or supportive arguments. It's like saying "The President is stupid." Okay. Why? And every single spotfest mark that is asked that question can never answer with anything other than "He's stuck in the 80's" or "Well, he doesn't like Kenny Omega, The Young Bucks, Kevin Owens or Sami Zayn." All of which have been dismissed as conclusive points. The very best one I've heard is the ROH argument. I recommend listening to his shoot about that. He denies being the actual booker, and while that is true, it's naive to think that he didn't have pull and power. And Cornette talks as if he did anyway. But he points out a lot of the structural problems ROH faced. That being said, it was a directional change from ROH that perhaps didn't feel necessary to fans at the time. He was not the guy to run that place. He'd do much better in an NXT, which is basically Smoky Mountain Wrestling with good production value, and where the fans are marks for what they are seeing (whatever they're seeing) and not for a certain cult style. Anyway, rant over. I just wanted to respond to the anti-intellectualism I perceive to be thrown Cornette's way -- with his big words and sentences that are hard to follow. |
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01-20-2017, 06:31 PM | #141 |
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These expansion plans should have short-term positive effects on the UK scene, but once the WWE cherry-picks what they want after cultivating it for a bit, it could eventually dry up and be quite barren.
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01-20-2017, 06:40 PM | #142 |
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The thing with ICW and Progress is that they would never get a TV deal in a million years, because their content is aimed at adults. For them, even short term exposure is probably a bonus, but a two tiered indie scene isn't that great.
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01-20-2017, 06:40 PM | #143 |
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And I mean, the president is stupid.
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01-20-2017, 06:42 PM | #144 |
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Yes, but you can explain why he is stupid, surely.
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01-20-2017, 06:46 PM | #145 |
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I think the evidence speaks for itself.
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01-20-2017, 06:58 PM | #146 |
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Yeah, okay, you got me there.
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01-21-2017, 05:39 PM | #147 |
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Dunne vs Bate was really good stuff. Just wish Bate sold the shoulder a bit more and wasn't nailing t bone suplexes and shit but FUCK me he cold cocked Dunne with one of the best worked punches I've EVER seen.
I also hate the near fall syndrome. I honestly wish it was a touch more realistic with near falls. But that's me being nitpicky because everyone does it. |
01-21-2017, 06:11 PM | #148 |
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Corny loved it. :-o
I guess he only hates people who lie to him and shit on the business. Smokey Mountain is one of the only times he could have enough considered out of touch. He was trying to keep the old way alive. It was a great promotion though. Rus so is a piece of shit who created a real fight tournament just to shut Bradshaw up. Winner of Brawl4All Joey Styles. |
01-21-2017, 07:10 PM | #149 |
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He told them to stay away from video games though. Clearly he's never seen ATTACK
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01-21-2017, 11:32 PM | #150 |
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I was really impressed with Pete Dunne , Wolfgang, Joseph Connors and Tyler Bate. The others were pretty good but those 4 above are the ones that i look forward to seeing more of.
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01-21-2017, 11:35 PM | #151 |
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GO Team Rocket!
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01-22-2017, 08:57 AM | #152 |
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This thread needs more Trent love
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01-22-2017, 07:25 PM | #153 |
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01-22-2017, 07:45 PM | #154 | |
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Love Attack! Pro Wrestling. They do a lot of stuff near me so pretty much how I've got interested in the British Indy scene. Think Pete Dunne is one of the owners so hope he stays involved. |
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01-22-2017, 07:45 PM | #155 |
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I doubt anyone will be THAT bored that they'll click on that
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01-23-2017, 03:53 AM | #156 |
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01-23-2017, 05:12 AM | #157 |
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01-23-2017, 11:52 AM | #158 |
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01-23-2017, 12:41 PM | #159 |
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Meltz is saying a few of the UK guys might be in the Rumble. Good exposure for them and their UK plans.
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01-23-2017, 12:42 PM | #160 |
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Thank Meltz for fucking spoiling shit again. What a dipshit this fucking goof is.
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