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Old 01-07-2018, 12:27 PM   #41
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They could potentially make more over time by taking risks but I get what you mean.l
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:43 PM   #42
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Old 01-07-2018, 05:47 PM   #43
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They could potentially make more over time by taking risks but I get what you mean.l
Yeah, this is true. This is kind of where I am on the whole three-hour thing. "But they get more money for the more time." Yeah, but you take the risk, sharpen the product, bring more people in, increase ratings, PPV buys (when that was a thing), Network subs, and hopefully capita per head. Is it better to fill up an arena and get a 3.0 for a two-hour show where people buy all this merchandise, or is it better to get a 1.0 for a three-hour show where the arenas aren't full and a few people buy some merchandise.

NOTE: This is not an accurate description of current WWE. I think the current per capita is actually quite high, but it's a hyperbolic example. A hot product is going to generate more money than that third hour cooling Raw is.
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Old 01-07-2018, 05:53 PM   #44
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the problem is "taking risks" in Vince's mind is booking HHH to fuck a fake corpse so maybe it's a better idea to stick with the formulaic booking.
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Old 01-07-2018, 05:58 PM   #45
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Formulaic booking would be preferable over corpse-fucking, just as long as the formulae worked.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:10 PM   #46
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I mean as much as we say there's no new stars, it's a means to an end for them right now. They're still profitable as far as I know.

It's awful to watch but it's not catered to us so what can you do?
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:34 PM   #47
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I don't know if there's any guy that has a big match feel in the WWE right now except for Cena. Maybe AJ, but i think his best feud was with Cena.

Brock's value has completely sunk in my opinion. Does anyone really care about this triple threat right now?

So yeah, thank god they have Cena to plug in when needed.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:35 PM   #48
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:42 PM   #49
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Brock's value has completely sunk in my opinion. Does anyone really care about this triple threat right now?
How much of that is down to the opponent(s) though?

Iíve zero interest in Kane competing for one of the top titles in 2018, and I donít see them switching the title to Braun. Iíd sooner Brock just sit at the top of the ramp on an throne watching everyone fight for the chance to face him. That said, itíll probably be Reigns so weíre back to my initial question.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:48 PM   #50
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I mean as much as we say there's no new stars, it's a means to an end for them right now. They're still profitable as far as I know.

It's awful to watch but it's not catered to us so what can you do?
Yeah. I mean, they're expanding. Their profits aren't that wide, considering their expenses, and a shitty TV deal, or lowered attendance and Network subs could very quickly cause them to downsize. But they could get healthy after a bad quarter or two really fucking fast. Bye, bye 205 Live, half the roster, brand split, and second touring schedule.

But I have a feeling they are going to up SmackDown for that third hour, do continued stuff with YouTube and try and get something else on the USA Network. So we'll see.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:49 PM   #51
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Brock beating the piss out of Kane and Braun will hopefully be funny.
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How much of that is down to the opponent(s) though?

I’ve zero interest in Kane competing for one of the top titles in 2018, and I don’t see them switching the title to Braun. I’d sooner Brock just sit at the top of the ramp on an throne watching everyone fight for the chance to face him. That said, it’ll probably be Reigns so we’re back to my initial question.
oh definitely, it all has to do with who they throw at Brock. even though he really hasn't had too many matches in 2017, I feel like he had far too many. I like guys like Somoa Joe and Braun Strowman, but i think they devalued Brock's aura. Plus I hated the Big Show and know Kane feuds. can't stand them anymore.

I did love the AJ match though.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:59 PM   #54
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I think there are a number of factors which have led to less fan issues with Cena over the last few years.

1. Addressing the criticism - We've seen lots of promos in the last couple of years which have seen Cena's opponents openly criticising him for keeping other people down, being a corporate stooge etc. By doing this Cena has actually been able to address this and talk about how much he's gone out and busted his ass etc etc. Doing this means the WWE has been able to openly critique Cena and obviously as a face the intention is for this argument to fall on the sympathetic side to him. Cena also seems to have more room with promos himself, drawing on real life which plays to those Smarter fans who hated him the most.

2. Less Cena - Fans got sick of seeing him in the main event, crushing everyone (who then frequently faded into obscurity) but as he's become a part-timer, he isn't on TV every week and therefore it is much harder to get sick of him. He's also lost a fair few more times recently which again, prevents that fatigue and makes him a bigger attraction as a result.

3. Roman Reigns - Every issue you could complain about with Cena in the late 2000 and early 2010s can be leveled at Reigns, except without the charisma. If fans are going to hate Reigns for these issues, Cena seems comparatively less problematic. Basically, Reigns is worse than Cena in fans mind so he draws the heat instead.

Combine this with Cena being able to show himself in the ring on a couple of occasions and it just means the hate has been able to move away from Cena.

I think he will always be booed to an extent, but it is becoming more out of nostalgia in a 'You Suck'/Kurt Angle way.
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Old 01-07-2018, 08:35 PM   #55
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Yeah, there are a lot of things that have compounded the acceptance issue with Cena.
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