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Old 12-16-2015, 08:33 AM   #521
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It's a discussion forum so we'll discuss his points with him.

THIS is a wrasslin forum, you will wrassle with him. I suggest taking #1 WWF Fan as a tag partner, as he is 1-0 in real life TPWW fights.

The discussion forum is that way -->
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Old 12-16-2015, 09:00 AM   #522
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Would be funny if CyNick and Gertner ended up being the same person.
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Old 12-16-2015, 10:46 AM   #523
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I believe it was the great Gorgeous Dale Newstead who referenced said law.

Fact is, if he's just taking a stance ONLY to play devil's advocate he's still taking the stance. He could be "trolling" all he wants but how are we supposed to know. It's a discussion forum so we'll discuss his points with him.
I enjoy the debate. They are a lot of good people on here with good thoughts. A lot of sheep too. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The trolling accusations are dumb though.
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Old 12-16-2015, 10:47 AM   #524
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An early holiday toast to good business.
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Old 12-16-2015, 12:07 PM   #525
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The trolling accusations are dumb though.
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Old 12-16-2015, 12:08 PM   #526
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Old 12-16-2015, 03:08 PM   #527
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CyNick has been hitting the eggnog quite hard today, I see.
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Old 12-16-2015, 05:22 PM   #528
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I enjoy the debate. They are a lot of good people on here with good thoughts. A lot of sheep too. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The trolling accusations are dumb though.

Agreed on both counts. If it wasn't enjoyable I don't think we would be engaging. Anything that comes across as "ill feelings" is part of the banter and should not be taken as actual ill feelings.
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Old 12-16-2015, 05:25 PM   #529
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Trolls are a bit more extreme than Cynick though. Honestly, the idea that someone is behind the WWE product isn't preposterous enough to refer to them as a troll.

He has a horse in the race... and I would say far more of one than we do because we do not attack his actual opinion, whereas he attacks ours (which I think is the main reason people get annoyed). That's his problem and doesn't really strengthen his argument.

At the end of the day, I'm talk shite about wrassling for hours on end, so it's all cool with me, even when it gets annoying and it isn't so cool anymore.
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Old 12-16-2015, 05:57 PM   #530
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I don't think simply "being behind the product" is the preposterous part of CyNick's... gimmick or whatever. The people who assume he's a troll do so because of how much he ignores things while debating to an troll-like annoying level. And when he does actually acknowledge a point against him, he seems to either blatantly not understand it to a ridiculous level. To the point where it comes off like he's trying to argue despite not having an argument. Which is like... the definition of trolling.

In the other topic, the guy literally told someone they were wrong and then went through a long explanation where he said the exact same thing the other person said. I mean... come on. lol
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:25 PM   #531
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well when he's just being retarded don't get bent out of shape just tell him he's being retarded lol much more satisfying. Pick your battles.
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:28 PM   #532
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I disagree. I think pointing out to him why he's retarded is more satisfying. It puts him in a position of having to come up with another retarded rationalization to ridicule. Keeps the circle going.
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:32 PM   #533
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What is this semi-PC thing you're doing? I don't like it.
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:34 PM   #534
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I like arguing with the CyNick, I'm just not going to bother when he starts spiralling his arguments because he's essentially just a robot at that point and there's no point in engaging. But I think that's just his personality, not nec. him being a troll.
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:42 PM   #535
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At least this incarnation of tnarick isn't posting youtube videos with his fucked up teeth.
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Old 12-16-2015, 08:31 PM   #536
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main thing is I don't care about winning an argument against the CyNick. It's just nice when he chooses to have a conversation vs him talking at us to spout off his on going narrative. So picking apart his posts is kind of pointless.
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I mean useless if you're looking at it as "owning" him.
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Old 12-16-2015, 10:50 PM   #538
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I would love for CyNick to actually have a conversation with me as opposed to just spouting off his ongoing narrative. I long for it. Gives me a boner just thinking about it. How does one go about getting this to happen?
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Old 12-17-2015, 12:20 PM   #539
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This place has a bunch of egg on their face after the last couple days. Looks good on ya.

See you boys in the New Year.
I don't feel the need to retract any of my statements...at all. 2 shows in a wek vs a year in fuck ups,plus if the writers have proven anything is that they know how to derail A good thing. With the WWE I HOPE for the best but expect the worst.
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I still felt that Reigns was being forced. He talked less but was still cracking corny ball jokes. Fell like he took it to far to be given a championship match. It was a good Raw but the parts with Roman and Vince just seemed desperate. Feel like Roman and Dean should be swapped and everything would be a lot better. If Dean was in Romans place on Monday night the place would have been going crazy at the end of the show and the dialogue between him and Vince would have been a lot better.
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I still felt that Reigns was being forced. He talked less but was still cracking corny ball jokes. Fell like he took it to far to be given a championship match. It was a good Raw but the parts with Roman and Vince just seemed desperate. Feel like Roman and Dean should be swapped and everything would be a lot better. If Dean was in Romans place on Monday night the place would have been going crazy at the end of the show and the dialogue between him and Vince would have been a lot better.
Agreed. Ambrose is way more naturally charismatic, a much better actor and seems to be able to cut a much better promo than almost all of the roster, especially Reigns.
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I would love for CyNick to actually have a conversation with me as opposed to just spouting off his ongoing narrative. I long for it. Gives me a boner just thinking about it. How does one go about getting this to happen?
But then why bother trying to own him?
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I still felt that Reigns was being forced. He talked less but was still cracking corny ball jokes. Fell like he took it to far to be given a championship match. It was a good Raw but the parts with Roman and Vince just seemed desperate. Feel like Roman and Dean should be swapped and everything would be a lot better. If Dean was in Romans place on Monday night the place would have been going crazy at the end of the show and the dialogue between him and Vince would have been a lot better.
Yep. I've been championing Dean to take Roman's spot forever I can just imagine the fans going rabid for the the guy wining the belt.

All around he's the better choice why they don't push the guy like crazy is beyond me.
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He has a horse in the race... and I would say far more of one than we do because we do not attack his actual opinion, whereas he attacks ours (which I think is the main reason people get annoyed). That's his problem and doesn't really strengthen his argument.
You got that backwards my good man
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Old 12-17-2015, 04:51 PM   #545
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I would love for CyNick to actually have a conversation with me as opposed to just spouting off his ongoing narrative. I long for it. Gives me a boner just thinking about it. How does one go about getting this to happen?
I'm not above talking to you as a person. This is my thread, one of the most popular threads, so feel free to start a conversation about anything.
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You got that backwards my good man
CyNick, we've made it clear we take no issue with you enjoying the product. We do however take issue with you calling us sheep or implying we are ignorant because we disagree with what you think is your expert analysis.

That's all... my good man

Tho in saying that, I wouldn't have made this thread if a lot of the time it wasn't good banter so just hold back on being an utter blow hard and maybe we'll make some headway.
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I'm not above talking to you as a person. This is my thread, one of the most popular threads, so feel free to start a conversation about anything.
Another one you can avoid responding to at all costs? Either by intentionally responding to an obvious strawman or by backing away completely? Do you really want that? It surely has to make you uncomfortable having to constantly be put in the position of ignoring things that shed light on WWE's shit booking so much that you can't come up with even a bad rationalization for and have to just hope no one else notices you awkwardly side-stepping. Is there some reason I should expect that you can suddenly actually have a rational conversation?
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Because really, I could just go back and re-post all the things you've avoided. Your history has shown that would probably be pointless though.
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I don't think Cynick cares as much about WWE's product as much as he cares about his narrative on the internet wrestling community.
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Well that's unfortunate.
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Like I said to the people who think he's a troll... I'm sure there are people who think and try to rationalize the way CyNick does. And I'm sure some of those people are part of the IWC. So it's completely possible that he's just one of those people. So without evidence one way or the other, you gotta just give him the benefit of the troll doubt. But there are times where I'm seriously like "Even some silly 'troll-like' rationalization would suffice as opposed to not being able to come up with anything at all. At least keep the dialogue going."
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Because really, I could just go back and re-post all the things you've avoided. Your history has shown that would probably be pointless though.
You're acting like a fan who is waiting in a large group to see a celebrity, the celebrity signs 25 autographs and misses 10 people because he had somewhere to be. One or two people in the group of 10 think he's an asshole now.

I have made points that go unresponded to because people have no response, I don't complain about it. I always have a response. You just don't always like my response, so you make a wild accusation about how I'm creating an unfair argument or something. Strawman or whatever, I don't even know what that means.

Sometimes when you have my level of popularity you can't win.
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I don't think Cynick cares as much about WWE's product as much as he cares about his narrative on the internet wrestling community.
I love the product. Im not a self loathing Internet fan. I don't hate those people who are, but i don't think highly of them or their leadership group.
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CyNick, we've made it clear we take no issue with you enjoying the product. We do however take issue with you calling us sheep or implying we are ignorant because we disagree with what you think is your expert analysis.

That's all... my good man

Tho in saying that, I wouldn't have made this thread if a lot of the time it wasn't good banter so just hold back on being an utter blow hard and maybe we'll make some headway.
If i can convince even one person to stay off the dirt sheets, it will be considered well worth it.

For the record, I have never slammed someone for an opinion. I slam people who think they have facts when they don't.
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I remember a few years ago when I was vehemently anti-"dirt sheet" (it's not 1989 and you aren't working for Bill Watts mate) and thought I couldn't be any more "clued in". Then I became aware of how naive that was.
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Everyone has to go on their own journey. Eventually you come to realize they are hacks and not very professional. But at the end of the day, they are not trying to be professional journalists, anymore than Ray Traylor was trying to be a good police officer in WWE.
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He arrested Nailz and also drove away with Big Show's dad.

THose are both things a good cop does. He gets an A+
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I always have a response. You just don't always like my response, so you make a wild accusation about how I'm creating an unfair argument or something. Strawman or whatever, I don't even know what that means.

Sometimes when you have my level of popularity you can't win.
Alright, I'm leaning more toward troll. The little nuances are becoming less nuanced.
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Either way, when you obviously avoid tons of shit that works too much against your narrative (usually within posts you're replying to or making direct references to later, so "I missed it" doesn't work) and your only response when called out on it is "No I don't. OTHER PEOPLE have no response." you're either trolling or you're not quite all there and you are unreasonable beyond repair. It's like standing in a field with a hundred people looking up and saying the sky is blue while one guy is like "No it isn't!". I mean... it's clear for everyone else to see but if you're gonna argue, it's probably hopeless to talk to you whether you're serious or not. Probably best to just let the obvious speak for itself while you close your eyes, plug your ears and convince yourself you're pwning everyone.
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