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01-11-2018, 07:38 PM | #1642 |
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Fox buying a good thing or bad thing?
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01-11-2018, 07:49 PM | #1643 |
boop/bop/beep
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Cena versus Undertaker will be awful
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01-11-2018, 08:53 PM | #1644 |
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Depends. FOX has a stronger tv reach than USA Network but would also be owning a product with weaker viewer appeal than UFC. Also depends which network of theirs gets the WWE since regular FOX has a much larger base than FS1 but has to deal with local news demands while FS1 viewership might not be fond of having WWE mixed with pro sports.
Also possibly they could be like AOL was to WCW and be a lot less forgiving or hands-off if WWE keeps struggling with viewers. They already have shows doing a lot better than RAW/Smackdown so WWE loses a big advantage there. |
01-11-2018, 10:03 PM | #1645 | |||||||||||||||||
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01-11-2018, 11:57 PM | #1646 | |
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01-12-2018, 08:43 AM | #1647 |
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01-12-2018, 09:35 AM | #1648 |
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The Jocephus story has been pretty decent. I hope he beats Storm.
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01-12-2018, 09:01 PM | #1649 | |||||||||||
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01-12-2018, 10:18 PM | #1650 |
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so clearly WWE is going to make sure Braun and Alexa win
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01-16-2018, 10:23 PM | #1651 | ||||||||||||||
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01-17-2018, 12:09 AM | #1652 |
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Why the fuck would anyone want to see Matt Hardy's fucking family on television?
TNA are against Steel Cage PPVs, but not against guys getting fired for winning matches. Wrestling is broken. |
01-18-2018, 10:13 PM | #1653 | ||||||||||||
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01-18-2018, 10:30 PM | #1654 |
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Really interested to see if there's a paper trail with this Reigns stuff. And what happens with Bobby Lashley.
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01-19-2018, 10:05 PM | #1655 | |||||||||||
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01-25-2018, 10:31 AM | #1658 |
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The XFL is coming back.
I wasn't able to watch the first season as a) I live in Britain; and b) I was 15 so didn't get a say. Now it is coming back with more forethought, planning, care and easier access, I'm inclined to check it out. As a side note, with WWE owning all of the WCW names and trademarks, would they call their version of the Superbowl the Superbrawl? |
01-25-2018, 10:13 PM | #1659 | |||||||||||||||||||
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01-25-2018, 10:26 PM | #1660 |
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ugh... Vince really wants Philly and New Orleans to burn to the ground in the next 3 months doesn't he?
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01-30-2018, 02:08 PM | #1662 |
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The news of USA Network actually making more revenue if they dropped WWE is fascinating and potentially huge. I mean, that's quite shocking. Watch those Network subs too. Not a "sky is falling" post. I imagine that their subs are going to sit around the same mark and nothing changes with the stock price. But the TV thing is interesting. Things were looking really great for them with the FOX news, but if you're a suit, you'd be a fool not to look into that revenue information.
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01-30-2018, 05:01 PM | #1663 |
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Normally, that shouldn't be possible considering RAW and Smackdown prop up the network a lot for viewers and rankings but USA Network still has a net negative for ad revenues and still can't get really good paying advertisers to join up without NBC's help.
Was a lot easier for NBC to drop WWE programming from their network since they already have shows that do better than WWE's for prime time and for ad generating. |
01-30-2018, 06:03 PM | #1664 |
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That's scary. Having those viewers should translate into revenue. That it doesn't really doesn't make the WWE an appealing product. This sounds very similar to when Nitro was getting great ratings compared to other things in 2001, but the company was bleeding money, which is all anyone in that position is going to care about. It's different in the sense that NBC Universal does not own WWE, but that value to advertising is basically the only reason that viewership number means anything.
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01-30-2018, 06:23 PM | #1665 |
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Normally it would but USA Network got way too desperate at wanting to improve RAW.
Gave WWE a 3rd hour for RAW thinking it would be very beneficial to both parties and instead its been a $40 million per year sinkhole for them. Wanted Smackdown to go live as a way to boost their Tuesday rankings and while its been a lot more beneficial, they had to give WWE an extra $50 million outside of the current tv deal to make it happen. With the current tv deal, they had to get NBC involved mainly to help them out with advertisers since they were losing way too much money and struggled to get really good paying ones to join. Right now its expected WWE is going to get at least a 30% increase with their new tv deal which still won't put them anywhere near NASCAR-like levels (around $600-$800 million per year) but way better than they ever did before (around $250-$260 million projected). |
01-30-2018, 06:32 PM | #1666 |
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But why would NBC pay more? That made sense to me with decreased viewership but them still being one of the most viable properties USA has in a dying cable industry, but with it being an allegedly detrimental relationship, you'd probably better off running Psych re-runs.
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01-30-2018, 06:39 PM | #1667 |
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That third hour's always been detrimental. I know they get paid for it, but when it affects viewership and basically means fewer eyeballs are going to be seeing that time you're feeling, it makes you less effective for the bottom-line. If you're WWE, at some point getting that wheelbarrow of money for a third hour or a live show doesn't stretch to what you're missing by having a more viable product. But given how boring and shit SmackDown has been, losing that hour is not necessarily going to help Raw.
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01-30-2018, 06:56 PM | #1668 | |
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01-30-2018, 06:59 PM | #1669 |
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I get the particulars of what you're saying, but why? Who in the USA Network exeuctive board is saying "You know, WWE makes us nothing off advertising and costs us money, so let's pay them more this cycle instead of less or just getting rid of their taboo asses"? The narrative has always been that WWE might be decreasing in terms of viewership and numbers, but has always been one of the most watched cable shows around, therefore making it a viable property. For it to come out that it's a money pit for the network is just...weird.
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01-30-2018, 07:29 PM | #1670 |
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Funny thing is I think the head of USA Network is actually a big supporter of the WWE and played a big role in getting WWE back after Spike TV was no longer interested.
Also was the one who pushed for RAW to get a 3rd hour and Smackdown being live regardless of the costs for the network. |
01-30-2018, 07:35 PM | #1671 |
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At some point it's a case of "What have you done for me lately," though. Bonnie Hammer's not there. The ratings and viewership were cute at the start, but at some point that needs to translate into revenue, or it's a case of "we're not going to pay you hundreds of millions more to be down $60 million" or whatever. Surely. That's how money works, right? At some point a hot-shot young executive looking to build their stock in the company is going to come in and say "Um, guys. I can save us millions and millions by just cutting out this WWE crap no one wants to watch anymore."
Loyalty might extend to the point that they don't replace Raw or SmackDown with other wrestling, which it is possible to theorize that people would still watch out of habit and you can realistically pay a lot, lot less for, but I don't think that's the same as willingly running at a deficit because Vince McMahon was useful to you in 1993. In fact, USA has dropped them before. It's not inconceivable that it's a pragmatic possibility again. |
01-30-2018, 07:46 PM | #1672 |
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I need to engage with these numbers more. I've always been led to believe that although ad revenue from WWE is comparatively low to things with that viewership, it was still making them money. Am I wrong in assuming that ad revenue is basically how the USA Network makes its money. I'm just trying to wrap my head around why they would pay the WWE more money to keep its television afloat with diminishing returns.
Is it because that withdrawing financial support is going to stifle the product even more? If so, that's a pretty good reason to kind of resent the WWE, haha. You're locked in a dance with no real positive outcome, because it's not realistic to assume that the WWE is just going to start turning in more ad revenue. Is the idea that it's a long-term investment by the USA Network to prop them up and challenge the idea that wrestling can't advertise? Is there some sort of money-making element I am missing? Is there some way that the WWE makes money for USA that isn't through ads? Is there something about ad revenue without much viewership > viewership without ad revenue that I'm confusing? |
01-30-2018, 10:33 PM | #1673 | |||||||||||||
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01-30-2018, 11:09 PM | #1674 |
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Very interested to see how these TV negotiations go.
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01-31-2018, 11:31 PM | #1676 |
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I hope the USA Network tells the WWE to "Get the F Out." I want change, dammit.
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02-01-2018, 10:35 AM | #1677 |
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Big surprise that someone with major attitude problems didn't get signed to WWE. Tessa has the same issues her Dad Tully did years ago.
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02-01-2018, 09:34 PM | #1679 |
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