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Old 04-26-2022, 02:54 PM   #3721
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Maybe if AEW would focus more within and stop acknowledging WWE so much, they'd build a self sustaining culture. They should memo everyone to please stop talking about WWE unless they are being nice to their friends on Twitter or whatever.
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Old 04-26-2022, 03:05 PM   #3722
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focusing on WWE doesn't really matter. They just need to stop catering strictly to smarks. That doesn't mean becoming WWE-lite, either. It just means going back to the basics of good pro wrasslin, seen frequently when TPWW Watches Classic Wrestling Thursdays at 9.
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Old 04-26-2022, 03:13 PM   #3723
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FTR were on renee's podcast today and discussed this philosophy directly: work viewers by manipulating their emotions, not wowing them with your moveset. they made it sound like putting together that recent match with the briscoes was a great example of that (i haven't seen the match but believe it), while putting together a match with the bucks was more about making sure everyone gets their spots in. that's me reading between the lines, though.
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Old 04-26-2022, 03:19 PM   #3724
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the bucks seem to understand the elements of pro wrestling in all its parts but not as a sum. They can do the moves. They can sell. They can work babyface. They can work heel. Elements of ring psychology show up in their matches.

But they can't do any of it all that cohesively and in a way that makes me view them as anything other than indy guys who got lucky.

Part of it likely is their obsession with "moves," and "getting their shit in," as you said, Ron.
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Old 04-26-2022, 03:22 PM   #3725
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At the end of the day, I'd rather watch a mediocre Steve Austin crowd brawl after he broke his neck than a Young Bucks (that doesn't involve FTR) with every move hit to "perfection." Because Steve Austin was the fucking bees knees, limitations or not. Hell, I'd take a 1986 Hulk Hogan house show main event over a Young Bucks match, because it's honestly just them wanking themselves.

It's similar to how certain guitarists play for the song, and others like to solo to show off how great they are, and it's fucking boring and nobody gives a shit other than the nerds.
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Yes the origins of the "hyper speed" style can be debated and do go back even to Tiger Mask/Dynamite Kid. Regardless of the origins it dominates now. I was really hoping that AEW's "sports presentation" that was mentioned early from Cody (before the TV deal), would bring with it that sense of "kayfabe".

It's almost like AEW has replaced kayfabe with "smarkness". Like to know the internet culture, Meltzer's taste etc... that's who the company caters too and even so much that it's nearly acknowledged on a constant basis.

There is a lot of talent available to do something "else". Freddy Prince Jr still making statements about starting his company. I'd like a show that keeps it simple, kayfabed, with high production values. Slow it down, totally try and teach the audience what wrestling is. Tell us why there are no closed fist punches, use that as a heel maneuver, explain why wrestlers do irish whips and how that isn't a technique used in any other combat sport... make the fakeness and bullshitness of pro wrestling make sense through kayfabe.

This is actually where Tony Schiavonie shines on color, he can make the dumbest shit work in a fayfabe sense. At least enough to suspend your disbelief.

I feel like there is a way using kayfabe to enhance simplistic wrestling so that we don't have constant spot fests and so many tiny guys flip flopping around.

I like to see a company come along that can become financially successful without feeling the need to take over the world. Just be a successful company with a strong fan base. If a TV deal is pressuring you constantly to be as big as WWE, then don't take that deal. There are plenty of ways to get a show over it doesn't have to be on cable TV anymore.
Agreed. The NWA is trying to do that, and it’s the most enjoyable product out there (in my opinion), but it’s in such a state that it can’t really get that footing it needs to not look rinky dink.
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Old 04-26-2022, 04:37 PM   #3727
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This doesn’t help. It’s off-putting to some, but it also firmly plants their feet in counter-culture. They need the WWE to respond to. Without that, they don’t really have an identity.
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Old 04-26-2022, 04:41 PM   #3728
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Think about how many of your friends and family like watching movies. There are some who will know the really big actors and such. But how many people can tell you who directed The Avengers films? How many people can tell you the name of the actor who plays the woman in SHIELD? How many refer to her as “Robyn from How I Met Your Mother?”

There’s this assumption that wrestling fans are interested in this giant backstage network of information and drama. Some people actively don’t want wrestling to be anything more than wrestler A wrestling wrestler B without it being any more arcane than that.
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Old 04-26-2022, 04:53 PM   #3729
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Embarrassing.

That is what they get for not featuring Chad Gable. Those 30k people will no doubt be tuning into Dynamite this week. There’s no coming back from that kind of mistake.
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Old 04-26-2022, 06:21 PM   #3731
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Did people freak out whenever WWE would mention AEW on TV?

AEW being so much less significant than WWE, shouldn’t that have been much more egregious and bush league than AEW mentioning a brand that has been synonymous with the very form of entertainment they’re producing for decades?
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Old 04-26-2022, 07:39 PM   #3732
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If I could recall them mentioning AEW on TV. The only references I can really think of are like when Seth mentioned Mox in a promo. I vaguely recall someone taking a shot at them without explicitly saying so once too but not who it was....maybe Pat? Regardless, them even acknowledging that AEW exists is an extremely rare occurence.

fwiw, I don't watch NXT other than takeovers so I dunno if AEW was mentioned there or not during the head-to-head era.

On the other hand, AEW does it constantly and you know it.
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Old 04-26-2022, 08:06 PM   #3733
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I know of a couple off the top of my head. Neither were the ones you mentioned. I also don’t watch the show but I am aware of Sami Zayn mentioning AEW by name on Raw and Triple H taking a direct shot at them in a HOF speech.
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the bucks seem to understand the elements of pro wrestling in all its parts but not as a sum. They can do the moves. They can sell. They can work babyface. They can work heel. Elements of ring psychology show up in their matches.

But they can't do any of it all that cohesively and in a way that makes me view them as anything other than indy guys who got lucky.

Part of it likely is their obsession with "moves," and "getting their shit in," as you said, Ron.
I still need to see that Bucks-FTR match. It’s fascinating how good FTR is at forcing anyone they face into an actual wrestling match.
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Still, these are instances that are very few and far between as opposed to almost every single show where someone has to allude to WWE. I mean ffs they are running a gimmick trying to make fun of WWE. The situations aren't really comparable.
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What gimmick is that?
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Triple H and Shawn Michaels cracking jokes with their friend Billy Gunn about his new employer was lighthearted fun, and it was months before AEW even had their first show. Sami did mention AEW, but it was not a shot at AEW. He was calling the fans out for asking nonsense questions when they could have asked about anything, "even AEW".

So WWE has made a reference to AEW on TV twice (three times if you want to count HHH and HBK each having a joke for Billy), in 3 years. AEW exceeds that quota every single show.

Jericho only has an entire Heel Faction that are Heels simply because of the premise being "We are Sports Entertainers, we beat up Pro Wrestlers".
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The Jericho Appreciation Society is clearly trying to make fun of WWE and you know it Fan lol. I guess I should have said faction instead of gimmick though maybe.
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Holy shit @ #fan trying to make it sound like the WWE comments about AEW are on par with AEW’s about WWE.
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So an arrogant heel using the term “sports entertainer” is the same as mentioning WWE now?
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Holy shit @ #fan trying to make it sound like the WWE comments about AEW are on par with AEW’s about WWE.
Lol I love it when this dumbfuck pretending to have me on ignore still feels the need to comment and completely gets the conversation wrong.
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Cumdorx desperately trying to get his heat back after yesterday’s embarrassment.

Take another leap, Rawtard. The big boys are having a conversation.
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Seph be like...
I knew Punk got embarrassed, but not that bad. Jeez. And yeah, that’s basically appropriate for whenever #fan tries his whataboutisms.
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Old 04-26-2022, 09:31 PM   #3746
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Cumdorx desperately trying to get his heat back after yesterday’s embarrassment.

Take another leap, Rawtard. The big boys are having a conversation.
The embarrassment of me letting you know you wrongly assumed I had you on ignore when I didnt, or the embarrassment of you spamming my Rep wall for a month while I have not paid you any attention?

I am embarrassed guys
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This dude knows I don't read his posts, but I still see a blocked post from him after every post I make.
*Xrod posts a direct response to a post of mine and then quickly deletes it.*

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Now that you’ve confirmed you can see my posts...

xrodmuc316... I am officially challenging you to a real fight.
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xrod seems to have gotten cold feet after my challenge and deleted his post acknowledging that he was reading my posts.

I’d like to request that post be un-deleted.
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Yes, I do click "View Post" to see what you have wrote most of the time.

That embarrassment. The one where I exposed you as a liar again. You forget already?
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The embarrassment of me letting you know you wrongly assumed I had you on ignore when I didnt, or the embarrassment of you spamming my Rep wall for a month while I have not paid you any attention?

I am embarrassed guys
I read your posts. I don’t remember seeing you had him blocked. I have him blocked. And this is where his GOTCHAs have sunk to now. They’re not even about the actual subjects.

I can also see this piece of shit is still using words based on certain ableist language in 2022. Edgelords do that when they’re feeling insecure, lol. Listen to him cut a promo on you too. “Yesterday’s embarrassment…” Projection much?

He. Adds. Nothing. We’re over here trying to have a discussion about actual ratings (snarky or not), and he’s just looking to pick contrarian fights. Say we live on Earth and see what he says.
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That embarrassment. The one where I exposed you as a liar again. You forget already?
Again bro, that was in 2020. 2022 is a while different time

Way to GOTCHA ME in 2020, even though I admitted it in 2020, even though you quoted me where I admitted it in 2020, that STILL doesn't make 2020 become 2022.
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that was me saying I was not going to continue engaging you.
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how is this going for you
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I failed miserably, clearly
Also, you having to basically acknowledge I outsmarted you again. Not that I’m bragging because again, it’s an INCREDIBLY easy thing to do.

If you really wanna get your heat back you should try quoting another old post where so praised John Cena. REALLY got me with that one.
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I read your posts. I don’t remember seeing you had him blocked. I have him blocked. And this is where his GOTCHAs have sunk to now. They’re not even about the actual subjects.

I can also see this piece of shit is still using words based on certain ableist language in 2022. Edgelords do that when they’re feeling insecure, lol. Listen to him cut a promo on you too. “Yesterday’s embarrassment…” Projection much?

He. Adds. Nothing. We’re over here trying to have a discussion about actual ratings (snarky or not), and he’s just looking to pick contrarian fights. Say we live on Earth and see what he says.
It was for a day in 2020, that is the WIN he is talking about
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Two proven liars trying really hard to excuse their lying shithead ways. Sad.
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It was for a day in 2020, that is the WIN he is talking about
Holy fucking shit. Psycho.

Has he actually been able to address what Seph pointed out about how obviously ridiculous it is to make it sound like WWE and AEW are on the level with their shots at one another?
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Also, you having to basically acknowledge I outsmarted you again. Not that I’m bragging because again, it’s an INCREDIBLY easy thing to do.

If you really wanna get your heat back you should try quoting another old post where so praised John Cena. REALLY got me with that one.
LOL outsmarted me by MAKING me reply calling out your incorrect assumption that, and this part is important, that in 2022 I never said I had you on ignore, that you achieved no GOTCHA, and that you are STILL upset that I ignored you for a day in 2020

Yeah, ya really got me Fan, why dont you go on a Rep Rage again
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Can the bitch stay on topic or is he just trying to derail today’s embarrassment with ad hominem attacks at you?
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Can the bitch stay on topic or is he just trying to derail today’s embarrassment with ad hominem attacks at you?
Take a WILD guess
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Sorry to all the people who come into this thread for proper discussion, but there is an entertainment quality to #1-wwf-fan getting CM Punk’d again and again.
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My guess is that #1-wwf-fan is a little sad Raw gets better viewership than Dynamite and Rampage combined. Honestly wouldn’t surprise me that it just comes down to him picking a side a long time ago and it not working out. BigCrippyZ just made himself invisible when the “Vince is going down!” trash talk was not going to fly.

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Say we live on Earth and see what he says.
I’d say you live in your own fantasy world. Case in point: This post you’re too much of a chicken shit to face…

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* Cody vs. MJF. If I recall, this was badly explained on TV. The Cody/Max relationship was brought up a couple of times, then MJF just randomly turned heel on Cody and they never touched again.
Keep embarrassing yourself, bitch. We all know you’re pretending to ignore me because it’s the easiest way for you to avoid reality. Having to defend your dishonest bullshit when you get called on it is hard, isn’t it guys?
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Having to defend your dishonest bullshit when you get called on it is hard, isn’t it guys?
You tell us, have you responded to Seph yet?
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