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04-29-2018, 03:01 PM | #1 | |
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Roman Reigns is a Randy Orton. Let's fix that
Randy Orton is fine. Ok. However, he is also a complete failure in terms of time and investment trying to get him to that next level. Same as Roman.
I think the biggest problem with Orton was just that he's a boring person in real life. There's only so much you can dress up boring. I find Roman to be significantly more interesting, but the character he's playing just hasn't taken any real risks and is kind of lame. My solution: *Choose bad guy (I'd use Bray) to injure Roman, then torture him off-air for weeks. *Reintroduce Roman as silent monster w/shaved head, partial mask. *After a few weeks allow him to give limited non-scripted interviews, then give him mic freedom, and see where it goes. It's completely generic, but if he's worth a shit he'd do something creative and exciting with it. Now you go. It's time to make TPWW MEAT again! Quote:
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04-29-2018, 03:05 PM | #2 |
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You call someone who poops in a purse boring?
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04-29-2018, 03:06 PM | #3 |
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Bray's not a heel. That's all I've got here.
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04-29-2018, 03:20 PM | #4 |
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Disagree, Orton was a success early in his career when the pushed him towards the main event. I'll agree he's grown boring in recent years but don't see the Roman comparison. Randy actually had some depth to him once he split Evolution unlike Reigns who kept everything from the Shield.
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04-29-2018, 03:24 PM | #5 |
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Roman reached the same ceiling as Orton, and Orton was only hot when he was killing legends. They wanted him to be the next big thing and he wasn't.
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04-29-2018, 03:56 PM | #6 | |
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I mean, if Dolph Ziggler did half the shut Orton did, he would be headlining PWG shows. If Orton had Ziggler's family tree, he would have been out of the business long ago. In any other time, he would have been run out of the business for his attitude. He is one of the biggest names in WWE that hasn't drawn shit. |
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04-29-2018, 03:52 PM | #7 |
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Orton was hot when he took the title off Benoit and turned on Evolution. Triple H made sure to take care of that though. Even still, he's been perpetually over for years. He was never the face of the company but he was never put in a position to be with Cena holding down the fort. Reigns has gotten the torch passed to him to a ridiculous level and it hasn't worked. Orton was always the "other guy" behind Cena and he worked much better in that role. The two aren't comparable.
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04-29-2018, 10:52 PM | #8 |
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Orton has always bored me as a character even when he was involved in interesting feuds.
I only cared about Roman as a member of the Shield. He needs something drastic, but not ridiculous, to get him over. Change is needed. I would put him in a Falls Count Anywhere Match with Braun and have them up on the stage slugging it out when pyro just goes off suddenly, EMTs rush out and they treat the whole thing as legit. Have him come back disfigured and wearing a partial mask (I'm all about partial masks) and see what happens. I have a feeling he'd be a pretty good "crazy" dude and his face getting burnt up would be perfect for that. Honestly any stupid gimmick would probably make him more interesting than the one he has now. |
04-30-2018, 04:13 AM | #9 |
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Orton's not a boring person. He poops in bags, smokes cigarettes and runs away from war. Fascinating fellow.
He's also a damn good worker. God, the way he just gets people off their seat by looking at them when he's on a roll -- magnificent. The company does not know what to do with him right now, but I am looking forward to Hardy vs. Orton. I think Reigns should turn heel on Seth Rollins after Money in the Bank. Have Reigns take the IC belt at SummerSlam and hold it until WrestleMania where he defends it against Braun Strowman or a babyface Nakamura. There's beautiful symbolism in Reigns defending against the guy people kept cheering for when he still gave a fuck about their feelings. But Nakamura would probably be a much more exciting match. By then people will be all over his dick and ready to cheer him again, likely. The Usos didn't last long as heels. |
04-30-2018, 05:42 AM | #10 |
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04-30-2018, 05:56 AM | #11 |
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04-30-2018, 05:57 AM | #12 |
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LOL WTF
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04-30-2018, 06:25 AM | #13 |
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Hot.
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04-30-2018, 04:43 PM | #14 |
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Lol what, Randy gets some of the best pops. Randy has had multiple red hot runs over his career. Sure the Randy/Bray stuff crapped out and it took a good 6 months to start rebuilding Randy, but again Randy is over. Roman has never reached that. Sure Roman has been over here and there, like when he beat down HHH, Vinny Mac, League of Nations, and won the WWE Title over a 2 day span, but by the next week he was back to same old boring Roman.
Difference is Randy is given the chance to turn, Roman needs to be a monster heel for a while, then he will be over for good once he flips back. |
04-30-2018, 04:49 PM | #15 |
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Roman is the Kristi Yamaguchi of WWE
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05-01-2018, 07:39 AM | #16 |
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04-30-2018, 04:50 PM | #17 |
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Roman Reigns is Rocky Maivia circa 1997
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04-30-2018, 07:50 PM | #18 |
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Fans were hot as fuck for Orton organically as Legacy IMPLODED. Reigns has never been universally over since getting shoved into the main event scene. Not in the way Orton has been over multiple times.
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04-30-2018, 07:50 PM | #19 |
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Roman Reigns is a wank pheasant.
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04-30-2018, 08:11 PM | #20 |
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04-30-2018, 09:11 PM | #21 |
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Championships don't matter anymore. Orton is boring and his in-ring work has consistently been boring with a few great moments here and there.
Nobody wanted to see Batista VS Orton as a main event of any ppv for a reason. Reigns has more potential to waste. |
04-30-2018, 10:36 PM | #22 | |
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How about Triple H has killed Orton momentum at his highest point like 5 different times. |
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05-01-2018, 03:12 PM | #24 |
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I would count 2004 twice. He was setup to be the next great heel, but that's Trips spot so let's have Orton booted out of Evolution. That set him up to be the next great face, but instead Triple H got the belt off him in like 3 weeks. Orton was back to a heel 6 months later with no momentum. It took him 3 years to get a world title again after that.
I would also count his 2013/2014 run thanks to the Authority angle crap. Yeah Randy got to be champ, but that he was like the 6h or 7th person in terms of importance in that whole story arc behind Daniel Bryan, The Authority, Batista, the Shield build to turning face, then again to Rollins after he turned. Dude never even got his title rematch, instead Kane got it and Randy had to reform Evolution to put the Shield over. Furthermore, speaking of Reigns, Randy had to put him over at Summerslam that year, all based on the HHH Authority stuff. I am also not even counting how on Fire Orton was in 2007, but instead of him just winning the vacant title, let's have him lose to Triple H first, then have Triple H have a grueling match with Umaga later that night, and ONLY then is Randy good enough to defeat a beat up by a Samoan Bulldozer Triple H. |
05-01-2018, 05:46 PM | #25 | |
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On Bryan: It's nuts if you don't go with him at Mania XXX. Absolutely nuts. Of course they fucked up the booking leading into it, but it's absolutely asinine if Bryan didn't end up in that match, just like it was baffling when he didn't just win the Royal Rumble. Dale's on the money here. I also cannot believe that Fan is an Eli Drake fan, but can't see the value in Daniel Bryan. Even in infinite realities I wouldn't consider that an inevitability. |
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05-01-2018, 09:53 AM | #26 |
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Wrong, I'd rather seen Batista/Orton at WM 30 than Daniel Bryan.
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04-30-2018, 09:12 PM | #27 |
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Yeah, "RKO Outta Nowhere" got old pretty fast.
Let's do "Spear Outta Nowhere" now. |
05-01-2018, 09:55 AM | #28 |
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Ugh.
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05-01-2018, 09:58 AM | #29 |
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Fan is the only one lol
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05-01-2018, 09:58 AM | #30 |
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Yeah that's what I said when Bryan beat HHH. I'd rather seen HHH in that match.
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05-01-2018, 09:59 AM | #31 |
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Personal taste aside Fan, business-wise you're better off booking the guy who's actually over.
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05-01-2018, 10:01 AM | #32 |
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You'd think but it hasn't stopped them with Reigns.
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05-01-2018, 10:02 AM | #33 |
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Of course, but that's not what this conversation is about. It was better business to book Bryan, whether you prefer him or not.
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05-01-2018, 10:08 AM | #34 |
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I'm not so sure about that. Show would have done just as well without Bryan in the main event I think.
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05-01-2018, 10:14 AM | #35 | |
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My only beef with the 3-way main event was the injury angle. Shoulda just been a hot match. |
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05-01-2018, 03:22 PM | #37 | |
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It is ok to change the booking course is somebody is over instead of for 4 straight years of thinking "I know better, Reigns will get over". Last edited by xrodmuc316; 05-01-2018 at 03:55 PM. |
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05-01-2018, 10:08 AM | #38 |
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ALWAYS BOOK HOGAN
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05-01-2018, 10:31 AM | #39 |
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He needs to get on a bus and do a nationwide campaign of another title shot
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05-01-2018, 10:36 AM | #40 |
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