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Old 06-10-2014, 06:08 PM   #361
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Shit like that happens all the time. It's almost a given someone will blow up and take it out on the dugout. What Machado did is bull shit. Especially given the fact that he wasn't dirty at all prior to this whole incident. The tag that started it all was legit. Machado just decided to go outside the baseline in an abysmal effort to avoid the tag, and got tagged while he was off balance and moving backwards as a result. What an ass.
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Old 06-10-2014, 06:30 PM   #362
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Manny only got 5 games which was 5 less than everyone was calling for. I'm of course OK with it buy everyone else is angry. Meanwhile A bad only got a fine for throwing 2 pitches at his knee
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Old 06-10-2014, 08:02 PM   #363
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So, are you saying that throwing your bat down the line on purpose, and hitting the catcher, in the face, twice, ON PURPOSE is less offensive/dangerous an act than throwing at a batter you never hit?
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Old 06-10-2014, 08:33 PM   #364
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Something tells me there was more bad intent in throwing 2 pitches at Manny's surgically repaired knee than him throwing the bat. One pitch at the knee, OK fine..but the 2nd pitch clearly proved he was throwing at his knee.
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Old 06-10-2014, 09:41 PM   #365
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Old 06-11-2014, 12:53 AM   #366
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Lol what? He hit the catcher with his bat, then threw his bat toward the third baseman. How is throwing inside more malicious?
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Old 06-11-2014, 12:55 AM   #367
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:18 AM   #368
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Lol what? He hit the catcher with his bat, then threw his bat toward the third baseman. How is throwing inside more malicious?
He hit aj pierzynski tonight on a back swing..batters hit catchers in the mask with their bats all the time. I guess we're going to have to force batters to move up in the batters box now..
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:23 AM   #369
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Something tells me there was more bad intent in throwing 2 pitches at Manny's surgically repaired knee than him throwing the bat. One pitch at the knee, OK fine..but the 2nd pitch clearly proved he was throwing at his knee.
No, the bat was worse.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:47 AM   #370
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Manny didn't go up there intending to hit anyone with his bat. It was only after the dumbass pitcher threw 2 pitches at his surgically repaired knee that he snapped and did it. I'm pretty sure in the same situation 85% of people would probably snap and do something stupid. I think Manny chose tossing the bat cause he thought he could get away with it as "oh it slipped" instead of him charging the mound and punching the guy in the face which wouldn't have any doubt about his actions.
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Old 06-11-2014, 02:03 AM   #371
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Throwing the bat is a pussy move. It would be more manly if he rushed the mound.
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Old 06-11-2014, 02:14 AM   #372
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So, because he was thrown at inside, but at no point ever hit or made to be injured, it's okay he risks the career of someone else who's completely defenseless by hitting him in the head, twice, with his bat, on purpose.

Sound logic, you fucking half wit.
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Old 06-11-2014, 02:15 AM   #373
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And yeah, nothing blatantly obvious about throwing your bat at the third baseman after the ball was in the catcher's glove. More sound logic from your resident know nothing, Droford.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:52 AM   #374
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He hit aj pierzynski tonight on a back swing..batters hit catchers in the mask with their bats all the time. I guess we're going to have to force batters to move up in the batters box now..
I realize it's a common occurrence, but most players give a nod or some kind of sign to say "my bad" because they aren't dickbags.
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God, the Padres are so fucking awful. I expect them to at least compete with the Mets. Instead, they get shut down outside of a couple of shimmers of hope. Time to clean out the roster and give my annual state of the team...

PLAYERS ON THE BLOCK

CHRIS DENORFIA
Great platoon player who can masquerade as an everday player. Can play all three outfield positions, though he's not ideal in CF on an everday basis. Great base runner. His slash is down this year (.259/.306/.358) from his career (278/.338/.405), but I think that's a combo of being about 10 points off his career babip, and not playing as regularly in past years due to the emergence of Seth Smith and Cameron Maybin being healthy, along with Venable and Quentin also being active. He's still a solid pickup who might net a decent low level prospect, and create a roster spot for a minor leaguer. Deno is a free agent after this year.

SETH SMITH
This guy has been a huge win for the Padres. I always liked him as a platoon from back when he was on the Rockies, and though I didn't care for the trading of Luke Gregerson for him, I have ot amdit the move was brilliant, as he's been the team's best hitter. He's currently slashing a robust .294/.393/.522, and has already accumulated 2.1 WAR through just over a third of the season. If he keeps pace, he's going to bury his previous career WAR of 2.3 back in 09 with Colorado. He's not particularly great in the corners, but that could be exposed more times than not consider how Petco has a huge outfield. He's a stud against righties, and, like Denorfia, would create a roster spot for a younger player by being moved. He too is a free agent at years end.

HUSTON STREET
Been absolutely nails since he was acquired for a former first rounder in Nick Schmidt, who went to Colorado in exchange. He can be homer prone, as we've seen in the past, and Petco definitely masks his flaws at times, but he is a strike thrower, is cheap considering what closers costs these days, and comes with a not so bad $7 mil option for next year.

EVERTH CABRERA
I get a lot of shit for saying this to fellow Padres fans, but I'd be qucikly on the move to try and get a team to overpay for Cabrera. Even though he has been awful this year offensively, there's a lot to like. His on base career number is .320. Michael Bourne has seen his value sky rocket by being a decent lead off hitter with speed and defense at a premium position. Cabrera could continue to mature into that of he can bounce back this year, especially if he remembers how to draw walks again. That current number is currently sitting at 4%, down from 9% for his career coming into the year. No reason to think he won't eventually realize a lot of his value last year came from drawing walks while dropping in hits. He's also got 2 more years of control after this season, but, being a Boras client, it's highly unlikely he'd sign anything resembling a team friendly deal that would lock him up for into his 30s. That also works in the team's favor though, since the team buying him from the Padres would get him for an extended period of time, through his final 2 prime years. I highly doubt he gets moved, especially since would be incumbent Jace Peterson has struggled at the dish this year. But if the price is right and they can reap an above average prospect or two not too far away, then I'd definitely try and swing a deal.

CARLOS QUENTIN
He's just not healthy enough to be more than a DH at this point, and because of silly things like tradition, that won't be available in the NL in enough time for the Padres to actually maximize Quentin's value. He excels at the two most important aspects of offense in the game; gets on base and hits for power. He carries a limited no trade clause, so moving him might be tricky, especially if the teams eligible for his services aren't in the hunt/looking for a DH, but putting him through waivers after the deadline and hoping someone bites is not a bad idea. It would clear up payroll space and allow the team to waive goodbye to a good idea in theory.

IAN KENNEDY
Has pitched decently this year. Strikeouts are up, walks are down, and he's still a few ticks up on his career babip, which means it would not be unrealistic to see him get better as the season goes on. Anything that could be even major league average in return would be a steal, since he was acquired for a lefty specialist who averaged about an out per appearance. He's still a bit homer prone, and can struggle in a smaller park. But with the type of year he's having, and the fact that starting pitching is always an asset to be had at the deadline, he may be the team's most attractive piece with 1.5 years of control left.

Honorable mentions are Chase Headley and Joaquin Benoit. Headley hasn't seen anything near the form he saw in the second half of 2012, or even the first half. He did finish 2013 at a respectable .250/.347/.400, compliling just shy of 4 WAR in a year where he struggled with a few nagging injuries. He's a free agent after this year, so even if he does turn it on over the next 2 months, he's likely not going to fetch a huge return unless a team gets desperate because he's unlikely to sign due to a thin 3rd base market next year.

Benoit is curious just because they signed him this off season, and he's been terrific. He's also pretty affordable, if a team wants him to close, but it unneeded on a losing team not likely to take advantage of his maximum value. It would create a bit of hole at the back end of the bullpen should the Padres move both he and Street, but I am of the mind that you can find guys with decent enough stuff to close on a losing team that moving two guys with value is only going to help.

The other move I see (and hope) is Bud Black getting the axe. He just is not a good manager. Black fails at in game strategy, and basic roster optimization. Certain players have to play because there are no viable alternatives. So, even though they've been awful, guys like Headley, Cabrera, Alonso and Gyorko have to get the chance to improve, because there's literally no one else. But others, like Venable, who is fucking awful this year, is getting consistent playing time over guys like Denorfia and Cameron Maybin, who have been better than him this year, and in Deno's case, since day one.

Black also does not utilize basic statistics in fielding a lineup. I think, these days, for the most part, people realize on base percentage is an important and telling stat, best utilized in the first 3-4 lineup spots, where your best hitters are and most scoring opportunities arise. Black does not comprehend this. He has continually batted Cabrera and Venable, two players with SUB .300 OBP'S in the 1-2 spots. And it's not something that's every now and then. Cabrera has yet to bat lower than 2 all year, despite struggling all year. Venable has been a league average hitter his entire career, but yet finds himself, in the middle of his worst season, hitting at the top of the order, while Maybin hits in the bottom 3rd when he does play, and Deno sits the bench. Meanwhile, Seth Smith can't buy an RBI because, despite his manly slash line, nobody's ever on base when he comes up.

It's mind boggling that my feeble brain can see this and make a direct connection with the two guys hitting 1-2 and the lack of overall offense despite a more than capable 3 hitter this year, but Bud Black can't figure it out and continues to give the same old "it'll turn around" press answer night in and night out.

Hopefully the team does turn it around, because about a calender year ago, their entire middle infield was, statistically, above average. And I don't fee Headley, Cabrera, Gyorko and Alonso will be awful forever. Alonso has actually shown signs of improving. His babip is starting to climb, and his power that was sapped from a hand/wrist injury it starting to come back after posting a decent month of May. Hopefully the rest follow suit, so they can be traded and I can move on with my life.
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He's just not healthy enough to be more than a DH at this point, and because of silly things like tradition, that won't be available in the NL in enough time for the Padres to actually maximize Quentin's value.
You might be the first NL fan I know that actually wants the league to adapt a DH. Would hate that so much. I realize it'll probably happen eventually whether I want it to or not, but fuck.

It'd never happen but I heard a proposal on SNY. Eliminate the DH in the AL and in turn expand the rosters to 27 players. You eliminate the DH job but the selling point for the union is that you create 60 new jobs where guys will make big league salaries. So many NL teams lack a true slugger on their bench to be used as PH late in the game, because teams want to fill their bench with versatile players. Expanding the rosters to 27 eliminates this and still allows aging hitters a chance to stick around as PH specialists.

Still probably won't happen though because the DH is a bigger money position than 2 extra bench guys combined.
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I hate the DH. I wish every pitcher hit like Travis Wood.
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Old 06-14-2014, 04:29 PM   #398
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Hey RP and Frank, remember how Schierholtz looked amazing in the 1st half last year and the Cubs could have actually got something decent for him at the deadline?


Now he's hitting like Travis Wood. Great move, Theo.
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Old 06-14-2014, 04:32 PM   #399
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Old 06-14-2014, 07:15 PM   #400
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Nah. He's a guy you could have included as a piece in a trade like how Ryan Theriot got dealt as part of the Ted Lilly deal to LA. You don't deal straight up for him like a starting pitcher. He's a platoon guy and everyone knew it. No market for a guy like that who was also playing over his head. If any GM balked at pulling the trigger on him, they were right.
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