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Old 11-10-2017, 05:58 AM   #161
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Emma's negotiation with Stardom ended up after they couldn't agree with her demands.
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:25 AM   #162
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Reportedly she wanted $2,000 per match, first class airfare, and full creative control.

If she sticks with that at her going rate - she's probably not going to be in the wrestling business any longer.
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:49 AM   #163
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When was her WWE contract set to expire if she hadn't been released? Maybe they were negotiating an extension and her asking price was way too high and she was being an ass about it. Could have pissed off management, who really didn't have anything for her, and wouldn't see a need to come up with anything if they knew they weren't going to re-sign her. Seems plausible at least if that is seriously her asking price.
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Old 11-10-2017, 10:02 AM   #164
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If her Instagram is any indication, she's got a modeling career on the side and endorses a few products. It could just be that she wants to take a break from the business unless she was given a crazy good offer, hence the asking price for Stardom.

If and when she wants to get back into it I'm sure her price will go down for bookings.
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:35 PM   #165
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Wait... wasn't the Emmalina change just a mirage? I thought I remember it being something that was suppose to happen, then it couldn't because she was injured for too long, so they just played it out as a big joke because creative had no real storyline for it. It seems to me that you guys are saying that the whole stretch was a planned failure.

I do remember feeling that the TLC match was going on way longer than it should have as I watched it, but as was mentioned above, if they Goldberg'd Asuka, she would have zero longevity on a very thin roster. I can't believe that Emma being fired is solely on the match. My reaction is more feeling that Emma has been around a decent amount of time, but has not been able to "grab the brass ring" with the audience so she became expendable. I hate to see her go, but it is was it is.
No, Emma was supposed to come back as Emmalina. But when they trial ran the character, she couldn't pull it off, so they scrapped it and had her go back to Emma.
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:36 PM   #166
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If her Instagram is any indication, she's got a modeling career on the side and endorses a few products. It could just be that she wants to take a break from the business unless she was given a crazy good offer, hence the asking price for Stardom.

If and when she wants to get back into it I'm sure her price will go down for bookings.
Or it could just be she overestimates her own worth.
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:07 AM   #167
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No, Emma was supposed to come back as Emmalina. But when they trial ran the character, she couldn't pull it off, so they scrapped it and had her go back to Emma.
I'm sure she pulled it off fine. More like WWE actually saw the gimmick in action and only then realized it was bad, and then blamed Emma for not being able to play a hot chick.
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:12 AM   #168
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You really think they would scrap the prototypical hot chick gimmick for a hot chick if they could pull it off? They basically gave the same thing to Lana afterwards. It's easy to blame the company and not hand the talent their fair share of the responsibility.
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Old 11-12-2017, 02:18 PM   #169
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And Lana did the gimmick for about 3 weeks. Maybe the idea was just bad?
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Old 11-12-2017, 02:24 PM   #170
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I already tried to explain this to Noid guys.
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Old 11-12-2017, 03:38 PM   #171
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We can agree it wasn't the Asuka matches though, right?
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Old 11-12-2017, 05:32 PM   #172
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I already tried to explain this to Noid guys.
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They tested it with pictures. On her debut of the gimmick Emma said she would not be doing it anymore.
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Nah, they got her to do a promo in the gimmick or something and everyone shuddered and moved on. It was her big chance for a push she couldn't pull it off.
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Dude, during her fucking promo she said she was done being Emmalina. During her one and only promo . It was over before..... nevermind. You obviously have no idea nor care.
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I wasn't talking about a promo in front of the crowd. I'm talking about why they had her cut that promo in front of the crowd. Why do you think she went out there and said she was done being Emmalina?
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So they thought she was not committed enough which also means she never received a chance to play the character. WWW did not let her go out there to see if the crowd wanted it or not.
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Yes, she did. She got a chance to play the character in front of the people screen-testing her and they said "nope." You can't give Academy Awards to people who fail to get roles because they blow the audition. This is just dumb.
Yeah, you sure explained it to me.

I know it's trendy to be all counter-culture and hate on the company and blame them for talent failing. I do it too. I hate the creative direction of the company for the most part. That being said, Emma got multiple chances to prove herself valuable.

* She was called up separately from the other NXT girls and got to be paired with one of the most over sideshow acts at the circus. Was it honest to her NXT portrayal? Of course not. Did it work? Nope. Part booking, but also part her.

*She got repackaged as a heel. Did she receive a push? Not really. That's now entirely her fault, unless she rubbed people the wrong way backstage. But did she blow anyone out of the water? Not at all. Part booking, but also part her.

* She got handed the Emmalina deal, which could have been huge. Look at how successful Sable got with a modicum of talent. Love it or hate it, wrestling is still sexist as shit, and being hot is going to get you air time. The gimmick was dropped because Emma fucking tanked it. This is her fault. Whether it was her choice to not go along with it or whether her accent or some shit got in the way, Emmalina didn't work the way it was supposed to which is why it was scrapped. You don't get to put the cart before the horse on this and reverse causation here. It's not like the company failed with Emmalina; Emma failed with Emmalina. Whether or not the gimmick would have worked is actually irrelevant, because it didn't and now she's out of a job.

* When they turned her heel they tried to use her as an enhancement heel again. What happened? Talent that worked with her got under. Part booking? Sure. You need to make her look strong for her to pass that onto others, but there are plenty of people who can work longer matches and draw people in and get them to invest in the babyface. Emma couldn't do that. She's limited as an in-ring talent and they don't have a heavyweight place for her. She's not entitled to be pushed just because that's the only place she could hypothetically work. They tried that and she couldn't work the gimmick they wanted.

It's not entirely Emma's fault that she was never used to the optimum. But for fuck's sake, it was pretty obvious where she was supposed to deliver and didn't. Couldn't do comedy, couldn't (or wouldn't) do diva, couldn't enhance. Now she's going around asking for $2,000 per appearance and creative control after stating that she does plan to stay in the business. There are escorts hotter than who would actually fuck fans and not charge that much. And they'd work for a full hour.

I like Emma. I think she's gorgeous to look at and I thought her NXT runs were good and I prefer her over most of the other women on the roster. But for fuck's sake, pull your heads out of her ass for a second and look at the evidence in front of you. "Maybe this," "possibly that," "if they had just done this," "if they had given her a huge push at the top maybe she would have been more over." Woulda, shoulda, coulda. They didn't. They didn't have to. They didn't want to. And when they did she didn't want to. And then when they both wanted to she couldn't. How do I know? Because they tried and she couldn't.
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Old 11-12-2017, 05:35 PM   #173
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And Lana did the gimmick for about 3 weeks. Maybe the idea was just bad?
Lana is not someone who needs to ever be in a wrestling ring. Plus she was moving from an over act to an untested one. It's a completely different direction to Emma. And a lot of people still don't know whether or not Lana was supposed to be a face or a heel out the gate.

I compared the two, but they're not really equal. You could write an essay on how they are different. But yeah, don't try and convince me that the idea of the gimmick itself is bad. Hot girls are going to get attention in the business -- that's just the way it is. If you really think that being plain old Emma was better, I present to you the evidence of how it turned out for her.
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We can agree it wasn't the Asuka matches though, right?
What are you even going on about? Of course the Asuka matches played a part. I think it's largely the consensus that they went on too long, gave Emma too much and cooled Asuka off. Then she got fired. I don't think anyone was ever saying "This one incident is the only reason." It was obviously a compounded issue.
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Old 11-12-2017, 05:56 PM   #176
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Noid wrong about a lot of stuff about Emma, right about some other things.

On the whole, though, Emma was good and I will miss her and no one can convince me otherwise.
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:01 PM   #177
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I feel you, LJ. It's been a tough time for all of us.
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I am one hundred percent on board with that. Or maybe we can do Emmacember.
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:54 PM   #180
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Noid wrong about a lot of stuff about Emma, right about some other things.

On the whole, though, Emma was good and I will miss her and no one can convince me otherwise.
I feel the need to re-state that I like Emma. When she's booked to be a major babyface and she's going blow-for-blow "strong style" with another girl, it's "good" stuff. I agree with that. I can understand why people would say she's "decent" or just not their cup of tea at all. But when it comes to working anything else she loses people.

She was good within a small window, is what I'm trying to say. And she's only 28 or something. She could still make a career out of it and learn to broaden herself. I doubt her Instagram will disappear either.
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I liked that too. It worked in NXT. Emma was so hot in that role.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:39 PM   #183
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:56 PM   #184
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Well, they tried to use her sex appeal and she tanked the gimmick. Sure, it wasn't "Evil Emma," but she had her chance to swing her ass around, give the bosses boners and get herself set for life.

I mean, it didn't click as a serious threat gimmick even in NXT, because she's never been a serious threat. But you need to present her like a serious threat in order for her to play serious threat. Do you get what I mean?

Emma's a fucking paradox, man. If you wanted her then you'd book accordingly. You'd make her look strong all the time so when she came out and shook her ass it felt like a big deal. But they didn't so they didn't and she can't do that without the presentation because it fucking cools everything down.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:57 PM   #185
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:01 PM   #186
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They should have just stuck Dana Brooke with her on the main roster. Was it an Emma injury that blocked that? I don't right remember.
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Emmalina made no fucking sense.
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:12 PM   #188
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They should have just stuck Dana Brooke with her on the main roster. Was it an Emma injury that blocked that? I don't right remember.
It was partly injury. It was partly her tanking the gimmick they wanted to push her with. It was partly her being unremarkable. Because, good as she can be within a certain context, she's not remarkable.
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Emmalina made no fucking sense.
It made perfect sense. While Emma was out she was posting all these sizzling photos of herself on Instagram. I came on here and said "If Vince sees these he'll make her a star." He tried. She failed.

Eva Marie got so much fucking heat in NXT because she was doing the diva thing. Sure, that was largely because she couldn't wrestle and the crowd thought they knew it, but Emmalina was going to take elements of that and put it into someone who can at least hold a note.

She'd have been a heel Sable if she could have wrestled. If it had worked, she'd be the Women's Champion right now.
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Guys, I know this is hard to swallow, but Emma is largely to blame for her own failures. And she will be largely to credit for her own successes if she keeps working and gets better.
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Yeah and then Brooke was put with Charlotte.
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Eva Marie got so much fucking heat in NXT because she was doing the diva thing. Sure, that was largely because she couldn't wrestle and the crowd thought they knew it, but Emmalina was going to take elements of that and put it into someone who can at least hold a note.
Nah. The crowd was well aware Eva couldn't wrestle, and the heat she was getting was absolutely the wrong heat. To paraprhase Cornette: it wasn't "I want to see this heel get beat up", it was "I don't want to see this heel"... and actually, as it went on, being a heel didn't matter, and it became "please for the love of God get this woman in particular the fuck away from a wrestling ring".

When you have half the audience actively cringe on TV at a very visibly blown spot/bad landing in every match where it looked like she was going to legit kill herself or her opponent or both, and yet the company still stays behind her for months because of whatever heel heat she supposedly got from Total Divas (never watched it, so I don't know and don't care), you should come to realize it isn't out of her being sexy with jealousy directed towards her (subjective: I didn't think she was hot at all) or a "diva", that is a "half them, half her" situation.

She didn't have the ability whatsoever for the plans that were in place, and yet they seemed bound and determined to make her the next top heel for the women's division in spite of all the talent that were active and the ones successfully being trained. It was like the opposite of Daniel Bryan; instead of bypassing a person who is good and over because they don't see it, they were pushing someone who was god awful and very not over, and getting less over because of how clumsy she was in the ring and how unbearable even her canned mic work was. She wasn't improving, but she was still getting the rocket up her ass. It was on her that she wasn't talented, but shame on WWE for continuing to try to shove that square peg in the star hole.
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Right on the nose.

It wasn’t the character that got her the heat, it was the performer - and not in a good way.

If you put someone with talent (I don’t know, let’s say for the sake of argument, Emma) in that role in NXT the crowd would have turned her face almost instantly. Yes, NXT is a different animal but that’s the comparison we’re working with.
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Old 11-15-2017, 07:06 AM   #197
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Speaking of NXT, Emma getting over was one of those things that was oversimplified.

She had talent, and her whole gimmick was weird enough to set her apart, actually "be" a character, and not just be boiled down to bland "I'm going to prove a person with a uterus can kick ass! Girl power!" face or generic evil bitch heel #135. It was awkwardly endearing, much like Bayley was down there. But it got distilled into "weird dancing and bubbles? I don't get it!" on the main roster transition.

Now, if she *did* get the Eva Marie push, I don't think she would have neccessarily gotten over as a face ironically. It hasn't exactly happened for Billie Kay and Peyton Royce; they're absolutely heels. Bianca Belair is shaping up be a tremendous heel, but all things considered, someone will likely have the bright idea to match her up with Street Profits which would turn her face by proxy... got off track. She could have been a decent heel if *she* got the All Red Everything treatment instead of somehow being the dub-in for AJ Lee (that whole "started the Divas Revolution" thing always seemed like a petty, company mandated dig at her much like using Nikki Bella- of all people- to surpass her title reign). But much like asking what if WWE had actually gotten behind the Ryder Revolution instead of having him pop up in cameos at catering when he was at his hottest, we will never know.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:47 PM   #198
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It doesn't matter why Eva Marie got heat, the point is that they were going to get Emma to do it and she couldn't or didn't want to, haha.
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Old 11-16-2017, 07:48 AM   #199
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Old 11-16-2017, 06:04 PM   #200
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God, I fucking miss Emma so much already.
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