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Old 08-13-2017, 12:34 PM   #161
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:38 PM   #162
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Old 08-13-2017, 03:59 PM   #163
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With the unexpected travel im further behind that i thought i would be. On the main from 7.27

Omega v Elgin. Elgin is not even remotely over. Shame, really like the guys stuff. Omega might as well be out there alone though.
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Old 08-13-2017, 04:10 PM   #164
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So if the winner of G1 isn't the champion then they get a title shot at WrestleKingdom in 5 months? That's some long term booking. Jesus Christ. lol
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Old 08-13-2017, 04:18 PM   #165
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So if the winner of G1 isn't the champion then they get a title shot at WrestleKingdom in 5 months? That's some long term booking. Jesus Christ. lol
The title match is secondary to the tourney. The prestige of winning the G1 is paramount.
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Old 08-13-2017, 04:20 PM   #166
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It's still insanely long term booking to give a title shot 5 months out.
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Old 08-13-2017, 04:25 PM   #167
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Kinda standard really. Mania build starts in august and culminates in march/april
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There isn't a title shot won until the Rumble 2 months out.
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Old 08-13-2017, 05:08 PM   #169
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It's more like money in the bank with a set date than the royal rumble. At least for the last few years the G1 winner has had to defend their Wrestle Kingdom title shot at the PPV's before Wrestle Kingdom.
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Old 08-13-2017, 05:09 PM   #170
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Dont see the diff. Angles are still being built as early as summer slam. I mean yeah westerns audience have a terrible attention span but the angles are being built all the same. They just do it as more of a for shadowing as opposed to an overt announcement.
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It's more like money in the bank with a set date than the royal rumble. At least for the last few years the G1 winner has had to defend their Wrestle Kingdom title shot at the PPV's before Wrestle Kingdom.
Alright, well that's different. I didn't know they actually had to defend the shot. Thought it was just flat out announcing the main event of Wrestle Kingdom 5 months in advance.
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Old 08-13-2017, 05:24 PM   #174
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The shpt isnt even a garunteed thing...after all the champ could win g1
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Dont see the diff. Angles are still being built as early as summer slam. I mean yeah westerns audience have a terrible attention span but the angles are being built all the same. They just do it as more of a for shadowing as opposed to an overt announcement.
WWE "starts building" toward WrestleMania at SummerSlam and can (and do) change things up along the way. There's definitely a difference between that and overtly announcing the main event of WrestlMania at SummerSlam. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing so much. lol
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The shpt isnt even a garunteed thing...after all the champ could win g1
That's why I said "if the winner isn't the champion". Goddamn, Destor.
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Old 08-13-2017, 05:29 PM   #177
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WWE "starts building" toward WrestleMania at SummerSlam and can (and do) change things up along the way. There's definitely a difference between that and overtly announcing the main event of WrestlMania at SummerSlam. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing so much. lol
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That's why I said "if the winner isn't the champion". Goddamn, Destor.
Disagree is all. I think there is a real difference in the culture and annoucing somethimg this far out isnt an issue. The fed does it too the diff is they just pretned that they havent announced it yet.
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I think it's way harder to keep people interested once you've told them exactly what the title match of the big show in 5 months is going to be. The title picture is set. There's no more drama to be had. Now it's just 5 months of build. New Japan could do it, I'm sure. WWE, not so much.
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I think it's way harder to keep people interested once you've told them exactly what the title match of the big show in 5 months is going to be. New Japan could do it, I'm sure. WWE, not so much.
Well one is sport and one is theater.
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Same. But there's not much else to him.
True...but i like it that way...
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Of course, it's moot now because I didn't know the G1 winner had to defend his shot until then. But there's definitely a big difference between announcing the match and relying completely on build and actually building the story of what the match might be.
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Wrestling is sport in Japan, religion in Mexico, tradition in Canada and theater in America. How we build programs all stems from that. In Japan the match is the story. UFC annouces bouts months out, all combat sports do. Wrestling is the same in JPN.

Here its a soap. Whats going to happen next week. Which is fine. Wouldnt work there though.
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And what works there doesn't work here.
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I wouldnt know what working tbh. I catch the ppvs and thats it, numbers are trending down though...but the numbers trending down correlate with them going to a more sport based product...so i dunno.
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nah, it's still as soapy as ever. For every "sportsy" thing they do, they do something else to double down on the soap aspect.
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Doesn't really work in the states anymore
Oh yeah. And what works here doesn't work here anymore either. But that's a different story.
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Old 08-13-2017, 05:51 PM   #191
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nah, it's still as soapy as ever. For every "sportsy" thing they do, they do something else to double down on the soap aspect.
Honestly, they'd probably be in a better position if they picked a path and went with it. They switch back and forth between catering to the marks and ignoring them and it's just a big mess.
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yeah I agree. I look back to 2000 and it was still super soapy, but with amazing matches that made sense for whatever reason. If it's a soap like that, I can deal. Next thing you know, HHH is fucking a corpse.
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Soapy is fine as long is its compelling
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Ya'll acting like long term booking is a bad thing.
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100% agree. Not my forte so to speak, but you can't argue with something that is entertaining.
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Only saw up to the intermission live last night and just finished catching up to the rest of the Finals show.

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Naito-Omega match was great overall. Ouch at Naito completely missing the table for the piledriver spot.
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As a new NJPW fan trying to catch up a little, this tournament did an amazing job setting up challengers for Okada.
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Watched Elgin vs Omega in that U.S title thingy. Omega has a great look and is definitely a star. Elgin looks like Bill Demott. The match itself is way too much overkill. Does every match require an opponent to be shot, dismembered and burned with battery acid to get a three count? Good lord.
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