07-03-2017, 08:29 PM | #1 | ||
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Is "Ironic Fandom" a problem? WTF does it even mean?
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07-03-2017, 08:31 PM | #2 |
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Am I to understand that people liking someone, even in an over-the-top way, a problem in today's WWE/WRASSLIN/SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT?
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07-03-2017, 08:33 PM | #3 |
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Pretty sure Noid is referencing when something is really awful and people act like it's amazing ironically just for shits and giggles.
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07-03-2017, 08:34 PM | #4 |
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Please See: #BROKEN Matt Hardy
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07-03-2017, 08:35 PM | #5 |
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Right, but is that not a matter of opinion? How does he know that KIRA or any other poster doesn't really enjoy (insert wtf you want here).
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07-03-2017, 08:36 PM | #6 |
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I'm not privy to the Jinder thread, but yes some are enjoying him in the same annoying ironic fashion as a hipster in skinny jeans and nerd glasses drinking a Papst. They're allowed. It's not hurting anything.
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07-03-2017, 08:36 PM | #7 |
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I get it. I, for one, thought the whole thing was dumb. However, it was (and will be again) a mad success. So if someone gets behind it and it does very well, is it not the person who has a problem with it who should look elsewhere?
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07-03-2017, 08:36 PM | #8 |
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I think when people "like" something ironically they show it by just fucking around on message board. They generally don't actually give money or anything to WWE for things they like ironically. So I'd lean toward it not being that much of a problem.
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07-03-2017, 08:36 PM | #9 | |
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07-03-2017, 08:36 PM | #10 |
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07-03-2017, 08:42 PM | #11 | |
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To clarify though I genuinely like and am excited that Mahal is champ. I thought it was obvious I wasn't serious about him being flawless but I guess Noid thought I was. |
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07-03-2017, 08:42 PM | #12 |
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Yeah, and you are allowed to like it. Just like some hipsters genuinely like things un-ironically, but then there are others who like it ironically......
Everyone is unique and allowed their own opinion/viewpoints...... |
07-03-2017, 08:45 PM | #13 | |
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It seems much more likely that anyone heaping that much praise on Jinder is fucking around than that they ACTUALLY think he's the second coming of Jesus Christ. |
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07-03-2017, 08:50 PM | #14 | ||
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That's it. I said it in the original thread, but ironic fandom has a detached element to it, which is harder to make money off. It's really that simple. |
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07-03-2017, 08:51 PM | #15 |
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Jinder is getting the push that THE RYBACK should have gotten. But Jinder will get all them Rupees for the WWE so thats why they push him. But if him being champ pisses people off im all for it.
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07-03-2017, 08:52 PM | #16 |
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No, I knew that you weren't, and I was just calling it out for the sake of the discussion, because I genuinely don't like the idea of him being champ and wanted to talk about it. It was drave that who thought you were serious. My discussion with you was just something along the lines of "come on now, KIRA" and his was "leave KIRA alone."
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07-03-2017, 08:53 PM | #17 |
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Can you imagine if THE RYBACK was brown??? Fuck.
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To emphasize that this is not a problem with people liking what they like:
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How is this so hard for people? |
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07-03-2017, 08:54 PM | #20 |
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Didn't you leave because you didn't like other people's opinions?
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07-03-2017, 08:55 PM | #21 |
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Agree with up to the extent that it's mainly just something you can block out. It doesn't mean certain trends aren't annoying or that no damage can be done by having fans with no genuine emotionally investment in what you are pimping.
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07-03-2017, 08:56 PM | #22 |
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07-03-2017, 08:59 PM | #23 |
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The trifecta for me is Alexa Bliss is the best women's wrestler in the WWE today, The Usos are amazing promos and Jinder Mahal is a great champion. If you say each into a mirror, a picture of Val Venis Photoshopped with all the championships will appear and you will never be able to see your face again.
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07-03-2017, 09:07 PM | #24 |
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I like this relatively new Noid. I remember a time where it seemed like he thought everyone on the roster deserved a push.
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07-03-2017, 09:07 PM | #25 | |
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07-03-2017, 09:51 PM | #26 | ||
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Literally anyone: "This dude is a GAWD!!!!" Literally someone else: "No he isn't, stop taking the piss" There may, in fact be, fans who see anyone as FLAWLESS and or above, etc. That may be difficult to understand if your personal opinions differ, that is simple. Quote:
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07-03-2017, 09:58 PM | #27 |
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But you did say it. I just made THE LETTERS BIG LIKE THIS. Anyhoo, you saying you cancelled your sub is exactly what SHOULD happen if you hold the opinion you do. After all, your opinion of what they have become is past the point of wanting to pay for their entertainment. But hey, opinions are all bullshit. I only questioned why (being sensationalist or not) anyone couldn't hold the opinion that Kira (jokingly) posted and that be "ok". |
07-03-2017, 09:59 PM | #28 |
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Totes not giving you a red dot either.... because online forum rep is such opinionated bullshit
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07-03-2017, 11:39 PM | #29 |
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Is this thread really a thing? Aren't we all trolling around as 20, 30 some year olds in some way or another?
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07-04-2017, 12:08 AM | #30 |
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Curtis Axel is Better than Perfect.
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07-04-2017, 01:03 AM | #31 |
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Simply Ironic Fan
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07-04-2017, 01:35 AM | #32 |
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Thanks, man. I came from a very naive place with wrestling. Eventually I became more of a mark for the business side of things and the philosophy of what does and doesn't work, and now I feel a lot more balanced and realistic. A little cynical? Eh, maybe. If something is great, I'll give it credit though. I'm just not going to raise bad to mediocre and mediocre to good.
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07-04-2017, 01:39 AM | #33 | |
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It's not the biggest problem with wrestling, and problems with wrestling may not be considered big compared to disease epidemics and such. But to be it is a problem with wrestling being taken seriously again and being able to make money. Is it a "BIG" problem or a "big" problem? That I'm open to discussion about. KIRA can hold whatever position KIRA wants to. I was just responding to KIRA's posts on the matter, like someone might respond to #fan talking about Fandango. KIRA and I cleared it up earlier. |
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07-04-2017, 02:34 AM | #34 |
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<-- I...Ronic.
Get it? I prefer being 'RaginRonic' though. XB |
07-04-2017, 02:35 AM | #35 |
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Gin 'n' Ronic
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07-04-2017, 02:43 AM | #36 |
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The "what" chants are way more annoying than anyone ironically enjoying something.
I do want to beat up a hipster drinking Papst though. |
07-04-2017, 02:44 AM | #37 |
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07-04-2017, 04:53 AM | #39 | |
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I remember when I was 15 I thought that music wasn't "real music" unless it was played on guitar/bass/drums, and that other music, specifically rap/hip-hop was garbage. Then around 18 I got into "urban" music, but that "pop" music was absolute trash. In my 20s I got to a point where I was like "Heh. Like whatever you like. It all (mostly) has some merit". Just mellow a bit, man. |
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