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07-03-2017, 08:29 PM | #1 | ||
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Is "Ironic Fandom" a problem? WTF does it even mean?
As to not derail someone's Jinder appreciation thread...
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07-03-2017, 08:31 PM | #2 |
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Am I to understand that people liking someone, even in an over-the-top way, a problem in today's WWE/WRASSLIN/SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT?
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07-03-2017, 08:42 PM | #3 | |
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To clarify though I genuinely like and am excited that Mahal is champ. I thought it was obvious I wasn't serious about him being flawless but I guess Noid thought I was. |
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07-03-2017, 08:52 PM | #4 |
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No, I knew that you weren't, and I was just calling it out for the sake of the discussion, because I genuinely don't like the idea of him being champ and wanted to talk about it. It was drave that who thought you were serious. My discussion with you was just something along the lines of "come on now, KIRA" and his was "leave KIRA alone."
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07-03-2017, 09:07 PM | #5 | |
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07-03-2017, 09:51 PM | #6 | ||
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Literally anyone: "This dude is a GAWD!!!!" Literally someone else: "No he isn't, stop taking the piss" There may, in fact be, fans who see anyone as FLAWLESS and or above, etc. That may be difficult to understand if your personal opinions differ, that is simple. Quote:
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07-03-2017, 08:33 PM | #7 |
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Pretty sure Noid is referencing when something is really awful and people act like it's amazing ironically just for shits and giggles.
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07-03-2017, 08:34 PM | #8 |
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Please See: #BROKEN Matt Hardy
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07-03-2017, 08:36 PM | #9 |
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I get it. I, for one, thought the whole thing was dumb. However, it was (and will be again) a mad success. So if someone gets behind it and it does very well, is it not the person who has a problem with it who should look elsewhere?
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07-03-2017, 08:36 PM | #10 |
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07-03-2017, 08:53 PM | #11 | |
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To emphasize that this is not a problem with people liking what they like:
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How is this so hard for people? |
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07-04-2017, 05:02 AM | #12 | |
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07-04-2017, 11:52 PM | #13 | |
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a) they did it with what was destined to be yet another generic tag team breakup angle seen the world over repeatedly in the history of tag team wrestling b) most of this was on their own dime c) the angle was on par with just about anything Lucha Underground had done with a similar style and an obviously lesser budget (one was a whole company with money coming into it to produce, the other was, as I just mentioned, pretty much done with Hardy assets) d) ended up outshining most of the other shit the actual company was producing in spite of it's cheeziness and e) even if The Company Formerly Known As TNA doesn't want to admit it, they carried the company on their massive and entertaining backs, both figuratively and at a specific point, financially, when they were at a point of internal turmoil and uncertainty. This here last point is why *I* personally find the whole suit against them for the #BROKEN stuff shameful- that's the thanks they get for keeping eyeballs on the product up to and including their own produced "show" when the actual company didn't have a taping to air; a mishandling of contract negotiations and a lawsuit?!? The literal example of "no good deed goes unpunished". On topic: the irony here was they were intentially presenting a "B grade" product, and it was done with a wink and a nod and a touch of Troma-Vision, but TNA was mostly presenting shit and oblivious to how shit it actually was. Admittedly, my initial gripe with it was how much it was similar to Lucha Underground, then it started growing on me because it was striking me more like a parody than a rip-off (unlike the Wyatts/New Day nonsense). |
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07-03-2017, 08:35 PM | #14 |
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Right, but is that not a matter of opinion? How does he know that KIRA or any other poster doesn't really enjoy (insert wtf you want here).
Is it simply not a matter of perception, which is in the eye of the beholder? |
07-03-2017, 08:45 PM | #15 | |
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It seems much more likely that anyone heaping that much praise on Jinder is fucking around than that they ACTUALLY think he's the second coming of Jesus Christ. |
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07-03-2017, 08:36 PM | #16 |
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I'm not privy to the Jinder thread, but yes some are enjoying him in the same annoying ironic fashion as a hipster in skinny jeans and nerd glasses drinking a Papst. They're allowed. It's not hurting anything.
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07-03-2017, 08:36 PM | #17 | |
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Read this. Over and over. This. Is. It. Me and Frankie are now BFF's 4 Lyfe. /NWO music |
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07-04-2017, 02:44 AM | #18 |
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07-04-2017, 04:17 PM | #19 |
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07-03-2017, 08:55 PM | #20 |
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Agree with up to the extent that it's mainly just something you can block out. It doesn't mean certain trends aren't annoying or that no damage can be done by having fans with no genuine emotionally investment in what you are pimping.
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07-03-2017, 08:36 PM | #21 |
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I think when people "like" something ironically they show it by just fucking around on message board. They generally don't actually give money or anything to WWE for things they like ironically. So I'd lean toward it not being that much of a problem.
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07-03-2017, 08:50 PM | #22 | ||
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That's it. I said it in the original thread, but ironic fandom has a detached element to it, which is harder to make money off. It's really that simple. |
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07-03-2017, 08:42 PM | #23 |
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Yeah, and you are allowed to like it. Just like some hipsters genuinely like things un-ironically, but then there are others who like it ironically......
Everyone is unique and allowed their own opinion/viewpoints...... |
07-03-2017, 08:51 PM | #24 |
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Jinder is getting the push that THE RYBACK should have gotten. But Jinder will get all them Rupees for the WWE so thats why they push him. But if him being champ pisses people off im all for it.
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07-03-2017, 08:53 PM | #25 |
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Can you imagine if THE RYBACK was brown??? Fuck.
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07-03-2017, 08:54 PM | #26 |
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07-03-2017, 08:54 PM | #27 |
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Didn't you leave because you didn't like other people's opinions?
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07-03-2017, 08:56 PM | #28 |
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07-03-2017, 08:59 PM | #29 |
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The trifecta for me is Alexa Bliss is the best women's wrestler in the WWE today, The Usos are amazing promos and Jinder Mahal is a great champion. If you say each into a mirror, a picture of Val Venis Photoshopped with all the championships will appear and you will never be able to see your face again.
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07-04-2017, 06:32 AM | #30 | |
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07-04-2017, 08:41 AM | #31 |
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07-03-2017, 09:07 PM | #32 |
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I like this relatively new Noid. I remember a time where it seemed like he thought everyone on the roster deserved a push.
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07-04-2017, 01:35 AM | #33 |
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Thanks, man. I came from a very naive place with wrestling. Eventually I became more of a mark for the business side of things and the philosophy of what does and doesn't work, and now I feel a lot more balanced and realistic. A little cynical? Eh, maybe. If something is great, I'll give it credit though. I'm just not going to raise bad to mediocre and mediocre to good.
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07-03-2017, 09:58 PM | #34 |
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But you did say it. I just made THE LETTERS BIG LIKE THIS. Anyhoo, you saying you cancelled your sub is exactly what SHOULD happen if you hold the opinion you do. After all, your opinion of what they have become is past the point of wanting to pay for their entertainment. But hey, opinions are all bullshit. I only questioned why (being sensationalist or not) anyone couldn't hold the opinion that Kira (jokingly) posted and that be "ok". |
07-04-2017, 01:39 AM | #35 | |
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It's not the biggest problem with wrestling, and problems with wrestling may not be considered big compared to disease epidemics and such. But to be it is a problem with wrestling being taken seriously again and being able to make money. Is it a "BIG" problem or a "big" problem? That I'm open to discussion about. KIRA can hold whatever position KIRA wants to. I was just responding to KIRA's posts on the matter, like someone might respond to #fan talking about Fandango. KIRA and I cleared it up earlier. |
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07-03-2017, 09:59 PM | #36 |
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Totes not giving you a red dot either.... because online forum rep is such opinionated bullshit
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07-03-2017, 11:39 PM | #37 |
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Is this thread really a thing? Aren't we all trolling around as 20, 30 some year olds in some way or another?
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07-04-2017, 12:08 AM | #38 |
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Curtis Axel is Better than Perfect.
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07-04-2017, 01:03 AM | #39 |
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Simply Ironic Fan
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07-04-2017, 02:34 AM | #40 |
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<-- I...Ronic.
Get it? I prefer being 'RaginRonic' though. XB |