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Old 01-26-2017, 08:05 PM   #31841
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Am I wrong?

Pretty sure I just voice it more. You pretty much said/implied what I felt when discussing the forgettable nature of the last WrestleMania main event.
I think people expect too much positivity from a guy named #1 WWF fan. Maybe you and Cynick should change names.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:13 PM   #31842
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... Holy shit... I just now realized the irony of that. Mind blown.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:28 PM   #31843
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Something about Lesnar-Goldberg main eventing doesn't do it for me. I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's the fact that it's the rematch of a squash. Maybe their first WrestleMania match is still in the back of my mind and this could be a similar situation. It might be the best option sadly though.

Reigns vs Lesnar had potential but it ended up basically being a heel vs heel match. Although the match was booked pretty perfectly for Reigns to get over as a face until the end.
I can see that. It still has aura to me though. They are two legitimate stars. And there's a story there that makes sense regardless of who goes over.

With Reigns Lesnar, I feel two things hurt it. Number 1, Brock at that point was pretty much a face. He was over as fuck and getting face pops since August the year before. Two is that Reigns was being completely rejected by the crowd. The way the match was though was perfect.

Reigns looked good, even though I personally didn't care for the smiling stuff, and Lesnar maintained his monster terminator gimmick while also giving Reigns some shine.

It would've been better had Reigns actually gotten the big win and the run of beating Lesnar. If they were dead set on Rollins cashing in, have Lesnar go ape shit on Reigns, or have Rollins sneak in during the celebration and go that route.

But still, the felt like a pretty big main event. I will admit Taker Reigns has a big fight feel. Big dog trying to claim the yard. Makes sense, only if Reigns goes over though. Taker doesn't need the win, but Roman does.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:32 PM   #31844
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Disagree since he was generating a lot of outside press and "YES" stuff becoming big in the mainstream.
We definitely have different definitions of "big mainstream star". Bryan was never a household name.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:35 PM   #31845
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Until he is an internet meme he is not a big mainstream star
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:37 PM   #31846
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The Yes chants were everywhere for a good long time.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:37 PM   #31847
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True, even a crowd of 40k will look HUGE on tv compared to normal crowd...I remember when RAW was at Rogers Center in Toronto (site of WM 6 and WM 18) and crowd looked massive despite not being a sell-out. Same for WCW Nitro at Astrodome and Georgia Dome.

I think SummerSlam could and should be held in a 30-40k outdoor stadium to be honest. Lots of soccer stadiums in the U.S. have that capacity, StubHub Center in L.A. and Sporting KC Stadium both come to mind.





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Old 01-26-2017, 08:39 PM   #31848
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Omega says he will likely sign with New Japan in Feb and will not be at the Royal Rumble ppv. Says do not expect him to show up and be disappointed. He is a known liar, though. So, who knows?
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:40 PM   #31849
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Cass is way more ready than Corbin atm. But it comes down to what shows they are on i guess.
I'm sorry but you saying that Bryan wasn't a star in the eyes of wrestling fans and then proceeding to say that Big Cass is ready to be a main event star is just the most ignorant and flat out stupid thing I've seen from someone who isn't called CyNick around here.

Bryan wasn't a "mainstream" star like the Rock or Cena, but he was damn well a star to the majority of wrestling fans. Kids, adults, marks, smarks, they all loved the guy. He was every bit on the level of an HBK, Triple H, or Bret Hart when at his peak and to say otherwise is just laughable.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:48 PM   #31850
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We definitely have different definitions of "big mainstream star". Bryan was never a household name.
In all fairness your definition of mainstream star means that literally no wrestlers outside of the Rock, Hogan, and maybe Andre the Giant were ever mainstream stars then. Household names are people who the vast majority of the general populace can identify without any background information given. I'd argue that many modern day pop stars and tv/movie stars don't even meet that requirement. Like, Michael Jackson is a household name, but Justin Bieber? Not so much. That doesn't mean Bieber isn't a superstar, but he's nowhere near as well known as Jackson.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:54 PM   #31851
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Omega says he will likely sign with New Japan in Feb and will not be at the Royal Rumble ppv. Says do not expect him to show up and be disappointed. He is a known liar, though. So, who knows?
Even if he were to show up at the Rumble, it would be as just some random fan at ringside since his NJPW contract doesn't end till days later. WWE would be opening themselves to a potential big lawsuit if it got find out they were in serious talks or he made a handshake deal with them.

They were already sued once before in recent years by TNA because of similar issues and think it got settled by the WWE.
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The Yes chants were everywhere for a good long time.
If you polled the people doing it, I'm willing to bet 95% of them wouldn't know the origin.
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Seems like Tugboat's health recently took a turn for the worst according to Bushwhacker Luke.

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Old 01-26-2017, 09:39 PM   #31854
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The Yes chants were everywhere for a good long time.
Seem like I remember hearing about it happening at some other sporting event maybe two times.....

Also, it was not an internet meme
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:40 PM   #31855
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In all fairness your definition of mainstream star means that literally no wrestlers outside of the Rock, Hogan, and maybe Andre the Giant were ever mainstream stars then. Household names are people who the vast majority of the general populace can identify without any background information given. I'd argue that many modern day pop stars and tv/movie stars don't even meet that requirement. Like, Michael Jackson is a household name, but Justin Bieber? Not so much. That doesn't mean Bieber isn't a superstar, but he's nowhere near as well known as Jackson.
Pretty sure most people know who Justin Bieber is but that's beside the point. My definition of "mainstream star" is not THAT high. I also don't think you need to be a mainstream star to be worth a shit. I don't think Goldberg is a mainstream star but he's a big enough deal to possibly bring that "big fight feel" a WrestleMania main event should have. I was just responding to the idea that Bryan was a mainstream star. I think you'd have to bring the standards pretty low to include him. Punk was closer to being a mainstream star.
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:42 PM   #31856
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If you polled the people doing it, I'm willing to bet 95% of them wouldn't know the origin.
Sure they would. "When Harry Met Sally".
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Seem like I remember hearing about it happening at some other sporting event maybe two times.....

Also, it was not an internet meme
I remember Fandangoing happening at other sporting events a couple times. Fandango was not a superstar because of it though. (Despite the fact that he should be a superstar for other reasons. Fuck WWE.)
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Still find it fascinating at how fast WWE managed to torpedo Fandangoing as a popular thing within 2 weeks or so.

Started as just a random thing done because the crowd was really bored during a RAW After Mania show. Managed to spread in popularity outside of wrestling as a new craze. Within a week or two after the WWE gets their hands on it, the whole thing dies off very quickly.

Its such a goofy thing to do but somehow WWE's associated stink managed to make it no longer fun to do.
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WWE came off like an old guy who accidentally does something that people find funny or cool and then when he realizes it, he's like "You youngsters like that!?" and then starts doing it on purpose and it's awkward as fuck.

That's the exact feeling I had as soon as Jerry Lawler came out on Raw like "You guys hear about this Fandangoing craze!?"
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Still find it fascinating at how fast WWE managed to torpedo Fandangoing as a popular thing within 2 weeks or so.

Started as just a random thing done because the crowd was really bored during a RAW After Mania show. Managed to spread in popularity outside of wrestling as a new craze. Within a week or two after the WWE gets their hands on it, the whole thing dies off very quickly.

Its such a goofy thing to do but somehow WWE's associated stink managed to make it no longer fun to do.
Funny how people who look so fondly at that gimmick fail to realize it was a joke and was never going to be anything more than a short lived comedy spot. What was the big payoff with Fandangoing? Do you think it was going to become a new dance craze that swept the nation?
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Nothing more than just something fun and goofy to do at events. Believe it was already being done at a few sporting events as a victory celebration prior to the WWE trying to claim it as their own.

Any real payoff would have been the WWE doing its best to capitalize on it as a potential start for making Fandango into a bigger star than he ended up becoming afterwards. Doesn't even need to be in the main event or mega star tier in order to be considered as a success.
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The problem with Goldberg/Lesnar to me is that the story was "How will Brock react after being embarrassed?" Well it's literally no different than any other Brock appearance. To sell this, Brock needed to be an out of his mind, urgent, uncontrollable killer. Nastier than ever.

Instead, we're getting the slow paced beatdowns, staredowns, etc.

The 2015 suspension angle with Rollins after WM31 was good stuff, and that's the kind of segment that belonged the night after Survivor Series to sell how Brock had completely snapped.

In short, the picture doesn't match the story here.
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Pretty sure most people know who Justin Bieber is but that's beside the point. My definition of "mainstream star" is not THAT high. I also don't think you need to be a mainstream star to be worth a shit. I don't think Goldberg is a mainstream star but he's a big enough deal to possibly bring that "big fight feel" a WrestleMania main event should have. I was just responding to the idea that Bryan was a mainstream star. I think you'd have to bring the standards pretty low to include him. Punk was closer to being a mainstream star.
I think if you asked most people over 40 they'd barely know Bieber's name, and people outside the U.S. and Canada even more so. That said maybe an Ed Sheeran or something would have been a better choice. Meh.

Anyway, I'd agree with Bryan not being mainstream, but that applies to most guys. I'd put Bryan in the same spot as Triple H in terms of star power, at least before the retirement. Punk got a tad bit higher, but overall I think both men got cut short. I honestly believe given time both could have reached much farther.
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Also looking like they are planting seeds for the AJ/Shane feud, since AJ has spoke about how Shane is against him as Champion.

Styles defends in the Chamber, lasts the final 3 with Orton and Wyatt who beat him down with a few hope spots mixed in. Orton/Wyatt agreed pre-match to take out the field first, then fight, but immediately after the Abigail/RKO spot, Bray Abigails Orton to eliminate him. Then Wyatt eliminates Styles for the belt.

Orton's hot, earns match at Mania against his former leader.

Styles, on the transition to becoming a full-fledged babyface, calls bullshit on the Chamber and the way he was treated by management. Sets up a street fight with Shane.
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Also feel like Samoa Joe is going to screw over Cena on Sunday. I'm sure it's been posted before so don't wanna take credit. Feel like Vito may have. Anyway, Cena vs. Joe has money all over it. Joe is one of the last true heels around, alongside Miz.

Add Taker/Roman for the Universal, Jericho/Owens, and HHH/Rollins
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Pretty sure most people know who Justin Bieber is but that's beside the point. My definition of "mainstream star" is not THAT high. I also don't think you need to be a mainstream star to be worth a shit. I don't think Goldberg is a mainstream star but he's a big enough deal to possibly bring that "big fight feel" a WrestleMania main event should have. I was just responding to the idea that Bryan was a mainstream star. I think you'd have to bring the standards pretty low to include him. Punk was closer to being a mainstream star.
Don't worry man. Logic doesn't always work with everyone. Thought I think Bryan could've been a "mainstream" star (or at least bigger than he was) IF WWE hadn't fucked it up.
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Without even getting into whether or not Bryan, Batistia and/or Orton were huge stars who brought a "this is a huge deal" feel like Rock/Cena did... he'd already won the title. That "moment" even happened on a PPV a few months before. So even from that aspect it's kinda overrated.
What other WrestleMania's are on Rock/Cena level?
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Nothing more than just something fun and goofy to do at events. Believe it was already being done at a few sporting events as a victory celebration prior to the WWE trying to claim it as their own.

Any real payoff would have been the WWE doing its best to capitalize on it as a potential start for making Fandango into a bigger star than he ended up becoming afterwards. Doesn't even need to be in the main event or mega star tier in order to be considered as a success.
It didn't help that Fandango got concussed a month after.

The way the WWE could have kept Fandangoing "Hot" would be to have Fandango yell at the crowd and tell them to stop, etc.
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What other WrestleMania's are on Rock/Cena level?
Recently? Not many. The lack of any real stars being produced makes it tough.
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I got 24/25.

I was stumped on 20.

I read up on the PPV and I have absolutely no recollection of that PPV.

It did happen around the time when I was really not interested in the product and was so close to not watching WWE TV again, so that's probably why I can't remember it.
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Recently? Not many. The lack of any real stars being produced makes it tough.
No I mean out of every WrestleMania what others are on that level?
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Old 01-27-2017, 11:20 AM   #31875
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Pretty much any of the Hogan, Austin, Rock ones. And a few of the Cena ones. Basically the ones that had huge stars in it. I'd even say Batista vs HHH was worthy at the time because it actually seemed like it would be the birth of a "face of the company" and not just a main event that is interchangeable with the main event of any other PPV.
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Pretty much any of the Hogan, Austin, Rock ones. And a few of the Cena ones. Basically the ones that had huge stars in it. I'd even say Batista vs HHH was worthy at the time because it actually seemed like it would be the birth of a "face of the company" and not just a main event that is interchangeable with the main event of any other PPV.
So the 6 years between that match and Cena/Rock were all duds to then right?
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Between Batista vs HHH and Cena vs Rock?
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Yeah, and the 3 years before Batista vs HHH.
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No. I said "and a few of the Cena ones".
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