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Old 11-06-2017, 09:26 PM   #81
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Feel like Miz could become this generation's Chris Jericho over time
Could argue he already is at least in regards to being a very reliable star for the midcard whenever needed by the WWE like Jericho was for the WWE. Only big negative for that comparison is Jericho was way better in terms of in-ring skills.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:27 PM   #82
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Jericho had a reputation, right, wrong or otherwise, for being a legit guy that had cut his teeth all over the world. He was charismatic as hell, the hottest prospect in the business at the time (go back and hear what Meltzer was saying about the guy), and was seen as an all-rounder. Miz is a good promo in a sea of bad promos.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:28 PM   #83
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Miz has been with the WWE for 13 years now and is still pretty bad in the ring.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:30 PM   #84
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Kofi Kingston is coming up to 10 years on the main roster too. Dolph Ziggler has been popping in and out for 12.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:30 PM   #85
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Was Jericho where he is now in 1999? Nope, he was just really good on the mic...give Miz time and he might surpass Y2J
Miz seems horrible in the ring tbh... hate all his matches and feel like I just stop paying attention

Really good on "the mic" but seems like one of the most overrated people in WWE due to how much ppl "rave about him" imo
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:33 PM   #86
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Hawkins and Ryder have been main roster for 10 years now. There's no excuse for how bad Ryder still is, haha.
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Hawkins and Ryder have been main roster for 10 years now. There's no excuse for how bad Ryder still is, haha.
Remind me again which of them is on a 100 and something losing streak?
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Remind me again which of them is on a 100 and something losing streak?
Hawkins. Much better than Ryder in the ring, but somehow even blander as a personality.
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They decided to "push" Ryder (you could argue that the intention really wasn't there) about five years after he had any sort of relevance. This company can be so fucking weird.
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Hawkins. Much better than Ryder in the ring, but somehow even blander as a personality.
Say what you will, but Ryder has been far and away the better and more successful of the two. It's not his fault Vince can't remember how to build new stars anymore.
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Tye Dillinger first appeared on WWE TV almost a decade ago too. He's been doing "The Perfect 10" gimmick for two years now.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:42 PM   #93
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Say what you will, but Ryder has been far and away the better and more successful of the two. It's not his fault Vince can't remember how to build new stars anymore.
Better how? More successful? Definitely. But they tried with Ryder, perhaps not in the way they should have, but they did try. He can't talk, he can't act (which shouldn't be a requisite) and the dude can barely fucking wrestle. I used to have the time stamp in my head, but go and watch the Ladder Match at WrestleMania 32 and watch him walk into Cody's spinning ladder. He's a fucking lemming.

If Heyman had gotten his hands on a Zack Ryder in a hypothetical universe, he'd have realized that Ryder sucks in the ring, sucks in any sort of promo environment where he's supposed to be taken seriously and he'd have hidden those deficits about as well as anybody could while Ryder used the internet to get himself over. Like Heyman fooled Meltzer with Sabu, Ryder would be seen as the best worker in the business until he took a Vince paycheck and people saw that he sucked. But there is a universe where Ryder is significant. It's not this one though.
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They decided to "push" Ryder (you could argue that the intention really wasn't there) about five years after he had any sort of relevance. This company can be so fucking weird.
Seemed like it wasn't and Ryder getting people to sign a petition is the only reason he got to win the United States Championship.

When Vince couldn't understand that he actually had crowd appeal he was forced to randomly drop it 16 days later.

Fast forward a few years. He is a surprise entry in the IC ladder match and wins, only to lose it to Miz the next night on RAW, because Vince doesn't "get" him again.

Call me insane, but he DEFINITELY deserves a main event run.
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They really did mess with the crowd volume for this show. Other reports for this show had the crowd booing a lot at Sasha winning and Bayley not getting picked for Team RAW.

Same for the booing that happened but wasn't audible when Jordan was picked for Team RAW.
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Also, if Zack's such a horrible promo, why the fuck did they let him have his own Internet reality show, complete with a custom Internet Championship?

I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time or anything but he's better than you give him credit for, Noid. It also kinda debunks your theory that he can't act. His show would never have lasted as long as it did if that was true.
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Also, if Zack's such a horrible promo, why the fuck did they let him have his own Internet reality show, complete with a custom Internet Championship?
Zack did that all by himself
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Seemed like it wasn't and Ryder getting people to sign a petition is the only reason he got to win the United States Championship.

When Vince couldn't understand that he actually had crowd appeal he was forced to randomly drop it 16 days later.

Fast forward a few years. He is a surprise entry in the IC ladder match and wins, only to lose it to Miz the next night on RAW, because Vince doesn't "get" him again.

Call me insane, but he DEFINITELY deserves a main event run.
Vince would not cater to a petition, haha. I'm sure there was one, but Vince did a bit of smark service to see how things would go. He got the belt, they put him out there, and he blew his fucking promo. He got 29 days with the US Title actually and it was nothing.

Fast forward a few years and you get exactly my point. Ryder hasn't meant anything in years, he gets inserted into a clusterfuck match that really could have just been Zayn vs. Owens and the boys beg Vince to let him win the match because they're marks these days or whatever. The plan was never to go with him and it's a perfect demontrastion of why the IC Title means NOTHING.

How can you say he definitely deserves a main event run seriously? By what criteria? I mean, who "deserves" a main event run? Participation awards are why a lot is meaningless these days. But Ryder hasn't even proven himself good enough to handle a mid-card run let alone a main event run.
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God damnit, Cole. Just admit it. Braun Strowman is superhuman and nothing can stop him.

Not ambulance crashes, not a ring imploding, not a dozen chairs falling from the ceiling, not being scooped inside a garbage truck, NOTHING.

Did I miss anything?
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Zack did that all by himself
Yeah that was something he did on his own and in a way proved to the WWE how valuable social media can be for the company. His reward was a very brief US title run and some irrational hatred by Vince. All of WWE's success and focus on social media can be traced back to Ryder and his Youtube show.

Only reason he started the show was as a last ditch effort to save his career in the WWE when he felt he was a lot closer to getting released.
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Also, if Zack's such a horrible promo, why the fuck did they let him have his own Internet reality show, complete with a custom Internet Championship?

I'm not saying he's the greatest of all time or anything but he's better than you give him credit for, Noid. It also kinda debunks your theory that he can't act. His show would never have lasted as long as it did if that was true.
Zack did that himself. There were a few laughs in the early Z! whatever thing he was doing, but nothing substantive. Can you actually identify a good Zack Ryder promo?

Go watch that stuff with Kane again and then come back and tell me the guy can act.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:55 PM   #105
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Yeah that was something he did on his own and in a way proved to the WWE how valuable social media can be for the company. His reward was a very brief US title run and some irrational hatred by Vince.

Only reason he started the show was as a last ditch effort to save his career in the WWE when he felt he was a lot closer to getting released.
He felt like he was closer to getting released because he fucking sucked.

Let's make a list of great Zack Ryder matches. I'll start:

vs. Christian on ECW that once
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:56 PM   #106
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More like "The following contest is scheduled for multiple casualties".
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:56 PM   #107
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Christian is a fucking miracle worker and deserves to go into the Hall of Fame for that effort alone. I'll be honest, it conned me for years into thinking that Zack Ryder could be good.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:57 PM   #108
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Zack did that all by himself
Without Vince sanctioning it beforehand? And again, if he's so terrible at promos and acting, why did they allow his show to continue for so long after licensing the rights to it?

Sounds like the textbook definition of Vince seeing main event potential in someone and stubbornly refusing to even entertain the notion of letting them have a decent run of either mid-card or main event status.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:00 PM   #109
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Without Vince sanctioning it beforehand? And again, if he's so terrible at promos and acting, why did they allow his show to continue for so long after licensing the rights to it?
If memory serves, after they moved it to the WWE YouTube account it quickly died.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:01 PM   #110
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Haha, yes, that's why there was heat on him for it. Heath Slater and Cesaro currently host YouTube shows for WWE according to their Wikipedia page, so are they automatically good promos too? Your logic is faulty. I can pinpoint examples of shitty Ryder promos and segments, and your defense for him is "but he must be good because he had an internet shit he started himself."

Vince didn't like someone getting over with the smarks on their own accord. It also probably frustrated that the guy they flocked behind fucking sucks and when they tried to push him it fucking sucked because he actually can't do anything and contrary to popular belief a lot of "smart fans" are fucking morons.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:04 PM   #111
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If memory serves, after they moved it to the WWE YouTube account it quickly died.
Never mind..... lasted 50 episodes on his own YouTube, and then another 50 on the WWE YouTube.......
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:05 PM   #112
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That you thought it died quickly says enough.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:07 PM   #113
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I struggle to think of people in the company who suck worse than Ryder. Titus O'Neil I'll give you.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:07 PM   #114
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Still can't believe WWE fed Balor to Kane twice just to build him up for a Braun feud that won't help Braun when a few jobbers or lower level stars would have been a lot more easier.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:08 PM   #115
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I think there's more behind it than that. There's something petty and passive aggressive about it.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:09 PM   #116
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Wouldn't surprise me if Balor is the first guy out at Survivor Series.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:09 PM   #117
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:10 PM   #118
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But it also wouldn't surprise me if Vince seriously believes that "20 Years of Kane" is the best story they have.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:11 PM   #119
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Good call. Viktor is a lot better in the ring than Ryder though. I'll give you a wash with Konnor and the promo work though. Got no clue how Konnor has kept a job to be honest. Dude and his wife walked out on the company years back and now he's been given a cozy job despite never really showing much of anything. I'm impressed as fuck with it, to be honest.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:12 PM   #120
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Why is it when Raw is across the pond they mail it in the entire episode?
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